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kant was born in kaliningrad and is therefore clearly russian.Cingulate posted:I'm against suppressing people's political expression, within what the law allows, for e.g. utilitarian reasons. So this is bad. you could easily argue that vandalism w.r.t. nationalist imagery is political expression as well ESPECIALLY with that idiotic disclaimer, so this is clearly not about political expression but about property rights.
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Der Hitler ist tot, Deutschland verrecke, es lebe der Punk!
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botany posted:kant was born in kaliningrad and is therefore clearly russian. Look I'm not friend of property rights, but what's at stake here is literally democracy.
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GaussianCopula posted:We need to eradicate the German identity. This but unironically.
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niethan posted:This but unironically. To be replaced with?
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Cingulate posted:Political expression, like all freedom of expression, does not legitimize violating other's property rights, OR others rights for free expression, indeed. i'm not sure if you're joking, but in case you're serious: I'm reasonably certain we're still a democracy even though somebody broke off a 10 cent polyester flag. [included edit: i once got into a serious argument with somebody who tore down rightwing political election posters. at that point you're legitimately interfering with the democratic process, and in general i'm not okay with that.] i think the question of property rights vs. legitimate political protest has to observe some test of proportionality. I am in general on board with classic leftist 'action against property' type protests, but obviously if I'm dissatisfied with rundfunkgebühren, i'm not going to start burning down warehouses. on the other hand, if germany reopens the concentration camps, i'm not going to break off a piece of plastic on a parking car and think my duty is done. in the case of little plastic flags on cars, both the severity of the protest and the resulting damage are both so miniscule that i find it hard to really give a poo poo, but in general i am in favor of creating a kind of 'culture of unease' for nationalists, so ultimately i don't mind. that was a lot of text for something that may well have been a joke on your part. botany fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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botany posted:i'm not sure if you're joking, but in case you're serious: I'm reasonably certain we're still a democracy even though somebody broke off a 10 cent polyester flag.
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GaussianCopula posted:To be replaced with? A post-national democratic United States of Europe.
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Honj Steak posted:A post-national democratic United States of Europe. I'm all for this idea but the last few years have really pushed the point home for me that humanity isn't ready for post-national anything yet.  Which is kind of a shame. I've always thought that modern Germany is probably the one society in human history that has come closest to something that I would consider "post-national" or just generally "humanist", and it's really saddening to see that progress start to turn back on itself for the sake of the closed-minded and fearful. Can literally feel GaussianCopula rolling his eyes irl Drone fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Honj Steak posted:A post-national democratic United States of Europe. How would this identity differ from the German identity? Just because it has more inhabitants it would be justified?
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yes and the end goal is that all humans either stop giving a poo poo about ~identity~ or at least have a shared identity
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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GaussianCopula posted:To be replaced with? why does it need to be replaced by anything?
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niethan posted:why does it need to be replaced by anything? B-but how will we know who to hate because they're different? 
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Far more interesting, please define this "german identity" that needs to die.
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GaussianCopula posted:To be replaced with? Hair color tribalism. Y'll blondies, stop stealing my drat tax money all the time. My tax money is for schwarzis and brünettos only! 
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While i sympathize with the intent and don't give a gently caress about breaking a cheap flag that flyer is just embarrassing.
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botany posted:kant was born in kaliningrad and is therefore clearly russian. vandalism isn't a germanic national identity?
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icantfindaname posted:vandalism isn't a germanic national identity? Vandals originally came from Poland. Germany did nothing wrong.
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icantfindaname posted:vandalism isn't a germanic national identity? only in the context of soccer games
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Bistromatic posted:While i sympathize with the intent and don't give a gently caress about breaking a cheap flag that flyer is just embarrassing. Offering an in-depth explanation about why you did something trivial is super-German, though.
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botany posted:only in the context of soccer games That picture is from the 2010 WM iirc.
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Infected posted:Far more interesting, please define this "german identity" that needs to die. I know it when I see it
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ArchangeI posted:Offering an in-depth explanation about why you did something trivial is super-German, though. Especially when you try to claim the moral high ground or can tell someone they did something wrong.
