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This is going to be pretty whiny but I'm disappointed that the game is being frozen in this state. I'm thrilled with the driving but everything else is bad and its bad that they force you to play so much to earn the right to play what you want... even in 'multiplayer' (cant compete in an event if you haven't unlocked the car? seriously?) Obfuscating the route to doing what you want and pretending early access development lets them off the hook on implementing features fully are like the design philosophies of this game. The community constantly asks for a rally school, it already has videos on how to drive. If there isn't a big rear end gravel lot, with some cones and some kind of graphical display showing how much throttle vs brake vs grip you are inputting so you can practice with feedback, then its just intentionally obfuscating the route to learning to drive so it takes longer. OR, "effort!". The community wants to use a mouse in menus, so CM does the barest minimum they can to check it off but you can't even get into a race with it. So much lazy implementation down the stretch, there are too many minor issues to mention. poo poo, the pace-notes still have some notes so wrong or misstimed they'll make you crash if you don't learn where they are. The whole engineer and perk system is a pointless, punishing money sink on top of a punishing grind. Most free to play games aren't this painful and have less cynical ways to sap the funds you need to progress - perks that don't even get unlocked when you buy them, limited slots forcing you to sometimes lose perks you've bought, engineer salary and turning the amount you can repair down to basically zero if you don't (on top of taking away more money for repairs from your winnings and taking away a bonus for restarting in a punishing game where you will have to restart to progress). If everything around the racing is this half arsed then there should be a proper custom event menu allowing you to do anything with everything and ignore the broken rear end poo poo. Why can't I drive my fiesta up pikes peak again? If CM aren't going to try to make a rewarding career then why are they expecting me to put more effort into that side of the game than they are ? I would love to do a career with one of the new 2010 VW/Hyundai but they cost 650 fucken grand. That is so much game-time just to unlock one more car when I still haven't even unlocked a central diff 2000 car. That is incredible to me... and I can't imagine how much worse it is for anyone that isn't an unemployed student that plays way more games than is healthy. I am no god but I have a lot of free time and I can smash the community delta and even manage a competitive global time now and then   and if I have only been able to unlock a fraction of cars 1 1960 2 1970 0 1980 2 4WD B 0 RWD B 2 GRP A 0 Kit 1 R4 1 2000 1 2010 1Hillclimb 2 Rallycross in all this   5615.4km @ 86.6km/hr = 64.8hrs of JUST DRIVING. plus the minute of loading/repairing/making sure it hasn't done something dumb with your setup for every two stages you drive and that's more time than I want to admit to anyone I know IRL. @ better $/time because I could eventually make it to master even if it took a bit. and its not easy time. dirt rally is the most brutal racing game I have played. the concentration and effort required to be decent means its not like you can just play for 6hrs in one sitting cause you have a lazy sunday to waste. I think you gotta conclude that the game isn't even close to finished and hopefully they will realize just how unpalatable this will be in the console market. I would love to ask the devs when the last time any of them freshly installed the game and tried to progress the way a new player would. Qmass fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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OK I want to know how the hell you're spending your money because I've earned 3m less than you in around 170 events less than you and have the same amount of cars. Perks got a huge reworking in the 1.0 update and are now massively cheaper, a perk that used to cost 60k now only costs 11k so engineer upgrades aren't nearly the grind they once were. Most of the people I know turned off mouse control once they had an option to because everyone has a d-pad on their wheel these days. I never saw anyone asking for a Rally School, it was only rumoured because of that datamine image. I will never for the life of me figure out why everyone wants to drive the rally cars on Pikes Peak or in Rallycross, it'd be cool as a one time joke but after that you'd go back to the actual Hillclimb cars because they're so specialised for the purpose. Also how have you finished more rallys than you've entered?
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Rally cars in hillclimb because, at least when I was playing a lot, the hillclimb physics did not engage me like rally does and I wanted to be able to drive the cars I enjoy up pikes peak because none of the rally stages change like it does. entered vs. finished probably because stats were implemented in a half assed fashion and its bugged out at some point in development. SA attitude to reddit aside, the dirt reddit is the only active community I can find for the game outside of places like racedepartment fetishists making endless skins or this thread. There is a new developer sticky each month that gets rallyschool posts and a positively received rallyschool thread every other week in general, enough for them to address the need for help learning to play publicly... You can't deny the game would hugely benefit from it. I had to do bloody rallycross, where I could do the same corner over and over while still remembering the last time I did it so I could get the right brake and gas pressure/feel down to the point I could stay on the limit and practice poo poo without fear of loving up my multi-hour investment in a career season and bombing below progression placement. poo poo, if you try to go back down the course far enough to get up to race speed to retry a corner you crashed on, the fucken game puts up a 10s timer before it disqualifies you WHY ON EARTH?! and does how you get around something change that a requested feature was poorly implemented ? Qmass fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Dec 13, 2015 11:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81asIARaZrQ I hate this Audi so much and I hate "M. Blanco" even more for posting a top-100 worldwide time in a long stage. It took me way too long to beat that bot.
