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Nevvy Z posted:How old is he. And then ask him if he's willing to bet his car on it. It was a joke.  Don't tell anybody but I'm prone to hyperbolic exaggeration for humor.The problem is that whenever I make some sort of hyperbolic jab at contemporary conservatism the reality is worse.
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TerminalSaint posted:9/11 wasn't even the first act of radical Islamic terrorism against the WTC. The funniest thing was when Donald Trump tried to claim he had brilliant foresight for predicting in 2000 that Osama Bin-Laden was dangerous.
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Not sure I get this conspiracy theory.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Not sure I get this conspiracy theory. Clinton said gun control only affects law abiding owners and not criminals but dems keep pushing gun control why would they do that????
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A friend posted the "first they came for ___ but I didn't speak up" meme from Col. Tom Moe to which a gun nut friend replied: "You mean to say that having people on a list owned by the government that they deem dangerous but not enough to arrest them is a bad idea. Wait I am pretty sure I have heard of this sort of thing before, somewhere." - Clearly these aren't the same things but I can't articulate why.
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Your personally-operated vehicle is a piece of capital equipment for which you need to have an operator's license, as well as depending on your various levels of government some kind of registration and possibly a check-the-box safety and/or emissions inspection. All of these things are amalgamated and centrally tracked by whichever organization imposes the requirement. The primary (not only) reason for all of that is because it's big and huge and people like to crash them into things, causing injuries and death. One of the central goals of operating a car, though, is to not kill people. I'm a huge fan of having guns and taking them all out at once with friends and target shooting. I find it kind of terrifying, though, that I can just do that. I've often thought of getting a concealed weapons permit, but gently caress me loving sideways I live in America not the god drat third world. For which purpose, I might add, my single shotgun and collection of small-caliber pistols are completely inadequate. I absolutely never want to return to an active conflict zone without military body armor and weapons, armored vehicles, basically as part of a military force; on the other hand I just really love being able to walk around in public, in comfortable clothes and without weapons, smiling at people and being polite instead of being dressed as a green-gray-flavored big city riot cop. Seriously what the gently caress. Why does anyone/everyone need to have guns.
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LonsomeSon posted:.Seriously what the gently caress. Why does anyone/everyone need to have guns. Having a sense of control over their own safety. Have you ever met one of those people that always has to drive themselves?
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Yeah the anti-tyranny militia thing doesn't really...work...anymore. I mean, we have loving UAVs now that bomb poo poo while humans who are controlling them are far and away. Which is loving terrifying if you think about it, we're basically a sci-fi villain made flesh. What could a militia possibly hope to do against that? I wouldn't repeal the 2nd, responsible gun owners are cool people, but there definitely needs to be some more barriers between a person and a gun. I think we can all, at least in broad strokes, agree on that.
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SSNeoman posted:Yeah the anti-tyranny militia thing doesn't really...work...anymore. Unless you're Iraqi, anyway.
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SSNeoman posted:Yeah the anti-tyranny militia thing doesn't really...work...anymore. I mean, we have loving UAVs now that bomb poo poo while humans who are controlling them are far and away. Which is loving terrifying if you think about it, we're basically a sci-fi villain made flesh. Unfortunately thanks to the gun lobby and the NRA a great many people believe that there should be literally no barriers at all between people and any weapon they want.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Unfortunately thanks to the gun lobby and the NRA a great many people believe that there should be literally no barriers at all between people and any weapon they want.
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SSNeoman posted:I wouldn't repeal the 2nd, responsible gun owners are cool people, but there definitely needs to be some more barriers between a person and a gun. I think we can all, at least in broad strokes, agree on that. Most people are responsible gun owners right until the moment they start shooting at fleeing shoplifters in a Home Depot carpark or they shoot a guy for texting in a movie theatre or they fill a sportsbag up with spare magazines and light up their workplace/school/shopping mall.
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Well, when the only tool you have is a hammer... Guns work the same way.
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SSNeoman posted:Yeah the anti-tyranny militia thing doesn't really...work...anymore. I mean, we have loving UAVs now that bomb poo poo while humans who are controlling them are far and away. Which is loving terrifying if you think about it, we're basically a sci-fi villain made flesh. I dunno, ask ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or any other modern insurgency. The thing the argument you're making always fails to realize is if we get to the point of actual civilian insurgency things will have gone beyond the point of a simple old guy with AR 15 attempting to face the US military in open conflict. Look at places like Northern Ireland, the IRA was never going to defeat the British military but was able to create enough pressure that eventually the British gave certain concessions to them in exchange for a ceasefire.
