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HEY GAL posted:so, the whole Holy Roman Empire deal is fractal, then? As in every loving thing since Charlemagne hosed up by dividing up his empire among his heirs, it made sense at first. There was a line of Grafen holding the entire Grafschaft KatzeneInbogen but over time there suddenly were two lines and like with Hessen-Kassel, Hoya and many other lands in the HRE, the land was split between both lines, to prevent civil war over who was the real leader. Hoya ended up split, reunified when the older line died out and was later consumed by the Herzogtum Celle when both lines died out. Hessen-Kassel got split and then reunified thanks to one of the Landgrafen being on the right side of the 30-Years-War. KatzeneInbogen is a confusing mess, though. The lines split, then one line gets taken over by Hessen-Kassel but not the other and the entire Grafschaft is apparently a third, different deal altogether. A fractal deal indead. Then Napoleon used his quantum powers to stomp all over it. FAUXTON posted:You might say he gave him the schaft Don't worry, I've taken the piss with him so much he should be drowning by now, but he still doesn't get it. I give up.
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Can we just briefly mention that Katzenelnbogen translates to cat's elbow and that this is a very stupid name since cats don't have elbows, they have knees? 2/10 would not annex
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Dec 13, 2015 04:01
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So here's an oceanography nerdery question for the submarine-inclined in the thread: how relevant is the SOFAR channel in sub warfare, past and present? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel Since the density of water (and therefore speed of sound) is dependent on depth/pressure and temperature, this creates a waveguide of sorts at a specific depth across the global ocean. I was told in several ocean science classes that a submarine diving through SOFAR depth would be detectable thousands of miles away because the popping noise of compression would transmit over entire oceans via the SOFAR channel. Just curious to what extent it's a significant consideration in sub warfare.
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Dec 13, 2015 05:45
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ArchangeI posted:Can we just briefly mention that Katzenelnbogen translates to cat's elbow and that this is a very stupid name since cats don't have elbows, they have knees? Maybe the cats there have elbows.
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Dec 13, 2015 05:47
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Pellisworth posted:So here's an oceanography nerdery question for the submarine-inclined in the thread: how relevant is the SOFAR channel in sub warfare, past and present? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel Anyone who knows a substantive answer to this isn't in any position to reveal any sort of useful information; that being said, from what I've gathered (by TALKING to sub guys, mind you) they spend a huge amount of time and energy messing with underwater acoustics through the various thermal layers and salinity differences and all that stuff. Like with anything sub-related though it is among the more closely guarded secrets the world over so without a clearance you'll not have much access to any detailed technical data.
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Dec 13, 2015 06:00
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bewbies posted:Anyone who knows a substantive answer to this isn't in any position to reveal any sort of useful information; that being said, from what I've gathered (by TALKING to sub guys, mind you) they spend a huge amount of time and energy messing with underwater acoustics through the various thermal layers and salinity differences and all that stuff. Like with anything sub-related though it is among the more closely guarded secrets the world over so without a clearance you'll not have much access to any detailed technical data. Ok cool I kinda figured. Physical oceanographers (the types that would study acoustics and whatnot) are in super high demand by the Dept of Naval Research, so no surprise. Just curious cause it was supposed to be a Big Deal from the coursework I've done.
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Pellisworth posted:Ok cool I kinda figured. Physical oceanographers (the types that would study acoustics and whatnot) are in super high demand by the Dept of Naval Research, so no surprise. Just curious cause it was supposed to be a Big Deal from the coursework I've done. Everything I've heard indicates it is to the degree they stop right there so having a bit of confusion makes plenty of sense. Some of the best info to be had on the subject come from backsolving from weapons, and it implies some serious wizardry. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 06:11
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The average depth of the global ocean is 3.8km and there are huge temperature gradients (and therefore density/sound speed) involved, poo poo's complex.
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Dec 13, 2015 06:19
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Molentik posted:I feel this is a joke my grandparents could have told their friends in hushed tones during the war. It came from a book my dad owns written about eighties-era Poland which has a bunch of anti-authoritarian jokes in it. (I did a poster on Poland in fourth grade and didn't understand why my teacher didn't want me using Polish jokes.)
