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The real crime of the double down is that it tasted worse than the components on their own.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:There's literally nothing in mountain dew that's worse than what we normally put on wings. Buffalo Wild Wings signature sauce is 50 calories an oz. Teriyaki sauce is 32. Mountain dew is 14. Also, buffalo wings are relatively mild as far as greasy food goes, because of their small size and expense; a 10 count will set you back about 650 calories. That's cool, but it kind of spits in the face of the core problem: people have lovely eating habits. Mountain Dew flavored wings only exacerbate the problem of lovely eating habits.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:43
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Cole posted:That's cool, but it kind of spits in the face of the core problem: people have lovely eating habits. Mountain Dew flavored wings only exacerbate the problem of lovely eating habits. In what way do they do that?
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Dec 10, 2015 01:53
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:There's literally nothing in mountain dew that's worse than what we normally put on wings. Buffalo Wild Wings signature sauce is 50 calories an oz. Teriyaki sauce is 32. Mountain dew is 14. Also, buffalo wings are relatively mild as far as greasy food goes, because of their small size and expense; a 10 count will set you back about 650 calories. Hey now, don't act all high and mighty- I've got the stats for all of those basic staples memorized, too!
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Dec 10, 2015 01:56
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fishmech posted:In what way do they do that? Really? You don't think advertising plays a part in the obesity epidemic? Do you think they created Mountain Dew flavored wings to keep the status quo? Nevermind, throwing hilariously dumb foods in the face of a country with an obesity epidemic isn't a problem. No, siree. Cole fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 01:59
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Cole posted:Really? You don't think advertising plays a part in the obesity epidemic? Do you think they created Mountain Dew flavored wings to keep the status quo? They're not advertising for people to come on down to BWW and gnaw through 50 wings, they're advertising for people to spend money on the new flavor of wings.
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Dec 10, 2015 02:05
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Effectronica posted:They're not advertising for people to come on down to BWW and gnaw through 50 wings, they're advertising for people to spend money on the new flavor of wings. You're right. Advertisements throwing horrible foods into the face of a country with an obesity epidemi... wait, I already said this.
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Dec 10, 2015 02:06
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Cole posted:Really? You don't think advertising plays a part in the obesity epidemic? Do you think they created Mountain Dew flavored wings to keep the status quo? The mountain dew flavor wings are no less healthy then already existing wings. Yes, it isn't a problem. I mean, you realize that barbecue sauce isn't like zero calorie right?
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Dec 10, 2015 02:07
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fishmech posted:The mountain dew flavor wings are no less healthy then already existing wings. You're right, advertising dumb foods.. goddamn, it's like a broken record.
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Cole posted:You're right. Advertisements throwing horrible foods into the face of a country with an obesity epidemi... wait, I already said this. They aren't any more horrible than chicken wings generally, and are probably better than regular buffalo sauce. So it's not a huge concern. The major concern would be advertising that encourages people to overeat, but that's fallen somewhat out of favor because of the bad reputation of the fast food industry.
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Cole posted:You're right, advertising dumb foods.. This food is no less dumb then regular wings, which have been advertised for over half a century.
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Dec 10, 2015 02:10
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Effectronica posted:They aren't any more horrible than chicken wings generally, and are probably better than regular buffalo sauce. So it's not a huge concern. The major concern would be advertising that encourages people to overeat, but that's fallen somewhat out of favor because of the bad reputation of the fast food industry. Fried chicken wings are good for you either hth
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Dec 10, 2015 02:10
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fishmech posted:This food is no less dumb then regular wings, which have been advertised for over half a century. you're right! let's just give up then! that's the spirit, tiger.
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Cole posted:Fried chicken wings are good for you either hth Cole posted:you're right! let's just give up then! that's the spirit, tiger. Chicken wings are perfectly fine to eat. You can't live off of them, you shouldn't overeat them, but there's nothing wrong with eating them as long as you're getting all your vitamins and the recommended proportions of carbs, fat, and protein.
