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hollylolly posted:I think S3 will for sure explore more of the world and include whatever is happening in Australia in more detail. Unless they Jacob's Ladder it. Which I hope they don't (and doubt they will). As far as Lindelof is concerned, I like him a little more with each interview he does, but "we made a choice and are writing it that way" is a little too reminiscent of "we know where Lost is going we promise!" So color me cautiously optimistic on that statement. As for season 3 I really hope they go somewhere else totally like this season. It's kind of like a anthology-esque treatment. Without replacing characters though. I hope they decide "gently caress Miracle" and the whole group takes off to Australia.
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In the interview where he said the writers know, he also claimed they spent a lot of time discussing how each apparently magical thing could have happened in real life. We can discuss how successful they were, but for the sake of fairness it is also important to mention that: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/damon-lindelof-on-the-leftovers-im-fighting-for-the-life-of-the-show quote:The answer to your question is no. There was no intentionality in the finale of, "We're going to go full-bore magical." The magical thinking aspect of the show is for me, a very interesting conversation because the Departure happened. So the rules that govern this world inherently have to accept that the Departure happened. So if you're talking about a show like "Lost" that is inherently supernatural/magical in its DNA — although we had to do a certain tap dance in the first season of that show and say, "No, no, it's Michael Crichton. Don't worry; the show's not going to get too weird," for a variety of reasons where I wish I could have been more honest at that point, but there's always a game to be played — there's no game to be played, the show is what it is. It's interesting to me that people watch "The Leftovers" and they don't want it to be magical. They want the Departure to have happened and everything else to be entirely grounded in reality. I embrace that presentation. But I also feel like, the rule that we've set for ourselves as storytellers, more or less, is that if 2 percent of the world's population disappeared, 2 percent of the show should be magical, and the other 98 percent should be grounded. That said, the story that was Kevin's primary story, his arc over the entire course of the season, was that he was being haunted by Patti Levin. The question became, for us as writers, is she real or is she a figment of Kevin's imagination? Is he having a psychotic break, as Laurie describes? Is there any truth to this? Is that the actual Patti, or is that Kevin's psyche? We had to decide as writers. It would be bullshit for me to say to you, (idiot voice) "Well, uh, there's different, uh, potential interpretations of that." We know. We have intentionality, but I am not going to say in an interview, "This is what it was." That's really the way that I feel about the show whole cloth. In fact, given how heavily the season ended on the side of magic, I wouldn't be surprised if season 3 (if there is one) starts out by going the opposite direction, having Kevin in a hospital struggling to get back on his feet, Mary having a troubling pregnancy, etc. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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I don't think they'll ever revisit this, but I think someone earlier that Meg's Mom was going to tell her the "Broken Pencil" knock knock joke before she died? That makes sense to me. Not only because of the way that she brings it up in the restaurant, but because of Meg's reaction. We know she's gone to multiple psychics looking for an answer to this question, for this one thing that's going to make everything in her life fall into place and make sense again and then things can get back to normal (like a lot of characters in this show). And, after the walnuts thing, when she finally thinks she's going to get it, it ends up literally being "pointless". It seems like the thing that could finally push someone who's already in a fragile state over the edge into dangerous territory. Also, in the scene after, when Evie says that she "doesn't know any jokes", Meg has this reaction to her that struck me as oddly similar to the one she has when Tommy says his family is in Texas. Like she can't believe the coincidence of it all. The joke just fits in that blank so well, does anyone else have any ideas on what it could have been?
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Did this work or did they all get stoned?
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AndyElusive posted:Did this work or did they all get stoned? Those look like regular cigarettes and e-ci- oh I see what you meant.
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Guy A. Person posted:Those look like regular cigarettes and e-ci- When Meg ordered that kid to get stoned in Ten Thirteen I was like, "sweet" 
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I wonder what the entry rules to the hotel are, because if everyone goes to there when you die it kind of implies a ton of people don't really want to come back to life. The tasks seem to be more bewildering than they're actually difficult. Ugh I gotta sing a song? No thanks, I'd rather stay dead forever from that random mugger who shot me in front of my family.
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Zsinjeh posted:I wonder what the entry rules to the hotel are, because if everyone goes to there when you die it kind of implies a ton of people don't really want to come back to life. The tasks seem to be more bewildering than they're actually difficult. 