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Picked this game up the other day and it's pretty fun! It feels a bit drive-on-rails which is nice and chill but at the same time the use of braking and clutch kicking all feels really good from what I've seen so far so and the game seems to balance the arcade aspect and actual driving. The only car I've bought so far is the E30 and up until that point I wasn't really enjoying the default Mini that much even though FF handbrake pulls often make for some dramatic powerslides. Gonna save up for a hillclimb car next, I guess? Always wanted to drive an Audi Quattro and its nice to see one in this game.
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Dec 13, 2015 23:10
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The Audi is poo poo garbage buy something fun like a Lancia
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The Stratos and Delta look cool but I want something for the other race types first. Then after that I'll probably get a Fiesta or STI because I've actually driven those irl and it'd be fun to compare.  Also, I'll forever like the Quattro because this picture even exists: 
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Dec 14, 2015 06:08
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thats a good picture
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That picture rules as does the Quattro, it's just a shame it sucks to drive. I have to agree with Qmass on a bunch of his points as this game is pretty rough for the casual racer such as myself.
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So the hill climb for the league seems to be broken. I had to quit during my second run and now it won't let me finish  . Also, it'd be real nice if whoever set up the next one could put a service area before the first stage of each event so we can actually set up the cars.
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FancyMike posted:The Audi is poo poo garbage
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I bought the Quattro and I've regretted it for months since. When I finish that championship I'm never touching it again.
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I dunno if we're talking about the same Quattro because I got the S1 hillclimb variant and it is nearly twice as fast as my BMW E30, easily ending up in the top 3 and taking me out of open championships in my first session up Pike's Peak despite continued terrible driving, not knowing the turns and even flying off the track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwSkI4AY6o After a bit more trial and error to actually learn the road I'm thinking this is gonna be my quick money maker until I save up for a proper rallycross car cause these hillclimbs are like $60k or more in just three high speed runs.
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Probably talking about the quattro rallye. Finishing a rally event is much more labor intensive than finishing a hillclimb event. But Great Joe, you can just drop out of all of the events to get it over with and play something enjoyable instead. tbh I just did the same thing for a championship I was playing in the escort mk II
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I'm having so much fun driving the Stratos that I haven't bothered buying anything else. What are some other cars that people just enjoy driving, regardless of how "good" the car is? Not sure what I should buy next. Thief: Buy the goddamn Stratos.
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I seem to be the only one that enjoys the RS500, RWD but well balanced so it's easy to control. The 037 is basically Stratos: The Sequel.
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Shine posted:I'm having so much fun driving the Stratos that I haven't bothered buying anything else. I like the Lancia Delta S4. It's pretty interesting in that you rarely get out of 3rd gear
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Great Joe posted:I bought the Quattro and I've regretted it for months since. When I finish that championship I'm never touching it again. Shine posted:What are some other cars that people just enjoy driving, regardless of how "good" the car is? Not sure what I should buy next. BMW E30 is solid if you want to continue chronologically. Both the Group B RWDs were fun/difficult before the V2 physics, I imagine they still are. Peugeot 306 was neat for some high powered FWD action. Most of the later 4WD cars are more about fun in terms of going fast, less about fun in terms of being a riot/challenge to drive (which isn't to say they aren't still a moderate challenge because rally racing).
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I don't think the Quattro is as bad as most goon ITT make it out to be. The name of the game is weight transfer.
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Jehde posted:I don't think the Quattro is as bad as most goon ITT make it out to be. The name of the game is weight transfer. Yeah, I did basically as good as I could in it as I would do in any other car when I gave it a shot during event 1  also no upgrades and hadn't driven it before.
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The Group B MG Metro is my favourite in group, thing is underpowered but super skittish and slides whether you want it to or not.
