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yo, chitoryu12, if you're still interested in what military forces from history ate, Carla Rahn Phillips has a detailed table of what early 17th century Spanish sailors' nutrition would have been like based on their rations, and it's pretty good, except for a lack of retinol, b2, and vitamin C. (You can easily replicate this yourself, if you're still into that, with chickpeas, whole grain hardtack, and bacalhau.) Fish days are because Catholic, cheese days are because when there's a battle or a storm, no open fires are allowed. Despite the lack of vitamin C, Spanish observers almost never report scurvy. It's not a problem in the Atlantic fleets. According to a contemporary Spanish physician, "Spanish sailors, of all Europeans, have the least propensity to scurvy, which is only seen on voyages to our possessions in the Pacific." It's not a problem in Spain either: some Spanish called scurvy "the Dutch disease" because either only Dutch people got it or because Spaniards only got it once they had spent a long time in Flanders. Phillips thinks those guys would have been eating well enough when they were in Spain, with plenty of citrus fruits, onions, bell peppers, and garlic for every social level, that they could sort of "coast" on reserves from Spain to the New World. There's only one problem here, which is that the treasure fleet and war fleets travel in convoy and they load up with this in mind because it simplifies storage and logistics--so one boat will have all the cheese and one will have a thousand pounds of cider. If you get separated in a storm, better hope you're not the boat with all the vinegar on it and no meat! HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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HEY GAL posted:yo, chitoryu12, if you're still interested in what military forces from history ate, Carla Rahn Phillips has a detailed table of what early 17th century Spanish sailors' nutrition would have been like based on their rations, and it's pretty good, except for a lack of retinol, b2, and vitamin C. Thanks! If you don't mind, I'll copy this quote over to my military food thread so the people there can see it.
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chitoryu12 posted:Thanks! If you don't mind, I'll copy this quote over to my military food thread so the people there can see it.
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For anyone else interested in the thread (where I post photo reviews of military rations and further information on military feeding), head over here!
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Trin Tragula posted:So, if you put a Storch on a runway that was also a giant conveyor belt...
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chitoryu12 posted:For anyone else interested in the thread (where I post photo reviews of military rations and further information on military feeding), head over here! and if you still want to replicate that, don't forget your daily wine
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HEY GAL posted:and if you still want to replicate that, don't forget your daily wine What's the ratio of water to wine I should expect to pour?
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chitoryu12 posted:What's the ratio of water to wine I should expect to pour? Since small amounts of foods like garlic were kept around but not rationed, you can probably put it in your chickpea-and-rice stew. I looked up photos of salt cod and it's...um...shingle-like.
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HEY GAL posted:yo, chitoryu12, if you're still interested in what military forces from history ate, Carla Rahn Phillips has a detailed table of what early 17th century Spanish sailors' nutrition would have been like based on their rations, and it's pretty good, except for a lack of retinol, b2, and vitamin C. Ooh ooh, I have numbers too! From roughly the same era even! According to Admiral Sir Cyprian Bridge's Sea-Power and Other Studies, the Elizabethan sailors circa the Armada got the following rations weekly: 8 pounds beef, 7 pounds biscuit, 9 pounds salted fish, 3/4 pounds cheese, 3/4 pounds butter, 7 gallons beer. No vegetables or fruit. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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HEY GAL posted:four or five to one. Consider a Mexican vintage, the most important wine producer of the 16th century for this empire. I think I'll get my girlfriend to help me make it. She's already set to help me make some 50s and 60s US Navy recipe cards and an authentic D-ration using the actual Hershey recipe from the war, so she'll probably be dying for a chickpea and rice stew. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Ooh ooh, I have numbers too! From roughly the same era even! These kinds of rations were basically unchanged until World War I. This is the Civil War ration for the Union: Per Soldier * 20 oz. of fresh beef, salt beef, or salt pork * 12 oz. of hardtack in camp or garrison or 16 oz. of hardtack at sea, on campaign, or on the march * 1 oz. compressed cube of desiccated mixed vegetables or a 1.5 oz. compressed cube of desiccated potatoes if supplemental foods were unavailable Per 100 rations * 8 qts of beans or peas * 10 lbs of rice or hominy * 10 lbs of green coffee beans or 8 lbs of roasted coffee beans * 10 lbs of sugar * 2 qts of salt * 1 gallon of vinegar
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i'm the superior spanish nutrition also, chitoryu12, look for the most hippyish whole grain poo poo you can find. french army bread (dunno about spanish bread, or spanish biscuit) was ground with the husks on to boost weight without making it cost more tell your girlfriend that new world hispanics still eat the poo poo out of salt cod. i used to live in a dominican neighborhood and it is saltier than you think it is, do not gently caress around with the preparation directions or you will be negatively surprised HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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chitoryu12 posted:These kinds of rations were basically unchanged until World War I. This is the Civil War ration for the Union: Don't forget plenty of blue mass to help digestion (and everything else)! HEY GAL posted:i'm the superior spanish nutrition I'm the superior British naval tradition. Actually I'm the poor spudfucker getting his head bashed in by Cromwell because Jesus told him to.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I'm the superior British naval tradition.
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HEY GAL posted:enjoy your sup-par empire and lack of general relevance, anglo I study the early twentieth century so nuts to Spain. They couldn't even beat those jumped-up mongrel Colonials.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:If I remember correctly, the Japanese actually had a helicopter fitted with depth charge(s) that they used in the anti-submarine role. They were used on the Akitsu Maru (Converted Carrier) Only to Army Carriers, though
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e:double postJobbo_Fett posted:Helicopters would've been a hell of a lot better than blimps... US Navy blimps were incredibly effective in the ASW role So, way, way more effective than the IJA autogyros 
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Nebakenezzer posted:e:double post It's a very low bar when it comes to Japanese experimental aircraft/autogyros. Now, a few Kolibris in 1914 would definitely have turned the tide in favor of Gay Black Wilhelm.
