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Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Please lay off mah nigga ligga. he brings up a valid point: forcing the mamus into planes and parachuting them back into syria is strange.

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Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


BrienneGetsHanged posted:

Please lay off mah nigga ligga. he brings up a valid point: forcing the mamus into planes and parachuting them back into syria is strange.

it is indeed strange. Which is why you should stuff them into missles and sell the missles to England for a low price.

Not only would you get rid of them but you will also give Westminister a nice stiffy when they use those missles to send those refugees back to their familes.

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Jesus loving Christ finpol is one-for-one what's being talked about in Finland right now.

Also:

I just loving screenshotted that at 1am. The parliament is meeting about this poo poo at one loving am. WTF is happenign AAAAAAAA let me off this ride Mr Bones!

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot

Oldsmobile posted:

Jesus loving Christ finpol is one-for-one what's being talked about in Finland right now.

Also:

I just loving screenshotted that at 1am. The parliament is meeting about this poo poo at one loving am. WTF is happenign AAAAAAAA let me off this ride Mr Bones!

Torkkupeitot mukaan.

Emetic Hustler
May 5, 2009

Finland has a long tradition of all night negotiations. Explains the sorry state of the country when decisions are made sleep-deprived and everyone wants to go home. Stupid.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Emetic Hustler posted:

Finland has a long tradition of all night negotiations. Explains the sorry state of the country when decisions are made sleep-deprived and everyone wants to go home. Stupid.

Preety sure that can all be settled with a cup of coffee.

And gin.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Look mates, everybody knows that all important decisions should be taken only when all involved are either dead tired, hungover as all gently caress or have at least one bottle of kossu in them.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011
I can just imagine Stubb taking a few lines of coke before walking into a negotiation room.

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



SnowblindFatal posted:

I can just imagine Stubb taking a few lines of coke before walking into a negotiation room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMgUB89huY

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

So basically Sipilä was called out as being fascist in Hesari today:

quote:

Sanavalinnat kielivät suhtautumisesta sivistykseen
MIELIPIDE 9.12.2015 2:00
Helsingin Sanomat

Pääministeri Juha Sipilä (kesk) ja valtiovarainministeri Alexander Stubb (kok) ovat päässeet liian helpolla viimeaikaisista koulutukseen ja sivistykseen liittyneistä kommenteistaan.

Puheet ”kaiken maailman dosenteista” ja kolmen kuukauden kesälomista professorin uralle hakeutumisen motiivina ovat ehkä nousseet heidän huulilleen ennalta ajattelematta. Ne kuitenkin kertovat esittäjiensä arvomaailmasta ja asenteista enemmän kuin ehkä haluamme uskoa.

Ministerien lausumissa ei ole kyse vain koulutukseen kohdistettavien leikkausten puolustelusta. Niistä heijastuvat myös laajemmin sivistyksen ja jopa demokratian perusteiden asenteet. Demokratiaan kuuluu elimellisesti kriittinen ja moniääninen keskustelu. Johtajat ovat demokratiassa kansan edustajia ja palvelijoita. Siksi heidän tulisi kestää rankkaa arvostelua ja jopa epäasiallista kritiikkiä.

Voidaan kysyä, miksi juuri dosentit joutuivat Sipilän purkauksen maalitauluksi. Ehkä kysymys ei ollut sattumasta. Dosentit ovat ainakin ”hyviä vihollisia”, joiden on vaikea puolustautua yhdessä. Dosentit edustavat korkeinta akateemista sivistystä ja huomattavaa erityisosaamista omalla alallaan.

Ehkä syynä Sipilän reaktioon oli se, että akateeminen sivistyneistö, johon dosentit kuuluvat, on liki ainoa ryhmä, josta hallituksen politiikkaan enää uskalletaan suunnata terävää arvostelua.