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StashAugustine posted:It came from a book my dad owns written about eighties-era Poland which has a bunch of anti-authoritarian jokes in it. (I did a poster on Poland in fourth grade and didn't understand why my teacher didn't want me using Polish jokes.) My personal favorite historical Polish joke still gets told in Poznan a century after the end of partition.  A Pole from Warsaw (capital of the Russian partition) and a Pole from Poznan (capital of the Prussian/German partition) happen to meet and have a couple dozen beers together. The Pole from Warsaw starts talking about how they're stockpiling weapons and getting ready to overthrow the occupiers and restore a free and sovereign Poland. The Poznan Pole looks a bit nervous and goes, "Well, that sounds great and all, but... are you sure that's allowed?  "
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I might dig up some more later but my favorite and still applicable today is: A Pole gets back from a trip to America and it telling all his friends about it, and how strange their customs are- for example, someone invited him over for drinks, and you know what he did? He put the cap back on!
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Dec 13, 2015 06:55
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GreyjoyBastard posted:My personal favorite historical Polish joke still gets told in Poznan a century after the end of partition. Oh my stars, this joke is hilarious. 
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Dec 13, 2015 08:51
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Raenir Salazar posted:Oh my stars, this joke is hilarious. Goes together well with the comment from Lenin (I think), who stated that there couldn't be a revolution in Germany, because in Germany, revolutions are verboten!
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Dec 13, 2015 08:54
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Jerome K. Jerome, 1900:quote:The German citizen is a soldier, and the policeman is his officer. The policeman directs him where in the street to walk, and how fast to walk. At the end of each bridge stands a policeman to tell the German how to cross it. Were there no policeman there, he would probably sit down and wait till the river had passed by. At the railway station the policeman locks him up in the waiting-room, where he can do no harm to himself. When the proper time arrives, he fetches him out and hands him over to the guard of the train, who is only a policeman in another uniform. The guard tells him where to sit in the train, and when to get out, and sees that he does get out. In Germany you take no responsibility upon yourself whatever. Everything is done for you, and done well. You are not supposed to look after yourself; you are not blamed for being incapable of looking after yourself; it is the duty of the German policeman to look after you. That you may be a helpless idiot does not excuse him should anything happen to you. Wherever you are and whatever you are doing you are in his charge, and he takes care of you—good care of you; there is no denying this.
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quote:When his troubles will begin will be when by any chance something goes wrong with the governing machine. You can loving say that again
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that's prussia's fault, my germans ain't give a drat they are, however, exceptionally legalistic. there are Rules for how to do things in the Empire, and everyone does their legal things according to those rules, my subjects included. they may be starving half to death but by god if some dude does a thing they'll try him according to the Praiseworthy Imperial War Law. this mindset continues until Napoleon conquers half the place and the last Diet dissolves itself (legally, according to the rules) to deny him the pleasure of being Emperor. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 13:33
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FAUXTON posted:Maybe the cats there have elbows. cats have elbows, on their arms obv
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HEY GAL posted:cats have elbows, on their arms obv Bird legs don't bend backwards.
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HEY GAL posted:this mindset continues until Napoleon conquers half the place and the last Diet dissolves itself (legally, according to the rules) to deny him the pleasure of being Emperor. Rule #1 of Napoleonic era Germany: gently caress you, Napoleon.
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How did Napoleon manipulate the Holy Roman Empire to get bits of it to join the Confederation of the Rhine and then just run over the bits that didn't? Is it just Nation-states destroy everything else?
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Hazzard posted:How did Napoleon manipulate the Holy Roman Empire to get bits of it to join the Confederation of the Rhine and then just run over the bits that didn't? Is it just Nation-states destroy everything else? responses to napoleon varied by state and nation-states suck, whatever the gently caress the HRE was is way better HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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HEY GAL posted:because rule #2 of napoleonic-era germany was "hey, this napoleon thing seems pretty cool" Bavaria: Hey Napoeon is kinda chill. Saxony: We're down with Napleon! PSYCHE! Prussia: gently caress loving YOU NAPOLEON/OH GOD DON'T HURT US/gently caress YOU! Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel: Napoleon? *spinning Skull GIF* EDIT: Kingdom Of Italy: I'm not supposed to be here. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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I've often wondered how El Nino affects submarine warfare in the Pacific. I've seen it mentioned vaguely that submarines can "hide" below the thermocline, because of its effects on the speed of sound. Wonder if the flattening of the thermocline that accompanies El Nino changes anything for strategic positioning. Does El Nino affect the SOFAR channel as well? And yeah I know no one can give real answers on this stuff but its interesting to speculate.
