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I like a lot of the stuff that Lennart does but I don't believe that he should have free reign to do what the gently caress ever otherwise I'm going to wake up one day with btrfs rammed up my dick and no way to do anything about it if I want no part of that bullshit. The dude has (perhaps justifiably) a siege mentality after the shitshow that was systemd. Systemd won though, and Devuan seems to have hoovered up most of the dissenters so they can repaint their leaky-roofed bikeshed in their own little corner to their hearts' content. He doesn't need to go full tyrant on this one. Trying to ram kdbus upstream by forcing the ABI into systemd builds only to abandon kdbus utterly two months later was a rather poor move, for instance. It's going to win him even fewer friends on LKML.
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Mr Dog posted:Devuan lmfao
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Dec 11, 2015 19:32
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pram posted:lmfao Dear Init Freedom lovers, the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you!
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Dec 11, 2015 19:34
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i think the 2nd best desktop unix, fedora, uses systemd. it seems to work really well even though i'm not sure what it does. i don't see why people have a problem with it. devuan is a dumb name and its pretty disrepectful to both deb and ian, imho.
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Dec 11, 2015 19:36
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Barnyard Protein posted:i think the 2nd best desktop unix, fedora, uses systemd. it seems to work really well even though i'm not sure what it does. i don't see why people have a problem with it. devuan is a dumb name and its pretty disrepectful to both deb and ian, imho. deb and ian are divorced now so i doubt they care
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Dec 11, 2015 19:40
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Mr Dog posted:I like a lot of the stuff that Lennart does but I don't believe that he should have free reign to do what the gently caress ever otherwise I'm going to wake up one day with btrfs rammed up my dick and no way to do anything about it if I want no part of that bullshit. before systemd it was pulseaudio before pulseaudio it was avahi lennart has built his career on "my way or the highway" software projects. also dbus. so much dbus.
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ive never really got the point of avahi. never really seems to work automatically and never bothered to actually try to configure it
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Dec 11, 2015 19:47
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dbus is good though anyway that was more havoc pennington's thing, he was the lennart of 10 years ago except he actually had some diplomatic skills
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Dec 11, 2015 19:51
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Zom Aur posted:ive never really got the point of avahi. never really seems to work automatically and never bothered to actually try to configure it it doesn't do anything and yet turning it off breaks stuff. it's pretty epic
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Dec 11, 2015 19:55
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pram posted:it doesn't do anything and yet turning it off breaks stuff. it's pretty epic i only have it on my home nas so that my samba shares don't show up as the bsod icon in osx
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Dec 11, 2015 20:01
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Zom Aur posted:ive never really got the point of avahi. never really seems to work automatically and never bothered to actually try to configure it $ ssh my-other-computer.local i really like avahi
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Dec 11, 2015 20:43
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you should try using apple operating system x
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Suspicious Dish posted:$ ssh my-other-computer.local setting up Avahi on my first RPi a few years back was so painful one of the things I was pleased to discover in the Yocto distribution that came with my Edison is that it uses mDNSResponder rather than Avahi to implement Zeroconf why use the weird overly-complicated knockoff when you can just use the original? (the same goes for DBus and systemd versus Mach IPC and launchd, of course)
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eschaton posted:one of the things I was pleased to discover in the Yocto distribution that came with my Edison is that it uses mDNSResponder rather than Avahi to implement Zeroconf to be fair apple did the same thing in yosemite 
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pram posted:to be fair apple did the same thing in yosemite and then late in yosemite knifed it in the back and returned to the old poo poo that works, lol
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eschaton posted:one of the things I was pleased to discover in the Yocto distribution that came with my Edison is that it uses mDNSResponder rather than Avahi to implement Zeroconf mdnsresponder is really gross code inside, which is why it didn't catch on. among other things, if you go download the source tarball, it doesn't use autotools or anything. instead it has a separate directory for every "supported" platform. which may or may not have been updated with the changes from the other platforms.