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Shine posted:I'm having so much fun driving the Stratos that I haven't bothered buying anything else. ...brb crashing! And yeah, I am new to the game but I think its safe to say that basically any RWD car is gonna be Really though if you're gonna buy a random car get anything from Group B. I haven't been following the thread so I dunno how much its been talked about but Group B is the epitome of rally racing and it was so badass that it got banned. Cars like the Quattro just rolled up using 4WD and tore it up for the first time and then literal deathtraps like the Delta were using both turbochargers and superchargers on the same loving car  The only thing missing is hundreds and thousands of spectators standing in the middle of the track blocking your view of the turn ahead and just barely getting out of the way before you run into them. Jehde posted:I don't think the Quattro is as bad as most goon ITT make it out to be. The name of the game is weight transfer. I guess its also worth noting that the French champion Michel Mouton was active then and because of it she's widely considered one of the best female racers of her time. This is the lady that set record times at Pike's Peak in a Quattro so I really doubt it's that bad of a car lol. Skwee posted:I like the Lancia Delta S4. It's pretty interesting in that you rarely get out of 3rd gear I'm waiting to get this until I have a top level rallycross car because I want to unlock all the modes. Also the idea of a Fiesta with 600 HP is just lol and I want to beat STIs in it. But yeah, the Delta is gonna be my Group B car I think until I have the money to try them all.
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gently caress, something is up with my G27. It becomes uncentered while playing and the only way to get it to become centered again is to exit out of the game and unplug-replug the wheel. If I do it in-game it does the whole spin around to find the rotation limit and then the zoom back to center, but it ends with it off-center still. When I do it outside of the game it centers fine. Seems like a problem with the game rather than the wheel, but when it becomes uncentered during the middle of a stage it is super annoying. Like 2 splits from the end of a 10km stage, i'm fallin off the edge of a cliff because I am not "centered" but "turning slightly to the right off of a cliff" Anyone have a similar problem ever? My wheel isn't even heavily used yet, I didn't use it much until I got this game, and I only have 44 hours in it according to steam..
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Think my Pike's Peak run for goon league might've been my best I've ever had on the Mixed version. Didn't even bother using my second run to try and improve my time, just Abandon Run on it as soon as I crossed the line (I might've been able to improve it... I had some slow corners, but not enough to justify another 9 minutes when I had a decent mistake-free one).  Skwee posted:I like the Lancia Delta S4. It's pretty interesting in that you rarely get out of 3rd gear
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bUm posted:Think my Pike's Peak run for goon league might've been my best I've ever had on the Mixed version. Didn't even bother using my second run to try and improve my time, just Abandon Run on it as soon as I crossed the line (I might've been able to improve it... I had some slow corners, but not enough to justify another 9 minutes when I had a decent mistake-free one). It's more of the fact that you don't get out of 3rd because if you get into 4th then you are probably going to crash and die horribly. This thing has a supercharger and a turbo charger. It might improve acceleration a little bit to decrease gear ratio, but I'm not sure if it would be enough to negate the time spent shifting. And I am already pretty used to the 3 gear driving with it. still pissed that i couldn't do my 2nd run on pikes peak.. stupid broken league. I did my first run and it doesn't count it unless you do the 2nd run.. and I can't do my 2nd run because it won't let me enter the league now.
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Great Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81asIARaZrQ This stage is a loving nightmare on a 360 controller, and Greece in particular is awful. It's just the worst parts of Wales and Finland combined with none of the fun stuff. I just can't believe how sadistic it is, especially when it was the first event I had to shakedown the Quattro after moving from the Stratos. 
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I love Greece! I don't get all the hate. At least it doesn't rain. Though I keep forgetting to occasionally hit the wipers to prevent that awful dust buildup. And it seems like once its there you can't remove it no matter how much you use the wipers. Does using the wipers even actually prevent it?
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I don't know the answer to this but it is a definite sign that this is a good rally game when windshield wipers are an actual part of gameplay. There's one event with multiple splashes at the end and one of them is right before what I can only guess is a near hairpin turn. I've taken it blind so many times because I never have time to press my wipers button when trying to juggle the throttle and possible handbrake/clutch kick to keep my momentum pushing through to the finish line to the cheers of my virtual spectators. It's great and is the best home stretch of any track I've seen so far.
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Thief posted:I don't know the answer to this but it is a definite sign that this is a good rally game when windshield wipers are an actual part of gameplay. i can only imagine you are talking about the right three through the watersplash that continues through a blind (because of the water) gate. After that it is flat out to the end though.