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Cole posted:you're right! let's just give up then! that's the spirit, tiger. There is nothing wrong with the food in question, other than it'll probably taste bad, so I don't see why it gets you so upset?
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Dec 10, 2015 02:28
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Discendo Vox posted:Hey now, don't act all high and mighty- I've got the stats for all of those basic staples memorized, too! Who has time to memorize that poo poo? I looked them up. But it's self evident with any amount of critical thought; which sounds healthier, drinking a 20oz bottle of mountain dew, or a 20oz bottle of bbq sauce? Glug glug.
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Dec 10, 2015 02:30
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:a 20oz bottle of mountain dew, or, a 20oz bottle of bbq sauce? You've given me a wonderful idea.
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I think the concern might be the ever escalating ridiculous flavors that make it less and less likely that a person is going to enjoy the simplicity of say, a carrot. That's an extreme example maybe, but now that my diet has been pretty clean for several years, I'm realizing that it's not that healthy foods taste bad or boring, it's the other stuff that's just way too intense.
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Bast Relief posted:I think the concern might be the ever escalating ridiculous flavors that make it less and less likely that a person is going to enjoy the simplicity of say, a carrot. That's an extreme example maybe, but now that my diet has been pretty clean for several years, I'm realizing that it's not that healthy foods taste bad or boring, it's the other stuff that's just way too intense. What do you mean by "clean"? What do you mean by "simplicity"? What do you mean by "ridiculous"?
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Bast Relief posted:I think the concern might be the ever escalating ridiculous flavors that make it less and less likely that a person is going to enjoy the simplicity of say, a carrot. That's an extreme example maybe, but now that my diet has been pretty clean for several years, I'm realizing that it's not that healthy foods taste bad or boring, it's the other stuff that's just way too intense. I think this concern is utterly ridiculous. Especially because "ridiculous" flavors tend to be novelties and gimmicks that don't actually taste good. Like there's no way this Mountain Dew sauce wings is going to taste good enough that someone will prefer it. Also "intense" flavor is such a wishy-washy nonspecific charge at that! I mean there's people out there who think table pepper on food is too spicy and intense.
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Dec 10, 2015 03:30
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Discendo Vox posted:What do you mean by "clean"? What do you mean by "simplicity"? What do you mean by "ridiculous"? Take coffee as an example. It's delicious and amazing all on its own, but a lot of people dump a whole bunch of syrup and milk and other crap in it for some reason. My mom was one of those people (she only ever did milk and sugar, but those were 100% necessary). Then, she worked on cutting those things out one at a time. Now, she enjoys black coffee more than coffee with milk and/or sugar, and it's healthier. She became so used to those additives that the genuine article was no longer pleasant, and that's a real problem when you're talking about additives that are not good for you. Of course the dose makes the poison, but when you train yourself to only eat things that are high in sugar and/or fat, it's going to be much more difficult for you to meet your calorie goals. Strong flavours aren't really the problem. I have an aversion to things that are supposed to be spicy, yet are not spicy enough (like salsa; gently caress mild salsa), but that's fine because spicy salsa is nutritionally nearly identical to mild salsa. If you train your palate to both crave and expect sugar and fat all the time, it's still possible to have a healthy diet, but it becomes a lot more difficult and it requires a lot more willpower.