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The USA is a constitutional democracy, actually amending the constitution takes a supermajority of Americans. If that happened, no insurgency of fat redneck gun-nuts is going to have the support of the population nor large enough defections from the military to make an insurgency sustainable. They will fold like a cheap tent, just like the last time the good old boys promised "massive resistance" and swore that "all the bayonets in the army wouldn't be enough to integrate the south" but they collapsed without firing a shot when the 101st showed up.
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Armyman25 posted:I dunno, ask ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or any other modern insurgency. The thing the argument you're making always fails to realize is if we get to the point of actual civilian insurgency things will have gone beyond the point of a simple old guy with AR 15 attempting to face the US military in open conflict. Look at places like Northern Ireland, the IRA was never going to defeat the British military but was able to create enough pressure that eventually the British gave certain concessions to them in exchange for a ceasefire. At best we'd get some suicide by cop blaze of glory guys, maybe a bunch of tactilols ostensibly following an inept but charismatic Chris Kyle type with the right credentials, each trying to prove themselves the baddest most government hatingest patriot rather than achieve any objective. ...brb I think I thought of a best selling novel just now
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Jurgan posted:Why do you think your idea "could actually pass?" In 2013, when there was a major push for gun control, the NRA and their people spared no expense in crushing every legislative response, no matter how minor. Obama and the Democrats offered all sorts of compromises and they were shot down, just like with health care reform. You really think Wayne LaPierre is going to say "oh, Verge's idea is fine, let's go with it?" They aren't going to compromise, no matter what. 90% of Americans are on board with background checks already, but those who are opposed will oppose any gun control measure, no matter how reasonable it may be. Compromising is great, but it only is possible if both sides are working in good faith to solve a problem. The NRA and their allies have no interest in a compromise, so nothing you suggest will get them to come around. Maybe they were holding out for compromises on the other end, like making the 2nd amendment inalienable in any city (looking at you, NY) or giving us banana clips back. Why should we allow ANY gun control when silly laws keep us from certain rights we see as basic are kept on the books. Basically: we'll release our proverbial prisoners if you release yours.
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I don't think it's fair to say that an insurgency or really anything is impossible or "just not going to happen" in the US. An organized rebellion could whip a ton of overweight pasty armchair generals into shape in a matter of months, and don't pretend there's not enough delusional support for some of the more extreme ideologies here.
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Another week, another EXTREMELY PISSED OFF RIGHT WINGERS Let's not start with the guns this week, ok?  Good morning, mountaintop. I will defend you from very physically fit terrorists!  HE KNOWS   Ok a donkey on a dinghy is funny  Cowboy hat  Obama: Kenya  Obama: literally the leader of ISIS  Obama: bringing ISIS here on purpose. Look even he is laughing at your dumb conspiracy  Thus by a constant shifting of rhetorical focus... I do think the training wheels are a nice touch.  Obama: not president. I really feel like there's something to unpack here. It's not straight denialism. It's not the Bush era "Not My President" thing (no one, if asked, would be like 'no, Bush is not president of the US he is the head of Al-Qaeda')  This was posted in context, either guess what it was or just look at a cute kitty and he balls  BBUURRRHGHH DERRRRR  Oh please, the government slobs the knob of Small Business Except when it's more convenient to slob the knob of Big Business--you know what, nevermind  Weren't we just discussing the pallets of cashmoney that went poof in Iraq? They could have used some of that to pay for the war imho  Now in macro form   Either you're with Trump or you're on food stamps.  Uh that's an awful lot of muslims in India, hoss.  God I hate this particular meme but at least they did the construction correctly.  Right, sweetie, and if he should ever be under suspicion for a crime, I would hope that cops wouldn't summarily execute him by shooting a dozen times in the street. But unlike some people's daddies he doesn't have to worry about that, now does he?  I swear, we should wrap homeboy in copper and hook him up to a generator.  Teddy  o rly?  Ask you to donate an extra $3 for public campaign financing? Thanks for your patriotism  So. Close.  another good one. The comments were split between NO SHOOT EVERYTHING ALWAYS and Haha, libs have this sign on their door  Shouts to the liberal armed forces people I see ITT. Keep fighting the good fight  Conservatives are like a poorly thought out simile  Oh hay it's Rand! Which reminds me, is Santorum still running?  Merry Christmas  Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!  Picture of carrion birds Spoiler for an eagle eating a duck.   Your an American citizen! Speak English  Misogyny!  Miiiiiiisogyny!  Most rapes are committed by men women already know  That poor woman  He also said he would happily put up Syrian refugees in his house, so there's that  Dammit I should have saved the "don't feed the birds" macro to post with this.  Swear allegiance to the instagram filter
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Defenestration posted:Dammit I should have saved the "don't feed the birds" macro to post with this. No, see, it's different when it's charity because,
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VitalSigns posted:The USA is a constitutional democracy, actually amending the constitution takes a supermajority of Americans. If that happened, no insurgency of fat redneck gun-nuts is going to have the support of the population nor large enough defections from the military to make an insurgency sustainable. The level of support or possible support in the US wasn't my point. It's that the characterization of resistance to the government as a TEA part rally lining up on their scooters in a Charge of the Light Brigade re-enactment against the 1st Infantry Division is as much of a straw man as anything in the Right Wing fwds.