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Jehde posted:I seem to be the only one that enjoys the RS500, RWD but well balanced so it's easy to control. The 037 is basically Stratos: The Sequel. You're not the only one, that car is basically teaching me how to rally (it's failing at the moment, but let's keep at it). Also, career upgrades count for online leagues? Because I had never touched a car past 1980s before the goon league and I'm sure the lack of upgrades isn't helping my already poo poo times.
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Yeah i've been playing with the stratos for a bit and it is teaching me a bit more about throttle control than what i learned from the delta S4. From the delta S4 I learned it is not a good idea to keep accelerating after a certain point (past 3rd gear), from the stratos i learned that too much throttle into a hairpin is better than using the e-brake. If you use throttle to oversteer, it is much finer control of the over-steer than you could get with using the e-brake. and then the first time i learned the true meaning of clutching kicking was from the 205 t16 pikes peak, where in 1st gear it is so low in the revs out of a hairpin, kickin that clutch a bit makes you accelerate so much quicker. There's a lot to learn from many different cars.
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Skwee posted:It's more of the fact that you don't get out of 3rd because if you get into 4th then you are probably going to crash and die horribly. This thing has a supercharger and a turbo charger. Adjusting the gear ratios actually doesn't make for much more shifting because, if you tweak correctly, then 1st more or less becomes a dead stop and acute only gear and you generally only use 2-4 whilst 5th fills in the rare gaps you'd use 4th with default; since the gearing is tighter, you're closer to the power band and have more responsive power after shifts (Group B's rarely seem sluggish, but it can be more responsive). There's also more overlap between gears when you compress the gearing so you can sometimes shift less (don't need to downshift as often to still have responsive acceleration after a turn).  Aside though, the real difference in time is probably small relative to bigger factors (your driving ability, not making mistakes, etc.).Granite Octopus posted:Does using the wipers even actually prevent it? Irae posted:Also, career upgrades count for online leagues? Because I had never touched a car past 1980s before the goon league and I'm sure the lack of upgrades isn't helping my already poo poo times.
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The workshop tuning is a godsend. I found this user's general-tarmac RS fiesta tune because its on the front page with 4 stars but all of their setups (one for each event in the fiesta, some general setups for the new WRC cars and a couple other random things ) seem like massive improvements over stock, from what I have tried. I'm actually having to adjust to how much faster the fiesta can accelerate in a straight line with a proper diff setup. http://steamcommunity.com/id/job3k/myworkshopfiles/?appid=310560 Interested in what some more knowledgeable people think.
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I played this at a friend's, and god drat it is fun. I'm not a huge fan of racing games (last one I played were Burnouts), but I had a blast crashing against every tree in Finland. I'm this close to pulling the trigger on this; would I me "gimpimg" my enjoyment of the game If I'm not planning on buying a wheel? Has anyone been playing exclusively with a pad and can report back on using more realistic settings with it? (shifting, clutching, no assists).
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I got a wheel last Friday, but until that I was playing on a pad with no assists, and you are definitely not gimping yourself. Buy the game.
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Edmond Dantes posted:I played this at a friend's, and god drat it is fun. I'm not a huge fan of racing games (last one I played were Burnouts), but I had a blast crashing against every tree in Finland. I use a pad with the settings you're referring to, though I haven't had a good reason to clutch kick yet. The only thing to keep in mind is that once you move passed the 1970s starter car you need to up your steering sensitivity and lower the steering linearity, or else your in-game driverman won't be responsive enough to your input and you'll crash a ton more than you should. I spent hours struggling against the car thinking the setup was bad when it was really this.
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Praseodymi posted:I got a wheel last Friday, but until that I was playing on a pad with no assists, and you are definitely not gimping yourself. Buy the game. Alright, thanks for the info. The game is 23 bucks over here, so it's kinda silly not to get it. Fair warning, I'll probably chime in to ask for tips and complain about it being too hard once I get it though.
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Renounced posted:I use a pad with the settings you're referring to, though I haven't had a good reason to clutch kick yet. The only thing to keep in mind is that once you move passed the 1970s starter car you need to up your steering sensitivity and lower the steering linearity, or else your in-game driverman won't be responsive enough to your input and you'll crash a ton more than you should. I spent hours struggling against the car thinking the setup was bad when it was really this. I've never had that problem with a pad. Does this mean the speed that the wheels turn at is based on the steering sensitivity? Edmond Dantes posted:B... b... but I have no clue about cars. I've been driving a motorcycle all my adult life. 4 wheels confound me. I wouldn't worry about it, I've been playing this game longer than I've been driving anything.
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If you're using a gamepad, map shifting to the right thumbstick. It feels way cooler than pressing buttons.
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