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mdnsresponder is the thing i used to see hogging my cpu when i was on campus wifi, i assume because all my fellow college students had macbooks broadcasting their shared itunes libraries
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Dec 11, 2015 22:59
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Suspicious Dish posted:$ ssh my-other-computer.local usually anything i regularly ssh into is already in my conf together with pubkey auth, so i just do $ ssh mc for my media computer (tbh, even that is very rare now, these days i usually just cast my poo poo)
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Dec 11, 2015 23:35
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:bash and sh are both legacy garbage. you shouldn't be writing scripts in either one i presumed that people still use bash for compatibility with other/legacy systems which shell is the current hipster shell?
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Dec 12, 2015 00:33
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Zom Aur posted:does this do anything that adding hosts in my local ssh conf doesn't? it happens automatically without you having to editing a configuration file, which is generally considered a good thing in non-neckbeard circles it also works properly even if you have a horrible router that ignores dhcp hostnames and dishes out random ip addresses or other poo poo that breaks any static configuration file based solution
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gabensraum posted:i presumed that people still use bash for compatibility with other/legacy systems microsoft, 100% legit truth, poisoned the well by getting powershell right, making it impossible for the linux crowd to admit that adding proper typing, objects in pipes, and an sql-like syntax for pipelines, is the entirely correct route so, yeah, powershell is the current hipste though still pretty next level current hipste
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:microsoft, 100% legit truth, poisoned the well by getting powershell righ loving lol
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i have to use powershell a bit and logically yes it works well but the syntax is hideous, wish it was more like C#.
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Dec 12, 2015 01:02
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pram posted:lmfao i've never heard of Devuan but it's like if a redditor tried to name a linux to appeal to african americans
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Dec 12, 2015 01:07
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ubuntu??
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Soricidus posted:it happens automatically without you having to editing a configuration file, which is generally considered a good thing in non-neckbeard circles i should give it a go if i start using ssh more locally
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Dec 12, 2015 01:07
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pram posted:ubuntu?? that's for africans
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Zom Aur posted:that's true i suppose it's not just ssh, it happens at the dns level so web servers, print servers, etc will also all magically have the right hostnames with no further configuration in fact that's the answer i should have given, nothign but ssh looks at your ~/.ssh/config so it's more comparable to editing /etc/hosts
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i've never heard of Devuan but it's like if a redditor tried to name a linux to appeal to african americans i guess u could say, heh, that its a hip hop operating system
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:microsoft, 100% legit truth, poisoned the well by getting powershell right, making it impossible for the linux crowd to admit that adding proper typing, objects in pipes, and an sql-like syntax for pipelines, is the entirely correct route you have this backwards microsoft saw a bad and stupid thing, and then managed to make it even worse
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my roommate has an Apple AirPort Time Capsule router connected to our cable modem it fails at basically everything a home router is supposed to do
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Soricidus posted:it's not just ssh, it happens at the dns level so web servers, print servers, etc will also all magically have the right hostnames with no further configuration
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Mr Dog posted:my roommate has an Apple AirPort Time Capsule router connected to our cable modem otoh apple has made drat sure that nothing else works at being a time machine
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Dec 12, 2015 18:44
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Mr Dog posted:my roommate has an Apple AirPort Time Capsule router connected to our cable modem probably has it set up wrong. airports own
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notably apple's airport / time capsule products run netbsd, not an osx derivative not even apple trusts osx networking code
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mdnsresponder is bad but discoveryd is worse
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Captain Foo posted:mdnsresponder is bad but discoveryd is worse build one to throw away then return to it again and again because your software engineering practice is poo poo and you can't produce a working replacement
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second system effect lol
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broken clock opsec posted:otoh apple has made drat sure that nothing else works at being a time machine "the milk in this new refrigerator keeps going off but it's got a really good can opener built into the side!" It can't seem to do UPnP at all, or at least neither of us has found the option to turn it on. Manually setting up a port forward requires a 1+ minute long reboot for it to take effect, so Apple AirPort Time Capsule products are officially worse at port forwarding than the shittiest ASUS router you can buy. If you plug an Ethernet cable into it then it takes a long time to notice that anything has been plugged in. WiFi is all well and good but not when you live in the middle of Manhattan and even the 5GHz band is congested to poo poo. IPv6 is hella unreliable in general and you have to turn off the inbound IPv6 firewall to make it better.
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its actually good
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