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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
| Total: | 1326 votes | ||
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I'm willing to bet that I could beat up broly
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Dec 10, 2015 07:57
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Chickenfrogman posted:Cell was holding back pretty significantly until Gohan went SSJ2. Broly probably is around or a little stronger then Perfect Cell, but he's definitely not even close to SSJ2 Gohan, maybe Super Perfect Cell. I doubt this since pre-cell games Goku beat Broly in SSJ1. Cell Games SSJ1 Goku could only fight Perfect Cell to a standstill and knew he would lose in the end.
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Dec 10, 2015 08:08
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Broly and cooler have the same weakness you just gotta punch harder you don't have to acend to a higher level of power you just have to punch harder than you were previously punching destroys all their defenses.
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Dec 10, 2015 08:44
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Chickenfrogman posted:Cell was holding back pretty significantly until Gohan went SSJ2. Broly probably is around or a little stronger then Perfect Cell, but he's definitely not even close to SSJ2 Gohan, maybe Super Perfect Cell. Uh, Super Perfect Cell was significantly stronger than that, certainly at the level of SSJ2 Gohan, possibly even stronger. He managed to bring Gohan down with a simple ki blast, which was meant for killing Vegeta who was a total non-threat at this point.
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Dec 10, 2015 09:35
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Broly is as strong as the plot needs him to be at the moment because his power is maximum. The whole "everyone give me your Ki so I can punch him really hard" thing is just weird too. I mean it's kinda similar to the spirit bomb except a punch? Punch Bomb? But they already did that with Android 13 and it was cooler there.
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Dec 10, 2015 09:43
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Yeah it's over 9000 rofl.
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Dec 10, 2015 14:46
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HGH posted:Broly is as strong as the plot needs him to be at the moment because his power is maximum. here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it
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Dec 10, 2015 14:54
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Movie characters are more stupidly powerful than show characters (shooting kamehamehas that are like hundreds of times faster than light and go through and punch through the sun in a few seconds, fighting in IT, villains simply ignoring full power kamehamehas to the face), so it's kind of pointless to gauge movie characters to points in the show.
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Dec 10, 2015 16:01
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Darko posted:Movie characters are more stupidly powerful than show characters (shooting kamehamehas that are like hundreds of times faster than light and go through and punch through the sun in a few seconds, fighting in IT, [b[]villains simply ignoring full power kamehamehas to the face[/b]), so it's kind of pointless to gauge movie characters to points in the show. That was the coolest scene in Cooler 1 and you know it. 
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Dec 10, 2015 16:22
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Am I misremembering or didn't Frieza completely no-sell the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha?
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Dec 10, 2015 16:24
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projecthalaxy posted:Am I misremembering or didn't Frieza completely no-sell the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha? He no-selled it hard.
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Dec 10, 2015 16:26
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There is nothing Cool about Cooler, he is barely even an Er
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Dec 10, 2015 16:27
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projecthalaxy posted:Am I misremembering or didn't Frieza completely no-sell the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha? Weeeeelllll he kinda burned his hand blocking it.
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Dec 10, 2015 16:36
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Exactly. So if Real Frieza gets to do a thing, why shouldn't Fake Frieza?
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Dec 10, 2015 16:50
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projecthalaxy posted:Exactly. So if Real Frieza gets to do a thing, why shouldn't Fake Frieza?
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Dec 10, 2015 16:56
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Covok posted:He no-selled it hard. no-sold
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Dec 10, 2015 17:00
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Twiddy posted:Because Fake Freeza wasn't in the manga. Oh no, some dead tree garbage by a hack doesn't include the coolest characters and scenes, better stop caring about them.