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A pivotal article regarding Air Cavalry was written by General James Gavin entitled "Cavalry, and I don't mean horses" is worth a read if you'd like to see some of the thought process that led to the helicopter tactics in Vietnam. https://sobchak.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/article-cavalry-and-i-dont-mean-horses-by-major-general-james-m-gavin/
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Oh it's written by Gavin, not about...y'know...
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HEY GAL posted:
I grew up eating bacalhao (my mother is Dominican.) it is delicious if you know how to cook it. It's usually served with rice, in different forms. I can call her for recipees if you guys want.
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HEY GAL posted:i'm the superior spanish nutrition How do you eat tomatoes with butter in those few areas where they overlap?
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Fry them in it rather than in olive oil?
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Spacewolf posted:Oh it's written by Gavin, not about...y'know... Any chance someone could explain the Gavin running gag?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Any chance someone could explain the Gavin running gag?
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Ah this gives me an excuse to post one of my favorite industrial accidents: High Pressure Injection Injuries http://www.orthopaedicsone.com/display/Cases/Four+Cases+of+High-Pressure+Injection+Injury+of+the+Hand Machines will gently caress you up
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SlothfulCobra posted:How do you eat tomatoes with butter in those few areas where they overlap? Far more questionable is the Beer/Wine/Vodka map. Large parts of East Germany are supposed to be Vodka country, which is news to most inhabitants. Not quite as sure about Denmark.
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Arquinsiel posted:Basically this and some other internet bullshit that we mock. The dude's site, combatreform.org, is like the less coherent military cousin of timecube.
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ArchangeI posted:Far more questionable is the Beer/Wine/Vodka map. Large parts of East Germany are supposed to be Vodka country, which is news to most inhabitants. Not quite as sure about Denmark. If you want to get picky about it there needs to be a whole "cider europe" section for brittany, Normandy, the West Country, Asturias and Navarre. Also, Spain is in potato europe as well as tomato europe. trend maps suck
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Arquinsiel posted:Basically this and some other internet bullshit that we mock. I think a bit more explanation is in order. 1st Lieutenant Mike Sparks is an incredibly crazy former US Army guy who has a series of incredibly bizarre beliefs about how the military should be run. A lot of them are completely divorced from reality, but he doesn't give two shits about anyone's opinion. He's even convinced himself that important people in the military agree with his ideas and think that he's brilliant, and it's only because the military is rear end-backwards and politically against him that they refuse to improve. For some reason, he's convinced that the M113 APC should be nicknamed the Gavin after General James M. Gavin, likely because he established the APC requirements that led to the creation of the M113. He has an obsession with M113s in general, thinking that they're an incredible multi-use platform that can be used for any and all purposes no matter how far out of reach.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think a bit more explanation is in order.
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Arquinsiel posted:You have robbed them of the joy of discovering all this for themselves Oh please, that only scratches the surface of Sparky's nuttiness. It's like an aperitif before the full-course madness that unfolds on his website.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Oh please, that only scratches the surface of Sparky's nuttiness. It's like an aperitif before the full-course madness that unfolds on his website. Like his preferred method of getting the M113 to the battlefield.
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xthetenth posted:The dude's site, combatreform.org, is like the less coherent military cousin of timecube. That guy was serious? poo poo, I thought those videos were a parody of some other thing.
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Arquinsiel posted:You have robbed them of the joy of discovering all this for themselves knoon113 posted:NEWS FLASH! 
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Don't forget plenty of blue mass to help digestion (and everything else)! I'm the Mater-Tater line.
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chitoryu12 posted:For some reason, he's convinced that the M113 APC should be nicknamed the Gavin after General James M. Gavin, likely because he established the APC requirements that led to the creation of the M113. He has an obsession with M113s in general, thinking that they're an incredible multi-use platform that can be used for any and all purposes no matter how far out of reach. Basically he believes that the incredible capabilities of the trusty ol' M113 are being ignored just because it has no namesake like Bradley or Stryker. So he decided to start calling it Gavin in the hopes that it would catch on. Which of course is a wonderful thing if you want to be an rear end in a top hat in a milhist forum - just drop a casual Gavin reference out of nowhere and watch everyone self-destruct.
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There's a meeting next week in Arras to discuss something that Louis Barthas will propose tomorrow, possibly with a touch of sarcasm. People have been trying to make it happen for the last 35 years. (He does have a peace garden and monument in Peyriac.) https://twitter.com/GrandArras/status/674534974700130304 quote:The next day, December 10, at many places along the front line, the soldiers had to come out of their trenches so as not to drown. The Germans had to do the same. We therefore had the singular spectacle of two enemy armies facing each other without firing a shot edit: after further review it seems they started construction in the summer thanks to pushing the Christmas truce angle (although it is at Neuville-Saint-Vaast, where Barthas said it should be) and should be just about finished by now.  
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:If you want to get picky about it there needs to be a whole "cider europe" section for brittany, Normandy, the West Country, Asturias and Navarre. Also, Spain is in potato europe as well as tomato europe. edit: you want alcohol maps? here are alcohol maps:   
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chitoryu12 posted:. He has an obsession with M113s in general, thinking that they're an incredible multi-use platform that can be used for any and all purposes no matter how far out of reach. Has he suggested converting them to tank destroyers?
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Animal posted:I grew up eating bacalhao (my mother is Dominican.) it is delicious if you know how to cook it. It's usually served with rice, in different forms. I can call her for recipees if you guys want. 
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