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Infected posted:Far more interesting, please define this "german identity" that needs to die. Well, according to D&D, the unwashed masses, the great majority of germans are all closeted nazis. It's in their genes after all, in their heritage, they simply can't help it. They may have managed to hide it for 2 or 3 generations, but now the eternal german is coming out again, grabbing with greedy fingers to take all of europes riches for itself. The last bastion of humanity standing in it's way, the last line of defence is the brave order of "Hochschulabsolventen der Geisteswissenschaften", shooting zingers from the ramparts of their ivory tower at the non-university educated subhumans below. The heroes only support on the ground are auxiliary troops from the mysterious tribe of "Those With a Y In Their Name", which in the last seventy years have developed a nearly-magical ability to resist nationalistic demagogues, just by having the letter Y in their name. (We can tell that this didn't start before 1945, because a good 5 % of convicted nazi war criminals had a Y in their name and all of them except for one career-soldier had a university degree). In my own opinion, a big part of "german identity" is complaining about and badmouthing everything constantly. Look at the comment section of basically every news article about something positive, one of the first comments will be about how the US/Russia/capitalists/socialists/Pegida/Linke or anyone else will unfairly profit from this or have set it up for their own evil gain. If this is the "german identity" meant to die, I concur, even if it means we'd have pre-2009 levels of german posters in D&D.  quote:Cingulate posted: goethe42 fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Dec 11, 2015 |
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Bit early to be drunk, I think.
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botany posted:Bit early to be drunk, I think. How typically German, just criticizing without any positivity...
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frankenfreak posted:How typically German, just criticizing without any positivity... I have Y in my username, I think I'm good.
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goethe42 posted:The last bastion of humanity standing in it's way, the last line of defence is the brave order of "Hochschulabsolventen der Geisteswissenschaften", shooting zingers from the ramparts of their ivory tower at the non-university educated subhumans below. Well all the engineers are either off joining isis or some fascist party, so all that stands between us and tyranny is some undergraduate's rambling misinterpretation of Adorno.  quote:The heroes only support on the ground are auxiliary troops from the mysterious tribe of "Those With a Y In Their Name", which in the last seventy years have developed a nearly-magical ability to resist nationalistic demagogues, just by having the letter Y in their name. (We can tell that this didn't start before 1945, because a good 5 % of convicted nazi war criminals had a Y in their name and all of them except for one career-soldier had a university degree). poo poo, looks like the seventy year period has come to an end and a new era of fascism is upon us. Pack it in, boys.
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goethe42 posted:In my own opinion, a big part of "german identity" is complaining about and badmouthing everything constantly
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Si(e)gmar Gabriel just got re-elected as head of the SPD with 74,2% of the vote. He literally just said, and I quote, "So is Läbben in der Demokratie". Next elections are going to loving own
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Looks like the SPD did not only fail to use 21th century technology but also elected Siggi Pop with only 74,3% - he was the only candidate for the post of chairman.
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GaussianCopula posted:Looks like the SPD did not only fail to use 21th century technology but also elected Siggi Pop with only 74,3% - he was the only candidate for the post of chairman. So ists Leben in Demokratie
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Even in the DDR we had alternative candidates for office!
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goethe42 posted:In my own opinion, a big part of "german identity" is complaining about and badmouthing everything constantly. Don't steal my austrian identity!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvcpy4WjZMs Ich fand ja den Slogan "weil wir dich lieben" bescheuert. Da ist das hier schon deutlich weniger anbiedernd. Countdown bis zur Lageso-Parodie... 3... 2... 1...
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the gently caress is that
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Wat spät dran damit, wa? Die DSDS-Staffel ist doch schon seit Ewigkeiten vorbei.
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fick die spd ausserdem: jeder sollte sich auf youtube die aktuelle edeka weihnachtswerbung anschaun 34 millionen habens schon gemacht
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:fick die spd https://youtu.be/V6-0kYhqoRo 40,5 Millionen inzwischen.
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holy poo poo
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