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Quantum Cat posted:Honestly, to me, it's FO4's failure to allow meaningful exploration of this through gameplay and/or narrative choices that stands out as one of the largest, if not the largest, missed opportunity in the game. The most recent and probably the most frustrating example of this that I came across was the (underwater side quest spoiler) Chinese submarine captain. There was SO much potential for dialogue there, like "hey I was there when your people started the apocalypse, cool huh?" but no, it's again just "go get mcguffin I really miss China" "ok np". Granted I haven't finished that yet so maybe there will be a cool moment in the end, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.
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khy posted:I like how I actually have to be careful when I'm attacking robots. Several times now I've started spraying one with bullets only to discover too late that I accidentally blew off all its weapons, and turned the fucker into a robotic suicider. Then it was a mad scramble to get away or get its legs to stop the charge before I was nuked into orbit. Accidentally doing it to a Mr Gutsy which HAD no legs made for an extra-exciting sprint away and over rocks/obstacles. Though leg shots feel just a little overpowered since nothing ever seems to fight back once it's on the ground... PA training was a really stupid idea that you can actually just pretend didn't exist previously. FO3 and NV were the only ones to even use it and I am happy to count the change under 'Wow, that was a bad idea, sorry about that!'
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Dec 9, 2015 16:29
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BAILOUT MCQUACK! posted:I kind of wish they would employ the way the brahmin moved caravan goods around in fallout 1 and 2, where they would cut off the beds of trucks and turn them into carts. Seeing how poorly they could get the carts in skyrim to actually follow the horse around, they probably skipped it. I mean shoot, a way to add in some real world fast travel would be to find a caravan and ask if you could travel with them to one of their destinations they go between. 
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Dec 9, 2015 16:55
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Shut up about how you could write Bethesda's games so much better and go apply for one of the quest-designer positions Bethesda just opened up. (I have no connection to Zenimax or Bethesda, I just happened to notice the listing.)
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Dec 9, 2015 17:27
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khy posted:
There is two changes to power armor in this game: 1) untrained people can use it 2) it constantly drains it's battery in a way it never ever did before. It doesn't take a fan fiction master to make up a connection between those two things and explain the second via the first.
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Dec 9, 2015 17:46
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I never really 'got' power armour training. You wear it. You walk forward. Doesn't seem that hard.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:01
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Ak Gara posted:I never really 'got' power armour training. Well, it completely readjusts your center of gravity and you have to manipulate robot hands instead of just using your regular ones, in reality needing a complete course of training in order to properly utilize a suit of power armor is a given, but in a game it is silly and pointless.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:04
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what people really want is the ability to plop yourself in a suit of power armor like in fallout 1/2 and then be invincible to everything without having to worry about anything else which is a pretty dumb but common way to bypass the awful combat system in those two games but the combat system for the post fallout-3 games isn't quite as awful as it was then.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:10
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Magmarashi posted:Well, it completely readjusts your center of gravity and you have to manipulate robot hands instead of just using your regular ones, in reality needing a complete course of training in order to properly utilize a suit of power armor is a given, but in a game it is silly and pointless. Well in a game it's a matter of gating, it can attach some prestige to it and give a sense that not everyone can do it, exclusivity. In 4 they took a step forward by separating power armor from regular kinds and making the first go a big deal, but also back by giving it so early and letting you just nab a suit whenever, possibly from a scripted sequence you are directed to very early in the game.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:16
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:what people really want is the ability to plop yourself in a suit of power armor like in fallout 1/2 and then be invincible to everything without having to worry about anything else They are immune to everything but criticals. gently caress you super mutants and 200damage criticals!
