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Dating back to Terminator 2: How do T-1000s travel through time? They aren't covered with living tissue like the Arnold models are; they're pure metal.
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Dec 12, 2015 02:56
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rydiafan posted:Dating back to Terminator 2: How do T-1000s travel through time? They aren't covered with living tissue like the Arnold models are; they're pure metal. Everything about the terminator time machine is batshit and anyone seriously arguing about is in fact, a terminator. Why can't humans wear wool clothing? It's organic? Your hair is dead tissue, why doesn't Kyle Reese come in bald? Irrational irritation. More naked Kelly C. is good though.
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Dec 12, 2015 03:02
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syscall girl posted:In Terminator Genisys, I guess I should spoil this too, Your understanding of brakes is 100% correct, and this situation happening in other movies has come up before. But if you've seen any of the Fast and Furious movies you know that there isn't a single loving person in Hollywood who understands or cares to understand how motor vehicles work. There's nothing that you can do to make your engine blow its manifold, unless the manifold was a faulty piece of poo poo to start with. Nitrous oxide doesn't make your car have a higher top speed, it just makes it accelerate faster. Nitrous oxide also doesn't explode because the car is on fire; it needs to be injected into a very hot, high-pressure environment (like a combustion cylinder) to make it burn. Also, it's nitrous oxide - NOS is a brand name. And if your floor is falling out because you're going fast, your car is a loving deathtrap.
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Dec 12, 2015 03:44
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Memento posted:Your understanding of brakes is 100% correct, and this situation happening in other movies has come up before. But if you've seen any of the Fast and Furious movies you know that there isn't a single loving person in Hollywood who understands or cares to understand how motor vehicles work. I consider it a continued missed opportunity in those movies to not have characters break down into giggle fits whenever a Nitrous Oxide canister leaks gas in their car or general area.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:36
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rydiafan posted:Dating back to Terminator 2: How do T-1000s travel through time? They aren't covered with living tissue like the Arnold models are; they're pure metal. Memento posted:Your understanding of brakes is 100% correct, and this situation happening in other movies has come up before. But if you've seen any of the Fast and Furious movies you know that there isn't a single loving person in Hollywood who understands or cares to understand how motor vehicles work.
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Dec 12, 2015 09:54
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My Lovely Horse posted:Didn't they explain it by their ability to mimick living tissue? My irrationally irritating moment in Genisys is when Arnie becomes a T-1000. If the T-1000s have a processor in them, where does it go when that one spreads itself really thin across the hospital floor in T2?
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Dec 12, 2015 10:12
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My Lovely Horse posted:Incidentally, Fury Road got this right. Is there anything it didn't?
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Dec 12, 2015 10:22
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Pilchenstein posted:Terminator 2 only really makes any sense if you consider the T-1000 to be alive. That's how it time travels, that's why it keeps its own face instead of taking the cop's at the start, that's why shooting it slows it down, etc. I don't think the original T1000 was meant to have a processor, but it also can't have spread itself that thin. You'd need a football field to accommodate a the mass of a an spread 1mm thick. I always assumed it went to a couple of inches minimum and banked on nlbody noticing the uneven floor.
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Dec 12, 2015 10:33
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jabby posted:I don't think the original T1000 was meant to have a processor, but it also can't have spread itself that thin. You'd need a football field to accommodate a the mass of a an spread 1mm thick. I always assumed it went to a couple of inches minimum and banked on nlbody noticing the uneven floor. The novelisation says that the T-1000 doesn't have a centralised processor, but its cells are connected together electrically in a way that duplicates the function. That's also why when pieces of it are removed they can move of their own volition; each is basically a mini-1000 in its own right, albeit without enough storage space to be anything other than a silver blob or to do anything other than find its way back to the main mass. Presumably this connection is sufficiently like Reese's "field generated by a living organism" that time travel is possible. Either way, don't think too hard about it. According to the novel even Skynet doesn't really know what it did and it's also absolutely uncertain about using the T-1000 because it can't control the T-1000. That "field generated by a living organism" remark from the first movie also explains most of the other queries enough to handwave on the basis that Reese admitted he didn't know exactly how it worked either. John Connor's tech staff might have sent him back naked because the T-800s in the facility were stored naked and it's not like Skynet would keep period clothing about for its infiltrators when they could simply take it on arrival, so they simply assumed that was how it had to be. After all they were on a short clock and probably didn't have time to work it out.
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Dec 12, 2015 11:07
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Yeah, Reese literally says he doesn't know "tech stuff". T1 was on the TV here the other day, and my dad was irritated by people being chased always having to spend time looking back instead of just running. Which isn't so irrational I guess. Still a fantastic movie, though. Holds up like a motherfucker.