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PT6A posted:Take coffee as an example. It's delicious and amazing all on its own, but a lot of people dump a whole bunch of syrup and milk and other crap in it for some reason. My mom was one of those people (she only ever did milk and sugar, but those were 100% necessary). Then, she worked on cutting those things out one at a time. Now, she enjoys black coffee more than coffee with milk and/or sugar, and it's healthier. She became so used to those additives that the genuine article was no longer pleasant, and that's a real problem when you're talking about additives that are not good for you. Of course the dose makes the poison, but when you train yourself to only eat things that are high in sugar and/or fat, it's going to be much more difficult for you to meet your calorie goals. Coffee tastes real bad to most people when served plain. That's why human cultures have been flavoring it in various ways for thousands of years. And it's a prime example of something that's an acquired taste. Also humans have been "trained" to crave sugar and fat since before writing developed, they taste really good because they're relatively scarce in the wild hundreds of thousands of years ago. fishmech fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 03:45
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fishmech posted:Coffee tastes real bad to most people when served plain. That's why human cultures have been flavoring it in various ways for thousands of years. And it's a prime example of something that's an acquired taste. Yes, people and animals crave fat and sugar naturally. However, it's possible, through diet, to tweak the degree to which one craves those things. I like sweet things, but if you gave me a cube of sugar to suck on, I'd think that was loving disgusting. Likewise with a glass of Coke. It's too sweet to my palate, because I don't eat a lot of sugar even though I like sweet things. It's a matter of balance and quantity. I love Sauternes wine, but I couldn't handle more than a single small glass of it at a time because it would simply be too sweet to stand. If you train your palate through constant exposure to things with a lot of sugar in them, your perception of what a reasonable amount of sugar is will be skewed, and it will be that much harder for you to meet your calorie intake goals. That doesn't mean the sugar is bad for you, necessarily.
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Wow. I just try to choose igredients that are nutritionally dense for the calories. I used to not do this. I also was overweight and felt like crap. I eat pretty plain foods and mostly cook my meals. Just a sautéed brussle sprout has a tremendous amount of subtle flavors all by itself that keep me plenty entertained. Awhile ago I was at an event and they gave us free Doritos. I used to love those as a kid. Sure they were super tasty, but it was cloying and just over the top. I feel like if I went back to eating that kind of stuff regularly, I'd lose my appreciation for subtle flavors again. But I guess earlier in the thread we were attacking the idea of such a thing as nutrition even existing and all that matters is calories so I don't even know anymore. I'll stick to my delicious lightly seasoned veggies and meats as that's what works for me. I didn't realize that made me some kind of flavor pussy.
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Now folks are bragging about training themselves to "enjoy" under seasoned food and extremely bitter drinks? Do you voluntarily abstain from sex and spend hours meditating on cold concrete floors as well? It's funny, you guys keep complaining about foods with too many ingredients. Are you upset over things like an authentic curry or mole? What about a stew? Is that too much for you guys as well? Christ, I just love it when goons start bragging about how ascetic their lives are. "Oh, I don't own a tv. I don't even like sports. I don't drink alcohol. I eat beans and rice every day, sometimes with boiled chicken breast if I'm feeling naughty!"
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Solkanar512 posted:Now folks are bragging about training themselves to "enjoy" under seasoned food and extremely bitter drinks? Do you voluntarily abstain from sex and spend hours meditating on cold concrete floors as well? You are the goon here. He's absolutely right that many people are used to really salty, fatty and sugary stuff, which makes their palates recognise these flavours less. It's not about asceticism and more about eating slowly and aware of the flavours of food.
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Solkanar512 posted:Now folks are bragging about training themselves to "enjoy" under seasoned food and extremely bitter drinks? Do you voluntarily abstain from sex and spend hours meditating on cold concrete floors as well? 'I've been trying to avoid eating the taste equivalent of a disco ball constantly' ≠ 'I'm going to remove all earthly pleasures from my life and move to a Himalayan monastery'. You goon.
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khwarezm posted:'I've been trying to avoid eating the taste equivalent of a disco ball constantly' ≠ 'I'm going to remove all earthly pleasures from my life and move to a Himalayan monastery'. Sorry, I didn't realize something as scary as channa masala or coffee with a bit of milk and sugar is the taste equivalent of a disco ball.
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Taking arguments and running with them to the fringes of the loving extreme, presenting them as the arguments of the opposition: a Goon mating behavior oft observed in the wild.
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I only eat raw carrots and dry cereal, AMA.
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computer parts posted:I only eat raw carrots and dry cereal, AMA. Where do you tend to land on the bristol scale?