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Defenestration posted:
I'm glad you caught that too. I literally laughed out loud when I saw that meme.
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For some reason this showed up in my Pages You May Like despite me pretty much only belonging to democratic socialist political pages on FB. Also, look through the notes and their comments for the real fun. Actual linked article title: FOR AMERICANS OPERATING AS FLAG WAVING PROPERTY OF THE KHAZARIAN / CABAL MAFIA CONTROLLED D.C. UNITED STATES CORPORATION!
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Flags, Fancy Hats, and Liberty! A Platform For We The People.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm glad you caught that too. I literally laughed out loud when I saw that meme. hahaha
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Helen Highwater posted:Most people are responsible gun owners right until the moment they start shooting at fleeing shoplifters in a Home Depot carpark or they shoot a guy for texting in a movie theatre or they fill a sportsbag up with spare magazines and light up their workplace/school/shopping mall.
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Defenestration posted:
Except Carter's orders only applied to Iranians, and it wasn't based on religion. So remove that "Shiite Muslims" part. There were also a bunch of exceptions for humanitarian reasons.
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Defenestration posted:
Federal funding for food, housing, health care, dental, etc. should be provided to all citizens. A surprisingly progressive macro.
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SedanChair posted:Michael Moore has a beautiful house I didn't know he offered to put up Syrian refugees in his house.  Mind you, there's probably some legitimate beefs with his ideas and the manner in which he presents them that even leftists can agree on.
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Defenestration posted:
 this loving map.The Andaman Islands are the size of Nepal, Yemen is part of Saudi Arabia and Istanbul is in Bulgaria. The best part is, even after painting almost all of India Muslim controlled, they still forgot majority Muslim areas on the map. Defenestration posted:
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Defenestration posted:
From people who actually worship an actor that was elected president quote:
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Armyman25 posted:I dunno, ask ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or any other modern insurgency. The thing the argument you're making always fails to realize is if we get to the point of actual civilian insurgency things will have gone beyond the point of a simple old guy with AR 15 attempting to face the US military in open conflict. Look at places like Northern Ireland, the IRA was never going to defeat the British military but was able to create enough pressure that eventually the British gave certain concessions to them in exchange for a ceasefire. Well then you don't need guns, do you, you need to stockpile explosives, which is nearly impossible in modern America.
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Verge posted:Maybe they were holding out for compromises on the other end, like making the 2nd amendment inalienable in any city (looking at you, NY) or giving us banana clips back. Why should we allow ANY gun control when silly laws keep us from certain rights we see as basic are kept on the books. Basically: we'll release our proverbial prisoners if you release yours. Lemme get this straight - we're at the point where gun laws are so lax that we are seeing daily mass shootings across America, and in the face of that, your response to trying to stop it is "what's in it for me"? babies havin rabies posted:I don't think it's fair to say that an insurgency or really anything is impossible or "just not going to happen" in the US. An organized rebellion could whip a ton of overweight pasty armchair generals into shape in a matter of months, and don't pretend there's not enough delusional support for some of the more extreme ideologies here. I'd be willing to bet money that any armchair general would quit on day two of an intense exercise regime. They are without a doubt the whiniest bunch of babies on the planet. Any slight discomfort is unbearable for them - that's why they see a milquetoast liberal leading them as a huge affront to FREEDOM, so having to do any amount of exercise will meet the same zero threshold for discomfort, effort or sacrifice. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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