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Dec 10, 2015 17:44
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projecthalaxy posted:Am I misremembering or didn't Frieza completely no-sell the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha? Freeza put all of his power into blocking it and got singed and hurt from it. Similarly, Cell got completely screwed up by weaker Vegeta's "everything he's got" Big Bang Attack. A lot of the movie villains can put no effort into defense and just walk through everyone's strongest attacks like paper. It's a big part of the series that people have to be able to consciously block attacks, even from weaker characters, for the most part. That's the whole part of the Goku gets blasted by ring part of Revival F and what Whis was teaching him. The movies create villains so powerful that they even ignore that, and will ignore every single attack until the very end where someone eats a spirit bomb or absorbs weaker people's ki, or ghost Goku comes and helps. It gets to be kind of annoying because it makes the fights kind of pointless since they don't have the back and forth or stakes the actual manga has. If it happened once, it's fine, but it happened like 4 times and got old. Darko fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 17:45
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Blockhouse posted:here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it I have learned something new about dragonball for the first time in ages. Good to know.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:10
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mmkay posted:Uh, Super Perfect Cell was significantly stronger than that, certainly at the level of SSJ2 Gohan, possibly even stronger. He managed to bring Gohan down with a simple ki blast, which was meant for killing Vegeta who was a total non-threat at this point. Darko's post touched on this better than I can - Gohan wasn't trying to block the attack, he was trying to jump on Vegeta, so Gohan got hosed up by it. Before that, Gohan seemed pretty confident that he could go evenly with Super Perfect Cell.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:16
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Honestly, a lot of the Internet questions about Goku being hurt by a ring or Gohan's arm being broken by Super Perfect Cell wouldn't even be questions if Toei didn't keep throwing in "this person is so powerful they don't even have to block" in all the movies and the filler (destructo disc on Cell being a prime example).
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Dec 10, 2015 18:23
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Darko posted:Honestly, a lot of the Internet questions about Goku being hurt by a ring or Gohan's arm being broken by Super Perfect Cell wouldn't even be questions if Toei didn't keep throwing in "this person is so powerful they don't even have to block" in all the movies and the filler (destructo disc on Cell being a prime example). Yeah, it's a disconnect between Manga and anime that really causes some confusions. Same thing with how other world is handled. It does make an interesting question: if people must actively block, why didn't someone kill Frieza in his sleep?
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Dec 10, 2015 18:33
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Blockhouse posted:here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it are you loving making GBS threads me
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Dec 10, 2015 18:34
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Source on this? Can't really find any proof of this.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:36
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Covok posted:Yeah, it's a disconnect between Manga and anime that really causes some confusions. Same thing with how other world is handled. Just like Saiyan's default durability is way above humans in that they say "ow" when shot by machine guns, Freeza's is probably even higher to a degree that you need a ton of energy to breach it since he takes a lot more to kill and can survive being in pieces anyway. Random mooks probably can't even do it with their ultra weak blasts, and people like Ginyu are so loyal that they wouldn't bother.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:37
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VJeff posted:Darko's post touched on this better than I can - Gohan wasn't trying to block the attack, he was trying to jump on Vegeta, so Gohan got hosed up by it. Before that, Gohan seemed pretty confident that he could go evenly with Super Perfect Cell. On the other hand Cell came back to the fight right away, so he was apparently pretty confident he could defeat Gohan as well. Additionally, once Gohan got blasted, he noted that Cell's power went up more than he thought. mmkay fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 18:37
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Blockhouse posted:here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it Did he work on BoG too?
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Dec 10, 2015 18:38
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The Cell/Gohan question is pretty much answered in that a weakened Gohan still overpowered Cell's kamehameha once his dead dad convinced him to finally stop holding back. Gohan was holding back the entire time because he was scared of blowing up the planet himself, so that fight is really hard to gauge.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:39
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Darko posted:The Cell/Gohan question is pretty much answered in that a weakened Gohan still overpowered Cell's kamehameha once his dead dad convinced him to finally stop holding back. Gohan was holding back the entire time because he was scared of blowing up the planet himself, so that fight is really hard to gauge. Gohan put basically his whole energy, since he reverted back to base after the duel ended (earlier when Cell apparently died, he only reverted back to regular SSJ), straight at a distracted Cell (who was faring much better during the duel). And it's not like we didn't see stronger people being defeated by a weaker person's ki blast (like Raditz). Now that I think about it during the 23rd Tenkaichi, Piccolo suffered similar wounds after getting hit by his own beam, so at least this points that Cell and Gohan are much closer to each other in strength than some people think. mmkay fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 18:47
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Pureauthor posted:Weeeeelllll he kinda burned his hand blocking it. I really like this scene because both parties were horrified for completely opposite reasons, Goku was obviously freaked out his heroic second wind counterattack didn't harm Frieza at all but Frieza was nearly as appalled that he was in full tryhard mode and an attack still hurt him; it was a clever way of showing how hideously outmatched Goku was without making him an impotent chump, Vegeta style Blockhouse posted:here's my usual reminder that broly's creator is in a weird cult about sharing energy through touching and the entire climax of the first broly movie is basically thinly veiled propaganda for it lol
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Dec 10, 2015 18:48
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The anime version really skews the relative power of Cell and Gohan in the latter's favour - after Gohan unleashes his energy, it takes like 5 episodes of him walking forward until Cell is killed, and there's the sideplot of the whole B-crew shooting at Cell's back, until Vegeta decides to turn SSJ and join as well. While in the manga, there's a quick shot of Vegeta shooting a useless ki blast at Cell's face (without turning SSJ), who turns attention, Gohan unleashes the Kamehameha and everything's over.