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The idea that the horror of things tasting good is what's causing people to be fat is hilarious, and tends to betray a lack of understanding of just how little is needed to be added for things to be appealing even to the dreaded Guy Who Eats McDonald's A Lot.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Who has time to memorize that poo poo? I looked them up. But it's self evident with any amount of critical thought; which sounds healthier, drinking a 20oz bottle of mountain dew, or a 20oz bottle of bbq sauce? 20 Oz bottle of bottom shelf bourbon is the correct answer. Your heart can't kill you if your liver gets there first.
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Solkanar512 posted:Now folks are bragging about training themselves to "enjoy" under seasoned food and extremely bitter drinks? Do you voluntarily abstain from sex and spend hours meditating on cold concrete floors as well? I'm not complaining about food with a lot of ingredients, or strong flavours though? I'm complaining especially about the high level of sugar in the American diet, which is completely unnecessary to create a good-tasting product. The fact that people find black coffee unpalatable is perfect evidence of the fact that too much sugar in the diet makes you have an infant's palate. To answer your question, presumably whoever thinks black coffee is unpalatably bitter would find a curry or mole far, far too spicy, because their palate has been trained toward craving the immediate reward of sugar, fat and salt, with less regard for flavour.
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PT6A posted:I'm not complaining about food with a lot of ingredients, or strong flavours though? I'm complaining especially about the high level of sugar in the American diet, which is completely unnecessary to create a good-tasting product. The fact that people find black coffee unpalatable is perfect evidence of the fact that too much sugar in the diet makes you have an infant's palate. No, black coffee has been found unpalatable by people since coffee was first made. Because it's strictly an acquired taste. No, this is wrong entirely. We get it, YOU like black coffee. Tons of people, with wildly varying diets from all across the globe and history don't like it. It has nothing to do with how much sugar people eat on a regular basis.
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If the only tastes that aren't acquired are desires for evolutionarily-advantageous food (high in calories or otherwise necessary, like fat, sugar and salt) then perhaps we need to figure out how to get people to acquire other tastes, since those things are now so readily accessible that people will eat themselves into massive health problems as a result, instead of giving into it and adding sugar to everything, exacerbating the problem.
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fishmech posted:No, black coffee has been found unpalatable by people since coffee was first made. Because it's strictly an acquired taste.
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PT6A posted:I'm not complaining about food with a lot of ingredients, or strong flavours though? I'm complaining especially about the high level of sugar in the American diet, which is completely unnecessary to create a good-tasting product. The fact that people find black coffee unpalatable is perfect evidence of the fact that too much sugar in the diet makes you have an infant's palate. I don't like coffee and like curry, seems like your simplistic worldview is a house of cards.
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Effectronica posted:I don't like coffee and like curry, seems like your simplistic worldview is a house of cards.
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PT6A posted:If the only tastes that aren't acquired are desires for evolutionarily-advantageous food (high in calories or otherwise necessary, like fat, sugar and salt) then perhaps we need to figure out how to get people to acquire other tastes, since those things are now so readily accessible that people will eat themselves into massive health problems as a result, instead of giving into it and adding sugar to everything, exacerbating the problem. I'm not seeing what's supposed to be beneficial about liking black coffee towards a goal of weight loss, personally. Also, again, Americans have been using less and less sugar ever since 1998/1999 to begin with. Monomaniacally focusing on sugar as the cause of all life's problems doesn't seem to pan out! Mr. Wookums posted:People certainly normalize the flavor of sugar (or anything) in their diet and the use of sugar was and still is used to mask lovely, horrible, coffee. I'm sure goons who went off the soda here will testify as to how horrendously sweet a regular soda is after being off the stuff for a while. There's a natural tendency for your palate to move away from sweet as you age as well which is why kids generally don't like coffee even with sugar. That is just people over-exaggerating, to be frank. There are plenty of people out there who only drink soda or even eat sweet things at all on rare occasions and they don't make a whole production of "oh god it's so sickeningly sweet help me" like goon drama queens do. There's also very little evidence that your tastes "naturally" move away from sweetness over time, rather than it just being traditional for people to eat that way.
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