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What are the odds they print a Surge card that turns out to be broken in Storm decks?
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I want 2R deal one damage, surge 1R, if its surge cost was paid, put it back into your hand.
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Dec 12, 2015 16:19
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Kabanaw posted:Urborg doesn't remove any ability from any cards, basic or nonbasic, typed or untyped. Blood moon does it to nonbasics by turning them into Mountains, but Urborg says "in addition to its other types", which means they gain the ability to tap for {B} but don't lose anything. Also important to note, wastes have no type, so you can't give cards the ability to tap for {C} by giving them some Waste type. Wastes tap for {C} the same way Fertile Thicket taps for {G}. I don't know for certain that the new rules are that Wastes produce {C} because basic lands without a land type just automatically produce {C}. However, if they are, then Urborg does shut it off. Wastes doesn't have a type or any text at all, so just making it a Swamp means it no longer qualifies as a basic land without a land type and cannot tap for {C}. They could just make it so Wastes taps for {C} as rules text though.
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Dec 12, 2015 16:26
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Myriad Truths posted:I don't know for certain that the new rules are that Wastes produce {C} because basic lands without a land type just automatically produce {C}. However, if they are, then Urborg does shut it off. Wastes doesn't have a type or any text at all, so just making it a Swamp means it no longer qualifies as a basic land without a land type and cannot tap for {C}. That isn't the rule. Waste is just a Basic Land, without a type, and the text "T: Add C to your mana pool." No new rule about basic lands without a type. If you have Urborg, it just has "T: Add C to your mana pool." and "T: Add B to your mana pool." (or just "T: Add C or B to your mana pool.")
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Dec 12, 2015 16:30
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Serperoth posted:That isn't the rule. Waste is just a Basic Land, without a type, and the text "T: Add C to your mana pool." No new rule about basic lands without a type. If you have Urborg, it just has "T: Add C to your mana pool." and "T: Add B to your mana pool." (or just "T: Add C or B to your mana pool.") Okay, that's fine then. I saw a post earlier saying that the rules got changed and couldn't find a conclusive statement one way or the other.
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Dec 12, 2015 16:35
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Myriad Truths posted:Okay, that's fine then. I saw a post earlier saying that the rules got changed and couldn't find a conclusive statement one way or the other. The actual rules changes won't be until OGW is nearly out, they post the full comp rules changes near the prerelease date. Presumably, though, the rules manager isn't interested in making it so basics without types tap for colorless mana, because that would undoubtedly add complications that making wastes a basic, non-artifact, destructible darksteel citadel won't.
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Dec 12, 2015 16:52
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OGW art is already better than BFZ.
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Dec 12, 2015 16:53
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I think my favorite part of Crush of Tentacles is that the octopus is crushing It That Betrays.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:00
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Trying to play Magic Puzzle Quest, finished Nissas tutorial and it tells me to go to the vault for my free booster. But the only ones there, I have to pay for. I can't go anywhere else in the game until I claim my free pack, which isn't there or isn't free. Anyone else have this problem?