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Nordick posted:I was just thinking about this too. The game just keeps referring to the protagonist as "Vault Dweller" which is understandable from the NPCs point of view, but there's never a chance to really point out that from our perspective we basically just spent five minutes in there and then came back out to a whole new world, except for a few passing mentions. I just talked to Daisy, the ghoul shopkeeper in Goodneighbor last night. I really wish there were more conversations like that, and even that one fell short, since I wasn't able to convince her that I was pre-war also with a detail that only somebody from then could know. Like, anybody in the Commonwealth could piece together green grass and white picket fences from the lingering advertisements; I wanted to say something like "I was at a parade here a couple years before the war, and the mayor fell out of his car." I think it was a missed opportunity to have that kind of connection to the small number of pre-war ghouls -- chatting about the way things used to be.
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Magmarashi posted:Well, it completely readjusts your center of gravity and you have to manipulate robot hands instead of just using your regular ones, in reality needing a complete course of training in order to properly utilize a suit of power armor is a given, but in a game it is silly and pointless. Plus the reason it was implemented was for balance reasons and not because it is unrealistic to be able to use it without training. I really wish the introduction to power armour in 4 was later on to give it more weight when it appears. The way they did was just fine, but it is way too early into the game. Also, there are far too many suits just lying around, and fusion cores are so hilariously common I've been actively attempting to run out of them and still have more than 50.
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I'm really looking forward to a mod that makes everything that isn't junk more scarce. I've always installed one, since Oblivion and Fallout 3. Might make Fusion Cores and ammo more meaningful. I like the current power armor, though; I'm slowly upgrading it and keep thinking, "This is my armor, there are many like it but this one's mine".
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khy posted:I like how I actually have to be careful when I'm attacking robots. Several times now I've started spraying one with bullets only to discover too late that I accidentally blew off all its weapons, and turned the fucker into a robotic suicider. Then it was a mad scramble to get away or get its legs to stop the charge before I was nuked into orbit. Accidentally doing it to a Mr Gutsy which HAD no legs made for an extra-exciting sprint away and over rocks/obstacles. Though leg shots feel just a little overpowered since nothing ever seems to fight back once it's on the ground... Edit: that's also a good way to explain away having no weapon skills. He's a soldier, he's trained with everything! 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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There's something incredibly cathartic about finally getting that sniper rifle suppressor on your sneaky Rifleman, then going full murder mode on the raider quarries like Thicket Excavations and Dunwich Borers under cover of darkness.
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Dec 9, 2015 18:36
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Zodium posted:I really, really like the ghoul/synth limb loss mechanic (though I'm a little sad you can't make incapacitated/disarmed synths surrender or something, would've been cool.) I hacked a Protectron in The Forge to help clear it and it had both its legs disabled by the raiders in there. Seeing it crawl along the ground with its legs dangling uselessly behind it while still trying to go after the raiders was so sad 
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Magmarashi posted:Well, it completely readjusts your center of gravity and you have to manipulate robot hands instead of just using your regular ones, in reality needing a complete course of training in order to properly utilize a suit of power armor is a given, but in a game it is silly and pointless. Yeah, but it still seems like a situation where you'd be able to wing it without a full walkthrough of how everything works. I always felt a better design choice would be something like the ability to use the armor without training, but with no bonus stats or possibly even a detriment in some area, like -1 agility or something.
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I was told to clear Jamaica Plain, so I warped to the nearest radio tower. Down the hill was a legendary Major Gutsy. I blasted him, walked down to loot his corpse, and he went nuclear and fried me. So I reloaded, fast traveled to the same tower, saw Major Gutsy, killed him and waited. He blew up next to a car and the explosion sent his corpse flying. I got really pissed thinking it was a wasted opportunity, but then I spent a couple minutes searching for him and found him in a ditch a couple dozen yards away. He had a wounding assault rifle waiting for me. I am no longer pissed off.
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2house2fly posted:the main character is a soldier, he was probably in and out of power armour like a duck in water. That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him?
