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Worst case scenario is you found two wires that you thought were the thermostat but were in fact abandoned live wires tied into the household mains, and you electrocute yourself. The correct thing to do is verify exactly what you've got with a multimeter before you jump two unknown wires. Yeah you'll be taking extra time 99% of the time, but in that 1% case, well, maybe it'll save your life.
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While you are correct, you do realize that there's a pretty huge difference between 120/208-230 carrying wires and 24V Tstat wires? Like the biggest wires you'll find in a tstat are 16 gauge or 18 gauge, and also color coded. So if you're loving around with bigger wires than than that in your air handler or thermostat, you already know somethings gone wrong. So in this case you're not jumping out unknown wires, you know what you have and where they run. And the way thermostats are run that's exactly how you do it anyways, you check your colors at the air handler/RTU and then once you find the colors on the Tstat you can jump them out to test the unit. Now line voltage thermostats are a thing, but you'll almost never see on in a residential application, those are pretty much restricted to commercial/industrial settings. Unless you're running your house off of a refrigeration tstat. And in case anyone is wondering, standard Tstat wires are: Red- Is your incoming 24V Green: Goes to the relay for the blower fan Yellow: Controls the compressor contractor White: Controls the heat. Usually the auxiliary heat strips. Orange: Controls the reversing valve solenoid if you have a heat pump. Blue: Is usually your common wire. This is just a general guide though, as which color controls what is up to the installer, so it varies. Also you may have more or less wires depending on your setup.
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I thought about it and figured it was harmless, but I had never seen someone cut into a wire just to see if it's the correct live wire. It caused me to  until I processed it. Then I looked it up and learned it was 24v and mostly harmless. It was a troubleshooting technique I'd never seen before. You don't cut into SpeakONs to see if they're live.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Technically they're bonded inside the main circuit breaker panel. Doing so outside that panel can cause issues, hilarious, painful, fire causing issues. 
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In his case, someone managed to not bond ground, and gently caress up the wiring such that ground and hot are tied together inside the unit. Einey meanie miney welp, gently caress it.
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Actual load bearing drywall:
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MY GIRLFRIEND just explained that she got a really good deal and replacing six windows in her house only cost her about $6k. What the poo poo???
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Maybe they were massive?
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WIndows can get expensive very fast.
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Zhentar posted:WIndows can get expensive very fast. Especially if they're not standard size. I got a quote for my house once, and I think it came out close to $25,000 to replace all the windows.
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AlternateAccount posted:MY GIRLFRIEND just explained that she got a really good deal and replacing six windows in her house only cost her about $6k. What the poo poo??? Not much information to go on. Even small windows can be expensive depending on their exact size (odd size==custom), materials and features. I put a $600+ window in my office because I got it for $35 (brand new, mis-order from a lumber yard). Since it was new construction I could make the rough opening any drat size I wanted. Adn we're not talking about a big window here. Just a custom size wood window/aluminum clad outside with all the tilt in features and stuff. (note: this may gently caress someone later if it needs to be replaced, but I don't plan on being here for that to be my problem by then)
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Crappy Construction Tale: A buddy of mine, paying "friends and relatives" rate, have spent more money on labor to re-do openings in his new house to fit standard Home Depot windows. He just assumed that it would be cheaper than getting custom frames. He was wrong by about $500 and now have lovely windows to show for it.
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AlternateAccount posted:MY GIRLFRIEND just explained that she got a really good deal and replacing six windows in her house only cost her about $6k. What the poo poo??? I got a quote to replace 10 for $25K. Once you get beyond common-size single-pane sliders, it gets expensive fast
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Well they're pretty big standard suburban house Windows. I doubt very seriously that they are custom in any way. They're nice though, double hung double pane and we'll built. Maybe I just don't know what to expect. Kills me to think that they can cost that much.
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AlternateAccount posted:Well they're pretty big standard suburban house Windows. I doubt very seriously that they are custom in any way. They're nice though, double hung double pane and we'll built. Maybe I just don't know what to expect. Kills me to think that they can cost that much. If you're talking about a cookie cutter housing development by a big builder you very well may be looking at special snowflake sizes. Don't discount the volume these companies buy in. They are ordering hundreds if not thousands of windows at the same time.
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AlternateAccount posted:Well they're pretty big standard suburban house Windows. I doubt very seriously that they are custom in any way. They're nice though, double hung double pane and we'll built. Maybe I just don't know what to expect. Kills me to think that they can cost that much. I bought a special order discounted 4' x 8' double hung Pella 350 series vinyl window and the original price was right under 2 grand. A grand per window is not that bad as long as it's not the basic stocked window at HD.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SOOpEXsjc Crappy or cool? I'm going to go with "silly idea, well executed"
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SOOpEXsjc Crappy original construction. Cool fix. This made my laugh. Thank you for this.