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Dec 12, 2015 12:08
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T-1000 seems like a good setup for a cool scifi horror moment. They could have skynet harvesting skin from humans to make a time travel bag for liquid metal guy, or maybe inject an unwilling human's bloodstream full of it and then send him back. And of course have him just loving scream and explode upon arrival.
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Dec 12, 2015 12:55
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Light Gun Man posted:T-1000 seems like a good setup for a cool scifi horror moment. They could have skynet harvesting skin from humans to make a time travel bag for liquid metal guy, or maybe inject an unwilling human's bloodstream full of it and then send him back. And of course have him just loving scream and explode upon arrival. That WOULD be pretty cool
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Dec 12, 2015 13:01
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Josef bugman posted:Is there anything it didn't? I mean if you're going to get all nitpicky, you could point out that having someone use your shoulder as a mount to fire an SKS from would basically render you deaf for several hours. But gently caress that, movie was awesome and broke immersion exactly zero times.
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Dec 12, 2015 13:35
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My Lovely Horse posted:Incidentally, Fury Road got this right. In blanking. When did air brakes come up in Fury Road? Was it when Nux uncoupled the fuel pod?
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Dec 12, 2015 23:39
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Who What Now posted:Amon was a "psychic bloodbender", meaning he could control the moisture in people's bodies without actually moving his own. He's paralyzingly his victims, meaning even if they could breathe fire or whatever they simply can't because their body won't respond. Duuuuuuh. I'm so stupid.
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Dec 12, 2015 23:53
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rydiafan posted:In blanking. When did air brakes come up in Fury Road? Was it when Nux uncoupled the fuel pod? Yep, he pulled the brake line, which correctly caused the brakes on the pod to lock up.
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Dec 12, 2015 23:59
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Light Gun Man posted:T-1000 seems like a good setup for a cool scifi horror moment. They could have skynet harvesting skin from humans to make a time travel bag for liquid metal guy, or maybe inject an unwilling human's bloodstream full of it and then send him back. And of course have him just loving scream and explode upon arrival. There was a Terminator comic ( can't remember the name but I think it might have been one of the Robocop vs. Terminator ones) where they sort of do this. Since they can't get their fancy future weapons sent back in time they take a bunch of human prisoners, open them up and shove a bunch of weapons inside them. Then they close them up and time travel them before they die. Time travel loop holes are the best.
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Dec 13, 2015 00:02
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Memento posted:I mean if you're going to get all nitpicky, you could point out that having someone use your shoulder as a mount to fire an SKS from would basically render you deaf for several hours. But gently caress that, movie was awesome and broke immersion exactly zero times. True, but yeah I was planning on going on seeing Avengers after seeing it and just decided that "nope, that was much better than Avengers could be"
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Dec 13, 2015 00:44
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Why did the writers even concoct the time travel only works on living tissue idea? They already established that Terminators looked human for infiltration purposes to begin with, so they can't use it as an excuse for fleshy Terminators. And a Terminator is more than capable of procuring weapons on site, so using it as an excuse to keep them from showing up armed to the teeth doesn't work either. Even as a plot excuse to make it more difficult to send future tech back in time doesn't work since they circumvent this at every opportunity throughout the franchise. The entire idea doesn't hold up to any reasonable scrutiny and just seems like the writers threw it in there to arbitrarily make time travel more complicated. Or Cameron just wanted an plot-supported excuse to put Arnold's bare rear end on the big screen. Esroc has a new favorite as of 10:37 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 10:35
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Esroc posted:Why did the writers even concoct the time travel only works on living tissue idea? 
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Dec 13, 2015 10:44
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The idea goes all the way back to the first movie, so I'm guessing it's mostly "the only way we're shooting this within the budget is if we only use contemporary weapons and not spend a bunch of the FX cash on future gun props, we need that for the awesome skeleton".
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Dec 13, 2015 11:00
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Josef bugman posted:"Finishing in the dining hall, Harry and Ron turn their wands on themselves" idk if its from Boyle his self or the other thing, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5YFJ0zsZnw I cannot figure out how to make it play at a special time. Just saying Frankie makes that joke about 5:50 of that clip. Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 11:55 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 11:04
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Your Gay Uncle posted:There was a Terminator comic ( can't remember the name but I think it might have been one of the Robocop vs. Terminator ones) where they sort of do this. Since they can't get their fancy future weapons sent back in time they take a bunch of human prisoners, open them up and shove a bunch of weapons inside them. Then they close them up and time travel them before they die. Time travel loop holes are the best. As I recall, one Terminator in the TV series was sent back with a gun embedded into its leg.