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Dec 12, 2015 17:03
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I will give one concession to the "this might be bad" crowd: even though the mechanic should work pretty well in practice, it's entirely possible that wizards does a bad enough job that they decide to kill the mechanic I hope they didn't, because another dimension of deck building that causes people to use utility lands instead of just jamming the best duals in the format could be pretty interesting
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Dec 12, 2015 17:09
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Night Danger Moose posted:Trying to play Magic Puzzle Quest, finished Nissas tutorial and it tells me to go to the vault for my free booster. But the only ones there, I have to pay for. I can't go anywhere else in the game until I claim my free pack, which isn't there or isn't free. Anyone else have this problem? Also, I have put all my points into leveling up Chandra rather than buying packs and the game is very easy because she gets "deal 2 damage to a creature" activated ability allowing you to remove most creatures without spending a card. And it levels up later to 3 damage.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:32
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Serperoth posted:What "baggage" is there? The clarification that Sol Ring makes colourless, and not mana of any colour? The existence of a new mana symbol and rules surrounding it. It's only really a problem if they just use it as a dumb Eldrazi flavor gimmick and then abandon it. Then you're left with another piece of rules baggage like Banding, Flanking, Rampage, or old bad templating -- stuff that won't affect the day to day but will creep into someone's EDH game, have to be known for the sake of a single card if it becomes legacy playable, etc. If it just becomes an ordinary part of the everyday Magic design space, I don't see any problem.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:41
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Boco_T posted:I assume it just means it gave you the points to buy whatever one you're supposed to buy. Just pay for it, you get enough points for a booster after each story battle you win.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:43
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Is there anyone who enjoys listening to Randy Buehler do commentary? Also, aren't you not allowed to put that Khans sign on top of your deck in Professional REL? mcmagic fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Dec 12, 2015 17:45
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mcmagic posted:Is there anyone who enjoys listening to Randy Buehler do commentary? Enjoy? No. Tolerate? No. Survive? Barely.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:50
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The existence of a new mana symbol and rules surrounding it. It's only really a problem if they just use it as a dumb Eldrazi flavor gimmick and then abandon it. Then you're left with another piece of rules baggage like Banding, Flanking, Rampage, or old bad templating -- stuff that won't affect the day to day but will creep into someone's EDH game, have to be known for the sake of a single card if it becomes legacy playable, etc. Good, cause that's what it will be. Colourless mana (the kind that Sol Ring makes) will now be C. They won't use "has to be colourless" mana in costs in every block, just like with Hybrid and so on.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:52
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The existence of a new mana symbol and rules surrounding it. It's only really a problem if they just use it as a dumb Eldrazi flavor gimmick and then abandon it. Then you're left with another piece of rules baggage like Banding, Flanking, Rampage, or old bad templating -- stuff that won't affect the day to day but will creep into someone's EDH game, have to be known for the sake of a single card if it becomes legacy playable, etc. The creation of this mana symbol is designed as a way to make the game easier to understand, not wholly as a way to support a particular mechanic. If the mechanic stays in this set, that's fine by me because the mana symbol is perfectly useful by itself.
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Dec 12, 2015 17:55
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Nehru the Damaja posted:The existence of a new mana symbol and rules surrounding it. It's only really a problem if they just use it as a dumb Eldrazi flavor gimmick and then abandon it. Then you're left with another piece of rules baggage like Banding, Flanking, Rampage, or old bad templating -- stuff that won't affect the day to day but will creep into someone's EDH game, have to be known for the sake of a single card if it becomes legacy playable, etc. But it isn't baggage. Stuff taps for colorless all the time.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:00
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The Seance hilarity/weirdness continues. Also between colorless stuff for tron and Surge for storm, some nice things may be coming out of Oath. I already like it more than the whole of BFZ and we have only ~4 cards spoiled so far.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:02
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Angry Grimace posted:But it isn't baggage. Stuff taps for colorless all the time.  I do think it's important that people clearly delineate between "colorless" and "generic." Generic mana and its costs is what any source of mana can create. Colorless is not. People are getting tripped up by this simple thing. It's really weird.In addition to fun new counters that require you to pay in <>, they can start using it for sweet kicker-style bonuses too. It's a whole lot of space, people. FOW barely tapped its potential.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:11
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It's actually really smart to the point I don't get why it wasn't in BFZ over dumb Devoid. It looks and feels like it changes the game while in reality not doing anything new at all.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:15
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Oath confirmed garbage (larger pic):
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Dec 12, 2015 18:23
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Angry Grimace posted:It's actually really smart to the point I don't get why it wasn't in BFZ over dumb Devoid. The only upside I see is that you would be able to find all your good colorless spells early on in draft and have support for them later with BFZ. Like maybe the +0/+1 buffer dude becomes actually useful. The funniest thing is if this, combined with the dumb 2HG gimmick, means both standard and draft decline in popularity while modern
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Dec 12, 2015 18:28
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Skyl3lazer posted:Oath confirmed garbage (larger pic): the flavour on this makes no sense
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Dec 12, 2015 18:34
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The giant octopus pulls everything beneath the waves (into players' hands) and if you surge the octopus comes out to play. It's not perfect, but mass bounce has been flavored as tidal waves/deep sea creatures before.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:36
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Chill la Chill posted:The only upside I see is that you would be able to find all your good colorless spells early on in draft and have support for them later with BFZ. Like maybe the +0/+1 buffer dude becomes actually useful. The funniest thing is if this, combined with the dumb 2HG gimmick, means both standard and draft decline in popularity while modern Anecdata yeah, but I got the impression this was already happening with 700 dollar standard decks?