Sipilän lausuman ongelmallisuutta voi havainnollistaa myös pohtimalla, mitä olisi tapahtunut, jos vaarattomien dosenttien sijasta kritiikin kohteeksi olisi joutunut jokin muu (”kaiken maailman”) ammatillinen, poliittinen, etninen tai kielellinen ryhmä.

Yksittäisiltä ylilyönneiltä kuulostavat lausunnot heijastavat itse asiassa vakavaa demokraattisen poliittisen järjestelmän arvojen vastaista ajattelua. Tähän ajatteluun kuuluu tieteen ja siihen liittyen rationaalisen ajattelun vastainen lähestymistapa. Tämä on tullut esille monien viime vuosina väkisin – vastoin asiantuntijoiden näkemyksiä – ajettujen lainsäädännöllisten uudistusten valmistelussa.

Kuten Stubb on toistuvasti todennut, päätöksentekijöiden katseen on oltava tulevaisuudessa. Menneiden kaiveleminen on turhaa, samoin syyllisten etsiminen. Tähän kohtaan kiteytyy vakava ajatteluvirhe. Jos emme tunne asioiden taustoja ja tutki ilmiöiden syitä, emme voi etsiä niihin rationaalisia korjauskeinoja. Syiden pohdinnan pitäisi olla kaiken yhteiskuntapolitiikan lähtökohta. Se estäisi usein yhden ainoan ratkaisumallin ajamisen ”yhteisen edun” nimissä ainoana vaihtoehtona.

Myös se, ketkä ovat mahdollisesti vastuussa tehdyistä ratkaisuista, on demokratiassa olennainen kysymys. Valta ja vastuu ovat sidoksissa toisiinsa. Vastuukysymysten pohdinnan kautta voimme ainakin torjua poliitikkojen rakastaman argumentin, jonka mukaan me kaikki olemme yhtä lailla syyllisiä – esimerkiksi talouden ahdinkoon.

Käynnissä näyttää nyt valitettavasti olevan voimakkain tieteen, tutkimuksen ja tieteellisen sivistyksen vastainen kampanja sitten maailmansotien välisen ajan.

Olisi hyvä olla selvillä, missä mennään ja millaisiin yhteiskunnallisiin ja ideologisiin konteksteihin tällainen politiikka on menneinä vuosikymmeninä liittynyt.

Jukka Kekkonen

oikeushistorian ja roomalaisen oikeuden professori

Helsingin yliopisto

http://www.hs.fi/mielipide/a1449548734751?jako=cca3c437506efc4ab91c67c2254bd817&ref=tw-share

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



Onneksi meillä on roomalaisen oikeuden dosentteja huutelemassa natseista

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot

SnowblindFatal posted:

I can just imagine Stubb taking a few lines of coke before walking into a negotiation room.

He doesn't need any stimulants for an allnighter since he will come out of his coffin only after the sun has gone down.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Cerebral Bore posted:

Look mates, everybody knows that all important decisions should be taken only when all involved are either dead tired, hungover as all gently caress or have at least one bottle of kossu in them.

But don't you understand, the economy will melt down tomorrow if we don't make a decision tonight tomorrow on Saturday!

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot

Antti posted:

But don't you understand, the economy will melt down tomorrow if we don't make a decision tonight tomorrow on Saturday!

You have to make tough decisions...

...in order to cancel them later on.

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE

Oldsmobile posted:

So basically Sipilä was called out as being fascist in Hesari today:

Errr, I'm not seeing it. I do see him criticise the government for dictating their views on everyone else, but that's just Sipilä trying to channel Kekkonen. With a hint of Bush Jr.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

ei sitä tuossa tekstissä fasistiksi kutsuttu

ja vaikka sinä sipilää fasistiksi kutsutkin ei se sitä ole. se on jäsen pedokultissa ja puheenjohtajana suomen suurimmassa rikollisjärjestössä

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Hogge Wild posted:

ei sitä tuossa tekstissä fasistiksi kutsuttu

ja vaikka sinä sipilää fasistiksi kutsutkin ei se sitä ole. se on jäsen pedokultissa ja puheenjohtajana suomen suurimmassa rikollisjärjestössä

You mean Seppo Kolehmainen.