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Zsinjeh posted:I wonder what the entry rules to the hotel are, because if everyone goes to there when you die it kind of implies a ton of people don't really want to come back to life. The tasks seem to be more bewildering than they're actually difficult. Maybe it's only Jarden and somewhere in Australia that go there.
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Yeah according to Lindelof, Jarden is an Axis Mundi and Kevin is a shaman or something. Troublingly, if you go to wikipedia and search for "axis mundI" and then go to the "shamanic function" subheading, it says:wikipedia posted:A common shamanic concept, and a universally told story, is that of the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world. It may be seen in the stories from Odin and the World Ash Tree to the Garden of Eden and Jacob's Ladder to Jack and the Beanstalk and Rapunzel. Confirmed Kevin died.
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punchymcpunch posted:Confirmed Kevin died. drat it.
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punchymcpunch posted:Yeah according to Lindelof, Jarden is an Axis Mundi and Kevin is a shaman or something. Troublingly, if you go to wikipedia and search for "axis mundI" and then go to the "shamanic function" subheading, it says: Why didn't you quote the more interesting part that came after that? quote:Anyone or anything suspended on the axis between heaven and earth becomes a repository of potential knowledge. A special status accrues to the thing suspended: a serpent, a victim of crucifixion or hanging...
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Yeah the nooses on the bridge could either be some shamanic set-dressing or they could be an Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge reference. So Kevin is either a magic man or everyone died. Lindelof, you magnificent bastard!
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I know there's a lot of depth to this show, but I genuinely think that thinking Kevin died (for real) is reaching.
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I think it's just a winking reference by Lindelof to all the Lost theories. Hope so, anyway.
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I wonder what will happen to the Murphys in season 3. If family is everything like Meg said then John Murphy in contrast to Kevin has nothing. His family is destroyed. I could see season 3 dealing a lot with John. I would have said the same with season 1, but it seems like season 3 would have to stay in Jarden to resolve the Murphy's story and the fact that Kevin was pretty adamant about the fact that it is his home now.
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I think my biggest disappointment with Season 2 was: not enough Pillar Guy. I wanted more Pillar Guy.
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Man, this was an amazing season. Definitely one of my favourite pieces of TV of all time. What were everyone's favourite episodes? I found I got the most out of Lens and Ten Thirteen, then Off Ramp and the Matt episode, and then the two main ghost Patti episodes (7/8). It's weird how despite loving all the Garvey and Murphy stuff so much of it is the stuff I liked the least of the season. This really has been something special.
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Escobarbarian posted:Man, this was an amazing season. Definitely one of my favourite pieces of TV of all time. International Assassin and it's not even close
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International Assassin is a fantastic episode, don't get me wrong, but it's not one of my personal favourites. I think I can't help comparing it negatively to the Sopranos coma episodes - I told Occ that if Join the Club and Mayham are an A, this is a B+. Although that's referring to the surreal portions rather than the Patti stuff which was perfect and fantastic
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The Sopranos dream sequences never really furthered the story though. Kevin's dream sequence was pretty integral to furthering the plot of the show, or at least his individual story.
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warcrimes posted:International Assassin and it's not even close
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I'd say I Live Here Now, followed closely by International Assassin. The scene with John cleaning Kevin's wounds puts it over the top for me.
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THA TITTY THRILLER posted:I'd say I Live Here Now, followed closely by International Assassin. The scene with John cleaning Kevin's wounds puts it over the top for me. Hard to pick but I agree with your choices. Although the scene that got me was the Karaoke, but I'm clouded since my friend just died and I almost lost my poo poo when Kevin was singing "Homeward Bound". On the subject of the Australia references in Off Ramp when Laurie was in the publisher's office he says "This wing nut in Australia says he went to the other side and can't die." Third season road trip for Kevin to see his dad and meet up with the wing nut and find out why he can't die either?
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warcrimes posted:International Assassin and it's not even close Probably my favourite thing Ive watched this year.
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I am going to be different and say No Room at the Inn. Matt episodes are loving awesome. Ten Thirteen was also really excellent but I would similarly put it just behind International Assassin and I Live Here Now. Those last three episodes were a phenomenal string of eps though, so I can see it being underrated since it's sandwiched between two of the season's best.