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Dec 13, 2015 16:47
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This sounds like the premise of a good (bad) Tom Clancy novel.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Bavaria: Hey Napoeon is kinda chill. sriously: 
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Bistum Minden? Now theyre Just taking the piss
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shallowj posted:I've often wondered how El Nino affects submarine warfare in the Pacific. I've seen it mentioned vaguely that submarines can "hide" below the thermocline, because of its effects on the speed of sound. Wonder if the flattening of the thermocline that accompanies El Nino changes anything for strategic positioning. Does El Nino affect the SOFAR channel as well? And yeah I know no one can give real answers on this stuff but its interesting to speculate. I don't know too much about sub warfare (hence why I asked) but I'm gonna guess "not much." El Nino is going to affect the seasonal thermocline (surface mixed layer depth) which is really shallow, like 50m max. The SOFAR channel, especially at low latitudes, is way deeper in the permanent thermocline (500-1000m ballpark). The SOFAR channel is much shallower at high latitudes, so that might be a different story.
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StashAugustine posted:I might dig up some more later but my favorite and still applicable today is: A Pole gets back from a trip to America and it telling all his friends about it, and how strange their customs are- for example, someone invited him over for drinks, and you know what he did? He put the cap back on! Can you explain this one?
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1550NM posted:Bistum Minden? Now theyre Just taking the piss It is the HRE version of 'I've got a rock!' really.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Can you explain this one? Means he's surprised there's still vodka left in the bottle when they're done.
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HEY GAL posted:and nation-states suck, whatever the gently caress the HRE was is way better Nation-states exist, the HRE doesn't. Nation-states: 1 HRE: 0 I do think Nation-states are better than anything else ever designed to organise manpower and use it to win wars.
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shallowj posted:I've often wondered how El Nino affects submarine warfare in the Pacific. I've seen it mentioned vaguely that submarines can "hide" below the thermocline, because of its effects on the speed of sound. Wonder if the flattening of the thermocline that accompanies El Nino changes anything for strategic positioning. Does El Nino affect the SOFAR channel as well? And yeah I know no one can give real answers on this stuff but its interesting to speculate. Pellisworth posted:I don't know too much about sub warfare (hence why I asked) but I'm gonna guess "not much." El Nino is going to affect the seasonal thermocline (surface mixed layer depth) which is really shallow, like 50m max. The SOFAR channel, especially at low latitudes, is way deeper in the permanent thermocline (500-1000m ballpark). I do sonar data analysis for a living, and my
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Hazzard posted:How did Napoleon manipulate the Holy Roman Empire to get bits of it to join the Confederation of the Rhine and then just run over the bits that didn't? Is it just Nation-states destroy everything else? Napoleon's consolidation of German states benefited several of the states and they proved reliable allies until the turncoat Austrians showed up in 1813. Playing small states against Prussia and Austria has been a significant part of French diplomacy since those two states became powerful and well before Napoleon's time.
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Panzeh posted:Napoleon's consolidation of German states benefited several of the states and they proved reliable allies until the turncoat Austrians showed up in 1813. Playing small states against Prussia and Austria has been a significant part of French diplomacy since those two states became powerful and well before Napoleon's time. hell, allying with parts of the Empire against the Emperor or against Spain was a thing for France long before Prussia was even a thing, French foreign policy during the early 17th century is all about cultivating small Italian polities, small German polities, some Swiss but not other Swiss, or Bavaria
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SeanBeansShako posted:It is the HRE version of 'I've got a rock!' really.
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HEY GAL posted:the smallest early modern Imperial citystate i am aware of is Zell am Harmersbach, population ~80 Oh I stand corrected, THAT is the 'I got a rock' of the HRE. That is like what, all the servant staff of a single manor? how many times was it accidentally invaded?
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SeanBeansShako posted:Oh I stand corrected, THAT is the 'I got a rock' of the HRE. That is like what, all the servant staff of a single manor? how many times was it accidentally invaded?
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HEY GAL posted:hesse-kassel, hesse-marburg, hesse-rheinfels, and hesse-darmstadt: what even are we That map could cause seizures.
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How big are those really tiny territories, like the ones just north of Frankfurt? Like...the size of a football field?
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bewbies posted:How big are those really tiny territories, like the ones just north of Frankfurt? Like...the size of a football field? since red in that map means citystate, probably the city plus whatever lands outside it swear fealty to it, if any. you ever been in a European city that still had the old walls, and it's always surprisingly small, just sort of a little blob in the city center? think smaller than that because I guarantee those little red dots are things nobody's every heard of edit: the map key has the scale in it in kilometers, and eyeballing it it looks like the little red chips are about a mile across? HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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