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Dec 10, 2015 19:02
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mmkay posted:Gohan put basically his whole energy, since he reverted back to base after the duel ended (earlier when Cell apparently died, he only reverted back to regular SSJ), straight at a distracted Cell (who was faring much better during the duel). And it's not like we didn't see stronger people being defeated by a weaker person's ki blast (like Raditz). The thing with Gohan was that it was a life or death struggle with the same blasts going against each other, and Cell's distraction was tiny. You basically had 75% of Gohan holding back SPC's kamehameha and losing, his dead dad gave him a pep talk, and Vegeta did the equivalent of throwing a rock at Cell to give him a little bit of distraction, with Gohan releasing all of his power at that moment to overpower Cell. Cell -was- pushing back everything he had left at Gohan, but the intent looks like the momentum plus the power gave him the win. Since Gohan was weakened there, a fully powered one should have probably been more powerful, although not -that- much. I agree the difference was small, but I don't think it was equal, either. And like you said, the anime skews it ridiculously in Cell's favor, since everyone was doing full out blasts at his back (while he was not blocking, again), and he was fighting them off with ki from his back while blasting Gohan.
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Dec 10, 2015 19:11
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The gohan/cell beam struggle is like 8 pages in the manga lol
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Dec 10, 2015 21:08
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mmkay posted:The anime version really skews the relative power of Cell and Gohan in the latter's favour - after Gohan unleashes his energy, it takes like 5 episodes of him walking forward until Cell is killed, and there's the sideplot of the whole B-crew shooting at Cell's back, until Vegeta decides to turn SSJ and join as well. While in the manga, there's a quick shot of Vegeta shooting a useless ki blast at Cell's face (without turning SSJ), who turns attention, Gohan unleashes the Kamehameha and everything's over. Don't you mean the former's favor? 
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Dec 10, 2015 21:44
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Covok posted:Yeah, it's a disconnect between Manga and anime that really causes some confusions. Same thing with how other world is handled. Why do you think he actually had Dodoria and Zarbon around?
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Dec 10, 2015 22:18
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VJeff posted:Don't you mean the former's favor? No, I was thinking about the scene where Gohan is slowly walking forward and Cell is looking scared for some reason, not bothering to do anything to powerup his Kamehameha.
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Dec 10, 2015 22:32
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Covok posted:Yeah, it's a disconnect between Manga and anime that really causes some confusions. Same thing with how other world is handled. Who said Freeza's species needs to sleep.
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Dec 11, 2015 01:05
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Gohan loving sucks and was always lame. He ran away from Nappa of all people
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Dec 11, 2015 01:07
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Covok posted:It does make an interesting question: if people must actively block, why didn't someone kill Frieza in his sleep? Even assuming Frieza needs to sleep it's pretty goddamn hard to kill him. He survived being cut in half and caught in an exploding planet. facebook jihad posted:Gohan loving sucks and was always lame. He ran away from Nappa of all people Nappa killed half the cast of Dragonball on his own including Piccolo.
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Dec 11, 2015 01:07
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And he was loving four.
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