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I loved the entire season, but the one episode that made me go from "this is a pretty good season" to "this is one of the best things I've ever watched" was the Lens/A most powerful adversary sequence.
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tomapot posted:On the subject of the Australia references in Off Ramp when Laurie was in the publisher's office he says "This wing nut in Australia says he went to the other side and can't die." Third season road trip for Kevin to see his dad and meet up with the wing nut and find out why he can't die either? In the same episode we overhear a program on TV mentioning that the man "emerged from a cave near Perth," which is exactly where Garvey, Sr. was "hosed up on this poo poo they call God's Tongue." Definitely seems like they've laid groundwork for big story there, though I can't help but think HBO wouldn't be keen on moving filming halfway around the world for Season 3, no matter how much cheaper it is to film in Australia.
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I feel like every episode exceeded the one before with the exception of 10/13 being a minor step back and I Live Here Now not quite catching back up to International Assassin.
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stupid puma posted:The Sopranos dream sequences never really furthered the story though. Kevin's dream sequence was pretty integral to furthering the plot of the show, or at least his individual story. warcrimes posted:International Assassin and it's not even close
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stupid puma posted:The Sopranos dream sequences never really furthered the story though. Kevin's dream sequence was pretty integral to furthering the plot of the show, or at least his individual story. This isn't really true. Sopranos dream sequences followed in the footsteps of Twin Peaks in that they permitted characters intuition, in the case of the Sopranos these included: Tony realising that he was in love with his therapist, Tony realising his best friend was an FBI informant, Tony realising his cousin would start a mob war, Carmela realising Adriana was dead. The final season coma-dream sequence of Tony living in a hotel under an alternate name and career path, to which International Assassin owes a huge deal, was the most abstracted but still set up the whole arc of him questioning his assumptions about his values and life direction, and in the glorious final run whether or not he actually needed the people closest to him to be present in his life, or even alive and above ground. International Assassin was a great episode, but it more or less cheated by having Kevin be totally conscious of his real identity and agenda within a persistent world, making for much more of an alternate universe feel than an actual dream. It's also a little funny to say it advanced the story exactly because the stakes of the episode - Kevin has to exorcise his ghost nemesis by pushing a small child down a well without drinking any water - are totally arbitrary apart from on the thematic/character development level of him embracing faith and making peace with a buried side to his personality (we resolve absolutely nothing on a plot level about how and why Kevin ever heard voices or saw visions, let alone Patti in particular) which again is surely why it bore the Sopranos influence so heavily.
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I wonder how many of the most supportive fans of this series have suffered severe and sudden loss. I feel like it might be a lot, I certainly have.
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Who else here has kids and feels incredibly  whenever they show the children either departed or leftover in the opening? I mean, that shot with the boy on the bed is incredibly depressing to me, possibly because he looks a bit like my son.
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Pot Pie posted:I wonder how many of the most supportive fans of this series have suffered severe and sudden loss. I feel like it might be a lot, I certainly have.
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A couple of things I picked up on in the last few episodes that I don't think were mentioned and I may or may not be reaching...but with Lindelof you have to think they were intentional. The scoreboard outside of Jarden is for Milton High School. John Milton wrote Paradise Lost. The clock counted down to zero and paradise was essentially lost. Virgil, the Roman poet, helped guide Dante in his journey through hell. I have a very limited knowledge of these stories, but they stuck out to me. I'm sure you literary goons can take that and run with it. ntrepid fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Who else here has kids and feels incredibly I have a 16 month old daughter and Erika confronting Evie on the bridge definitely had the water works going.I can't even imagine that.
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BonoMan posted:I have a 16 month old daughter and Erika confronting Evie on the bridge definitely had the water works going.I can't even imagine that. Well, let's both pledge to not be the parents that Erika and John were to their kids, so that we don't end up on a bridge arguing for our kids to talk to us and to run away from the potential bomb that they've set up in an elaborate ploy to allow a cult to gain access into a restricted town! 
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Off Ramp is the episode that took this show from amazing, to holy poo poo, this season is something special. Despite that, I have to say International Assassin was my favorite and it isn't even close. It is one of the best hours of TV I've ever seen.
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