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AlternateAccount posted:MY GIRLFRIEND just explained that she got a really good deal and replacing six windows in her house only cost her about $6k. What the poo poo??? I spent roughly twenty six hundred bucks just in materials to replace six windows in my house earlier this year... poo poo adds up fast, especially if you're doing pvc trim on the outside (as everyone should). Between flashing, caulk, trim, galvanized nails, re-framing a few to pull out rotted sections and fit modern windows (which then required new cement fiber siding), not to mention the labor involved, and I still haven't trimmed out the interior, which will probably be another hundred or two... Yeah, windows suck 
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SOOpEXsjc I have this exact problem, and now I have a solution.
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SOOpEXsjc 
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SOOpEXsjc That's loving amazing.
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but what if he wants to open that drawer and the one next to it at the same time??
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Long Francesco posted:but what if he wants to open that drawer and the one next to it at the same time?? Well, to handle that, the one next to it actually swivels out on a hinge at the diagonal drawer end, obviously!
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I prefer to think he did that to all his drawers. An entire kitchen realignment all for one stove handle being in the way.
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Manslaughter posted:I prefer to think he did that to all his drawers. An entire kitchen realignment all for one stove handle being in the way. That would be amazing. Just imagine the look of confusion on the face of any guest trying to figure out where the cutlery is.
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I saw a home today with a standard gutter downspout. The weird thing was at the bottom it hit a 90deg pvc elbow straight into the foundation wall/basement. It was also on the low side of the home. No clear exit elsewhere but I was driving by and did not look too close. Any thoughts on why?
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It probably ties into the weeping tile underground. E: Misread that, if the pipe is going into the house it probably is tied into the sewer. Unless the house has interior weeping tile. A lot of places do not like having weeping tile and gutters tied into the sewer as it increases the cost at the sewer treatment plants. The Gardenator fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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I lived at a place that had a sump pump that pumped into a pipe that went to the storm drains. There was a cleanout for it just outside one corner of the house. The pump would run for a few seconds every day or two during the winter, due to high water table. Since the storm drain line was there, it probably wouldn't have been hard to direct a gutter into it, which would make sense instead of dumping that water into the yard so it could percolate into the dirt and then be pumped back out of the dirt by the sump. There was no such setup but it would have made sense.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I saw a home today with a standard gutter downspout. The weird thing was at the bottom it hit a 90deg pvc elbow straight into the foundation wall/basement. It was also on the low side of the home. No clear exit elsewhere but I was driving by and did not look too close. Any thoughts on why? Was this in Philadelphia, by any chance?
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My downstairs neighbor leaves her bathroom exhaust fan running 24/7/365 and I can slowly hear the bearing giving out. Wonder how many hours of life they design these things for. Hope it doesn't light the building on fire.
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The one in my house stops if left on too long and won't turn on again for a while afterwards, I assume it's got some sort of temperature cut-off. Edit: at least, that's what I hope. Otherwise it's seizing up after about 25-30 minutes and not rotating again until the bearing cools. GotLag fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Every one of those I've ever seen was controlled by the light switch. Usually in a way that they keep going for a few minutes after you've left, but I've had one that was just either both on or both off.
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It is controlled by a switch. I just noticed that when I had a shower immediately after my housemate the fan cut out before I got around to turning it off, and flipping the switch didn't bring it back. After a while it worked again.
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Dec 18, 2015 12:24
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My Lovely Horse posted:Usually in a way that they keep going for a few minutes after you've left
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Yep, Europe. Always made sense to me. You don't want to leave the light on and waste electricity just to keep the bathroom fan going. Are windowless bathrooms common in the US, or is it just an added convenience to have a bathroom fan? Over here I've pretty much only seen it in windowless bathrooms.
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CopperHound posted:I have never seen this in a house. Are you some place other than the US? In the US in older houses you find timer fans sometimes. Usually controlled with a dial on the wall that works exactly like an analog kitchen timer.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Yep, Europe. Always made sense to me. You don't want to leave the light on and waste electricity just to keep the bathroom fan going. In windowless bathrooms in the UK, it's mandatory to have a fan of the kind you describe.
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Jeherrin posted:In windowless bathrooms in the UK, it's mandatory to have a fan of the kind you describe. I've literally never seen one in the US. Most bathrooms have them on separate switches which accomplishes the same general task without leaving you UNABLE to stop the stupid fan.
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