Geriatric Pirate
Apr 25, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

quote:

Voidaan kysyä, miksi juuri dosentit joutuivat Sipilän purkauksen maalitauluksi. Ehkä kysymys ei ollut sattumasta. Dosentit ovat ainakin ”hyviä vihollisia”, joiden on vaikea puolustautua yhdessä. Dosentit edustavat korkeinta akateemista sivistystä ja huomattavaa erityisosaamista omalla alallaan.

Patrocclesiastes
Apr 30, 2009

If we cant get nuclear fire to come here, I wish our leftist at least managed to start some sort of violent revolt.

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Hogge Wild posted:

ei sitä tuossa tekstissä fasistiksi kutsuttu

ja vaikka sinä sipilää fasistiksi kutsutkin ei se sitä ole. se on jäsen pedokultissa ja puheenjohtajana suomen suurimmassa rikollisjärjestössä

You're right. I jumped to conclusions and no, calling Sipilä a fascist would not be accurate either.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Hey spergaushuutelijat last page, the #1 D&D argument against doing anything about the immigration crisis is ylimielinen näsäviisastelu sillä, että denying anyone an European residense permint (to the country of their choosing of course), means, basically, teleporting them to an active war zone where they will hence forth all die. It is also louldy claimed they "come from a war zone" when they actually come from camps and through two dozen safe countries and Syrians make a minority of the comers anyway. (Then one must call everyone with a different view stupid, or perhaps evil, että keskustelun taso pysyy hyvänä.)

This isn't true, and it isn't exactly my fault people make that argument all the time and it sure as hell ain't irony or humour.

Tiedän kyllä että Rexroom käytti samaa lentokone vertausta mitä itse olen usein käyttänyt, ihan vitsintapaisena. It just happens to be really close an actual argument I've read here dozens of times.

Sad, when here are a bazillion options to handle the rushing masses with a little political will, none of which involve killing anyone.



edit:
Also rooman dosentit ja niiden fassenasset. Taasko se jätkä avautuu?

Ligur fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 9, 2015

Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008
Hey Ligur, I have to share something I've kept buried deep in my heart until now.

I don't normally read your posts. They are spergy, unfunny walls of text which just keep repeating the same tired and irrelevant hyperbole over and over again. There's no point in arguing with you, because you never learn anything. Your next post is not going to be any different from the countless ones that came before.
I'm not going to tell you to stop posting, but maybe you should look into the reasons why you keep doing this, and perhaps find another more constructive way of relieving your anxiety please don't firebomb any VOKs though

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Jyppe posted:

Remember when you said you wouldn't be triggered by the word "literally"?

If not, is it due to fetal alcohol syndrome, too many kicks to the head or just something on the autism spectrum?

srs question, conducting a study on what is the most common cause for posting in this thread.

En yhtään epäile sinun kuvitelleesi olevasi suuri ironiapäällikkö. Juttu kun vain on niin, että moni väitti ihan oikeasti kyseessä olleen ruskeapaitojen ja äärioikeiston suurmarssi, mutta kun ei se oikein ollut. Sinä taas herkuttelit sillä kuinka VOKissa ei irtileikattu päitä. Olisi sattuva supaburn muuten, mutta kun ainakaan minä oikeasti EN ole missään vaiheessa horissut sen suuntaista.

Mutta hatunnosto kun olet jo oppinut haukkumaan eri mieltä olevia ihan tyhmixi ja vammasix.

Ylä-asteella opit sitten uusia keinoja väitellä.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

Herman Merman posted:

Hey Ligur, I have to share something I've kept buried deep in my heart until now.