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2house2fly posted:the main character is a soldier, he was probably in and out of power armour like a duck in water. I on the other hand am enjoying roleplaying my psychotic 1-intelligence female lawyer. Edit: beaten
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I just got the game and I've got a very minor complaint Your character is really really really really nonchalant about everything happening. You watched your spouse get murdered in front of you, first thing you do out of the tube is nab her wedding ring and kinda shrug it off. Big rear end cockroach? Oh that sure is big. S/he is very blasé about it all. I don't mind the power armor you get early. To be fair, it's rusted to poo poo, two parts are near broke (and the segment after the armor will all but break it completely). So I got the armor, got back to Sanctuary and abandoned it. I'm sure I'll use it at a later point, but at the moment the FC is half dead and the armor itself is busted as gently caress. e: where's a good place to grab cloth (for beds)?
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? John Fallout was bored and drunk one day and 'acquired' a suit to show her how.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? Their honeymoon was taking trips in power armor to put down some uppity Canadian insurgents in the newly acquired states. And during that trip they both learned short hand from a universal engineer guru that taught them the basics of hydroponics, home construction and electronics. Not enough to make a solid roof, but enough to build turrets like no one's business.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? Perhaps she too was a veteran but then studied law on a GI bill.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? They talked about power armor around the dinner table. 
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Stringbean posted:I don't mind the power armor you get early. To be fair, it's rusted to poo poo, two parts are near broke (and the segment after the armor will all but break it completely). So I got the armor, got back to Sanctuary and abandoned it. I'm sure I'll use it at a later point, but at the moment the FC is half dead and the armor itself is busted as gently caress. It took me about 100 hours of gameplay to notice that you can repair the parts with common stuff like Steel and no skills required, if you just put it in the power armor rack and go to the craft menu.
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Zero VGS posted:It took me about 100 hours of gameplay to notice that you can repair the parts with common stuff like Steel and no skills required, if you just put it in the power armor rack and go to the craft menu. Later suits start requiring a lot more to repair though so it can be worth maintaining a backup suit too.
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Stringbean posted:e: where's a good place to grab cloth (for beds)? Pre-War money.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? In 2077, all court proceedings are conducted in full power armor.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? She's non-canon so there doesn't have to be a story explanation.
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Besesoth posted:Shut up about how you could write Bethesda's games so much better and go apply for one of the quest-designer positions Bethesda just opened up. (I have no connection to Zenimax or Bethesda, I just happened to notice the listing.) When they specify Excellent, it's almost laughable considering the quality of writing since Skyrim. Or like half the thread, my Obsidian-shade glasses are too dark.
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khy posted:That works for John Fallout, but what's the explanation behind civilian lawyer wife being able to use it as easily as him? 2house2fly posted:She's non-canon so there doesn't have to be a story explanation. Sorry, but the lady is always the canon choice. You probably played male Shepard.
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GuyUpNorth posted:When they specify Excellent, it's almost laughable considering the quality of writing since Skyrim. Or like half the thread, my Obsidian-shade glasses are too dark. I'm half considering applying just to see what happens.
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popewiles posted:Sorry, but the lady is always the canon choice. According to the data Bioware released, almost everyone played Soldier Man Shep. It caused quite a bit of shock in the ME thread at the time, who kept espousing the joy of Vanguard/FemShep to the point where they couldn't understand that everyone else played it differently. (Come to think of it, that has parallels to this thread - how often are people espousing how good Obsidian is when everyone else likes how Bethesda does things?) fake edit: here, have a picture I stole from IGN: 
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I want to know who the two people who finished ME2 28 times are because jesus.
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RBA Starblade posted:I want to know who the two people who finished ME2 28 times are because jesus. There's a guy who used to post in the Mass Effect threads (maybe still does??!) who seemed to do nothing with his time except play Mass Effect. He'd played through ME3 a couple of times before I finished it once, and I rushed through it
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Mass Effect 3 was the only one I didn't finish.
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the actual most shocking thing is that only 15% of dialogue was skipped in me2
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NecroMonster posted:me2 was a really god damned loving good game Now that's a statement I haven't heard in a while...
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