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Dec 12, 2015 18:39
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whydirt posted:The giant octopus pulls everything beneath the waves (into players' hands) and if you surge the octopus comes out to play. It's not perfect, but mass bounce has been flavored as tidal waves/deep sea creatures before. Yeah but "Surge" in the context of that card is super blue flavored, which is weird since I'd assume its in at least 2 colors (probably 3?) Also I hate this mechanic, but I dont know if it's just because I hated splice so much.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:41
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Death Bot posted:Anecdata yeah, but I got the impression this was already happening with 700 dollar standard decks? For standard, yeah. Right now I've seen people shifting to draft if they don't have modern decks. This might be a funny 3-8 shot if it dunks draft too. OTOH, decrease in player turnout might mean a later "surge" in numbers again. Bright side!  E: 1-2 seems p light. 3-8 seems more appropriate Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Dec 12, 2015 18:44
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Surge will almost certainly be in all 5 colors, but I'd bet it's probably centered in U/W like awaken was or maybe in U/R for limited.
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Dec 12, 2015 18:46
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Surge is basically mini-storm, so I imagine it's focused in UR.
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Dec 12, 2015 19:16
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Entropic posted:What are the odds they print a Surge card that turns out to be broken in Storm decks? Storm Surge (R) Surge (R) Add R to you mana pool. If the Surge cost was paid, instead add RRR to you mana pool A storm is coming
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Dec 12, 2015 19:20
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logis posted:Storm Surge (R) But is it instant speed???
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Dec 12, 2015 19:22
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logis posted:Storm Surge (R) Make modern storm good again 
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Dec 12, 2015 19:29
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I hope that Surge will give Jeskai Tokens one last hurrah
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Dec 12, 2015 19:38
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mcmagic posted:Also, aren't you not allowed to put that Khans sign on top of your deck in Professional REL? I don't think you're allowed to do that at any REL except maybe FNM? You're supposed to use something like a die.
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Dec 12, 2015 19:42
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Barry Shitpeas posted:I hope that Surge will give Jeskai Tokens one last hurrah Expect at least one red spell with Surge: Does X damage plus X, and a white spell with Surge: Untap all creatures you control. The black one will be Sacs and the Green one will be something dumb or whatever like giving a creature trample or something.
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Dec 12, 2015 19:45
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Im this scg players champs video where we want to show that all our players are inartiuclate. alternatively pete and ben were cutting up onions in the room.
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Dec 12, 2015 20:05
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Also this teammate poo poo is nonsense. Designing cards for made up formats that exist so people can open twice as many prerelease packs is dumb.
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Dec 12, 2015 20:34
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Is it even legal to play both heads of a 2HG? I don't think people open twice as many packs, they just make an affiliation with somebody else that is opening packs. And since it's hard to organize, they do it very infrequently, at that.
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Dec 12, 2015 20:51
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Angry Grimace posted:Also this teammate poo poo is nonsense. 24 people playing the 1v1 swiss format at prerelease is 24 prerelease sets being opened. 24 people playing a 2HG event is still 24 prerelease sets being opened.
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Dec 12, 2015 20:54
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