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Dec 13, 2015 11:48
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Snapchat A Titty posted:idk if its from Boyle his self or the other thing, but: Definitely Boyle.
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Dec 13, 2015 12:01
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Josef bugman posted:Definitely Boyle. hes a worldwide treasure
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Dec 13, 2015 12:07
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Esroc posted:Why did the writers even concoct the time travel only works on living tissue idea? The first Terminator is James Cameron attempting to tell a futuristic story on a very small budget, and is a prime example of how visionary directors work best with limitations.
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Dec 13, 2015 13:01
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So who would win, a Terminator or a xenomorph? I never understood why Weyland-Yutani wanted to capture those fuckers. It's not like you can train them, or safely contain them, or even loving shoot them safely. You can, I imagine, get a dropshipment of the eggs and leave them on a planet you want to gently caress up, but presumably you want the planet afterword, so you are faced with trying to nuke the poo poo out of it, or dealing with escape ships carrying more xenos offworld. Though to be fair, using xenos in warefare makes more sense than goddamn raptors.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:31
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Cowslips Warren posted:So who would win, a Terminator or a xenomorph? Why not find out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_versus_Predator_versus_The_Terminator  Basically yeah, I think the goal was to use them as weapons. Or to find out how they grew so quickly and do science with that. In the extended universe of the comics etc, it was because you could make  out of them.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:44
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Cowslips Warren posted:So who would win, a Terminator or a xenomorph? I think the idea was to basically use them to kill everything on the whole drat planet. Presumably the xenos would die after they killed everything, or W-Y would develop some sort of control system to kill them off once they were done. Genetically engineer them to have limited lifespans, or make a virus or something that they all carry that kills them at a certain point, something like that.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:49
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Slime posted:I think the idea was to basically use them to kill everything on the whole drat planet. Presumably the xenos would die after they killed everything, or W-Y would develop some sort of control system to kill them off once they were done. Genetically engineer them to have limited lifespans, or make a virus or something that they all carry that kills them at a certain point, something like that. Literally all of those things were tried
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Dec 13, 2015 15:52
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The only thing that makes sense with the Xenomorphs is if theyre physiology would be a massive breakthrough in different research fields. They would, as has been mentioned, just make terrible terrible uncontrollable weapons.
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Dec 13, 2015 18:22
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Slime posted:I think the idea was to basically use them to kill everything on the whole drat planet. Presumably the xenos would die after they killed everything, or W-Y would develop some sort of control system to kill them off once they were done. Genetically engineer them to have limited lifespans, or make a virus or something that they all carry that kills them at a certain point, something like that. One of the comics shows that they'll self parasitise if there's no other life forms so waiting for them to die off will take a gently caress of a long time. Everything else results in the experimenters getting horribly murdered by aliens.
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Dec 13, 2015 19:23
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A weapon of mass destruction you ultimately can't control, that can't be a metaphor for anything
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Dec 13, 2015 19:39
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Fil5000 posted:Everything else results in the experimenters getting horribly murdered by aliens. Only because they insist on using human experimenters instead of those fancy androids. I suppose the robots would get trashed too but at least it would be manageable.
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Dec 13, 2015 21:11
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Anosmoman posted:Only because they insist on using human experimenters instead of those fancy androids. I suppose the robots would get trashed too but at least it would be manageable. Droids are expensive, humans aren't.
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Dec 13, 2015 21:14
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Lady Naga posted:Droids are expensive, humans aren't. Androids don't give you a free repeat cycle of experiments either.
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Dec 14, 2015 00:08
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Cowslips Warren posted:I never understood why Weyland-Yutani wanted to capture those fuckers. Simple, WY's biotech director has some seriously dark fetishes and came up with the weapon proposal as an excuse to get his/her rocks off
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Dec 14, 2015 03:03
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Nutsngum posted:The only thing that makes sense with the Xenomorphs is if theyre physiology would be a massive breakthrough in different research fields. Admittedly it's been way too long since I've seen the films, but this is what I thought as well. Do they ever explicitly say they want them as bio-weapons? Maybe I just blanked it out. WY just string an alien up and collect its goo to make weird hive furniture.
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Dec 14, 2015 10:25
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ChogsEnhour posted:Admittedly it's been way too long since I've seen the films, but this is what I thought as well. Do they ever explicitly say they want them as bio-weapons? Maybe I just blanked it out. Yes. In Aliens Burke specifically tells Ripley that he wants the alien specimens for the Bio-Weapons Division.
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ChogsEnhour posted:Do they ever explicitly say they want them as bio-weapons? Maybe I just blanked it out. //e: f;b
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