I don't normally read your posts. They are spergy, unfunny walls of text which just keep repeating the same tired and irrelevant hyperbole over and over again. There's no point in arguing with you, because you never learn anything. Your next post is not going to be any different from the countless ones that came before.
I'm not going to tell you to stop posting, but maybe you should look into the reasons why you keep doing this, and perhaps find another more constructive way of relieving your anxiety please don't firebomb any VOKs though

kukaan ei ole koskaan oppinut mitään dd:ssä

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Hogge Wild posted:

kukaan ei ole koskaan oppinut mitään dd:ssä

On toki. Toki täällä vähemmän kuin muilla foorumeilla, mutta silti. D&D kunnostautuu siinä vaan vähän huonosti, koska halutaan ivata toisia vammaisiksi jotka ovat pahiksia miettimättä muita vaihtoehtoja paitsi hyperpoolina kommunismi ja väärinmiettivien lahtaus.

Mutta ei se AINA niin huonosti mene.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
By the way, nobody ever answered me how much more sossuraha I get if we start deporting more people.

If the answer is 0 then why should I care?

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006
You'll get less, of course. You'll also get less if we take in more people.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011
It's extremely naive to think that the immigrants won't be a huge drain on our budget.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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SnowblindFatal posted:

It's extremely naive to think that the immigrants won't be a huge drain on our budget.

Everybody below the poverty line should just be shot imho.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
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Or maybe just deported back to mongolia if they take it like a champ

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
It's extremely naive to think that any money saved by spending less on refugees would go to help regular people rather than towards financing the next round of tax cuts and sweetheart deals for the people who own Kepu and Kok.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
Yeah, stop all savings of money, just kill your parents, family, the dog and yourself. Testament your belongings to SSS.

doverhog fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 10, 2015

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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doverhog posted:

Yeah, stop all savings of money, just kill your parents, family, the dog and yourself. Testament your belongings to SSS.

Please don't kill your parents. They love you. Thank you.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
That's really naive dude.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Don't kill your dog either, he deserves a better owner.

throw to first DAMN IT
Apr 10, 2007
This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures
http://www.hs.fi/ilta/09122015/a1449634531482

”En tiedä miten minun Irakissa käy, mutta täällä minä kuolen henkisesti”

Valiantman
Jun 25, 2011

Ways to circumvent the Compact #6: Find a dreaming god and affect his dreams so that they become reality. Hey, it's not like it's you who's affecting the world. Blame the other guy for irresponsibly falling asleep.

Valiantman posted:

You're so, so wrong. :(

Attempted arson of an apartment building, 20ish refugee families living inside: http://www.ts.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/820245/Poliisi+SPRn+vastaanottokeskus+yritettiin+sytyttaa+Lammilla
Attempted arson of a refugee center, 114 refugees were sleeping inside: http://www.kouvolansanomat.fi/Onlin...2015219891073/4
Attempted arson of a school. Dozens of the students, including the 14 underage refugees, live there : http://yle.fi/uutiset/turvapaikanhakijoita_majoittavaa_raudaskylan_opistoa_heitettiin_polttopulloilla/8423060

80 evacuated when someone intentionally torched yet another refugee center. Luckily the fire brigade managed to get the fire under control and the refugees can move back in after the smoke is cleared.

Puistokemisti posted:

http://www.hs.fi/ilta/09122015/a1449634531482

”En tiedä miten minun Irakissa käy, mutta täällä minä kuolen henkisesti”

Hyvä ettei fyysisestikin.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011

Friendly Tumour posted:

Everybody below the poverty line should just be shot imho.

Yeah I mean I've just heard arguments about how Finland will actually benefit from all this, and while I don't hold a strong opinion one way or the other (we definitely should help people, but we can't help too many because the world is a bottomless well), I do hope that facts are acknowledged.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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SnowblindFatal posted:

Yeah I mean I've just heard arguments about how Finland will actually benefit from all this, and while I don't hold a strong opinion one way or the other (we definitely should help people, but we can't help too many because the world is a bottomless well), I do hope that facts are acknowledged.

The Farcts are important

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doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
The claims that we will "benefit from all this" are about the long term, and with the caveat that integration is successful.

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