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Why is Wasteland 10 times the cost of stripmine? Is stripmine banned in everything?
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Dec 14, 2015 04:31
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I dont know how people don't find "Free spell when you cast a big creature" to not be "cool enough to be mythic" I don't really care what's cool enough to be mythic. That's not what I was complaining about
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Dec 14, 2015 04:32
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Japanese reader confirming that the demon makes you lose four.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:33
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Gensuki posted:Why is Wasteland 10 times the cost of stripmine? Is stripmine banned in everything? Yes. Strip Mine is only legal in Vintage and EDH, while Wasteland is legal in Legacy as well.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:33
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Gensuki posted:Why is Wasteland 10 times the cost of stripmine? Is stripmine banned in everything? Strip Mine is banned in everything and restricted in Vintage. Wasteland is a 4 of in most Legacy decks.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:34
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Some Numbers posted:Japanese reader confirming that the demon makes you lose four. thank god, that would be insane. still a good card that you can build around avoiding the downside.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:42
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Alaan posted:So in all this spoiler excitement I missed it. what is Caleb getting for his invitational token? 9/10 says it'll be an eyesore for the entire time whatever card makes it is played in Standard.  Invitational tokens are all ugly. 
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Dec 14, 2015 04:43
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Strip Mine might also have a higher supply than Wasteland given it has actually been reprinted in white borders. Dunno enough about print runs to say for sure though.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:47
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whydirt posted:Strip Mine might also have a higher supply than Wasteland given it has actually been reprinted in white borders. Dunno enough about print runs to say for sure though. 4 different versions in Antiquities at Uncommon. 1 in 4th Edition at Uncommon. 1 in Anthologies. And it was in FTV: Exiled. Vs. Wasteland's single printing in Tempest at Uncommon and the Judge and Player Rewards versions from a while back (2010 and 2001 respectively). There's probably a fair amount more Strip Mines out there.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:54
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Cernunnos posted:4 different versions in Antiquities at Uncommon. 1 in 4th Edition at Uncommon. 1 in Anthologies. And it was in FTV: Exiled. 2 Judge Wastelands! Alaan posted:So in all this spoiler excitement I missed it. what is Caleb getting for his invitational token? Stangg.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:02
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suicidesteve posted:2 Judge Wastelands! That's kind of fabulous if entirely silly.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:06
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I only have 1 edh deck and it's Stangg.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:09
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BizarroAzrael posted:Don't know about Kalitas, his persistent effect seems really good, but only against certain decks. I suppose with lifelink he can pressure a chump block to get a token and enable the activated ability, but the two best decks right now either have Jack and only a handful of other creatures, or Gideon who makes tokens all day. He ruins Aristocrats decks that can't blow one up as soon as he's on the board (exile bypasses "dies" triggers) while still being a pretty playable card even without relying getting maximum value out of his ability. There's a lot of graveyard play in standard and creatures dying is a normal part of most games. He might spend more time in the sideboard but he's a good Anafenza alternative to people who aren't Abzan.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:11
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Gensuki posted:Why is Wasteland 10 times the cost of stripmine? Is stripmine banned in everything? If strip mine wasnt banned in everything it would be so fuckin brutal. It kills any land, including basics. I would play 4 strip mine 4 wastelands in lands and you would all die all the time. It's good it's banned. Very very good. If you don't play legacy where you are constantly playing around wasteland you don't know how loving painful strip mine would be if it was let loose on the world.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:11
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I dont know how people don't find "Free spell when you cast a big creature" to not be "cool enough to be mythic"
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Dec 14, 2015 05:18
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's cool in the Eldrazi deck, but it will probably see a fair amount of play in standard as a very mundane instant-speed sweeper. Having one of those at $5 sucks. Radiant flames is just as good and cheap. It won't see much play outside of eldrazi ramp, where it will be very loving over powered. Cast ulamog, exile your lands, all your dudes die. I win.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:31
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suicidesteve posted:Stangg. What's the joke here (if there is one)?
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Dec 14, 2015 05:34
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C-Euro posted:What's the joke here (if there is one)? Not really a joke, just a really old card with super limited supply that would be kind of silly to pick for your token.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:44
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Radiant flames is just as good and cheap. It won't see much play outside of eldrazi ramp, where it will be very loving over powered. If I'm reading it correctly, the flashback-esque effect on Kozilek's Return also can't be countered (unless standard has some stifle effect I don't know about). It's a triggered effect, not a spell being cast, so it can't be countered directly, and the trigger itself is an on-cast rather than an ETB. You put a fatty on the stack and the board gets wiped.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:46
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Plus we're going back to Inni-fill up your graveyard-strad. I mean, hello, I'll be surprised if this card doesn't see play at some point.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:51
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Minority Deport posted:This is a weird-rear end leak. We're getting things in English, but also Russian, German, Japanese, French, and Italian. Who the hell has access to enough product to pull that many mythics (and nonbasic lands, I guess) this early? Every one of them has a hosed up edge. The QC department at the printers is where I imagine they'll start the investigation.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:54
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I think World Breaker could be pretty good as a one-of in the ramp deck. You can find it with your sanctum, and it can act as spot removal for enchantments and as a recurring annoyance for control decks. Having a 7 mana way to trigger Kozilek's Return is also potentially valuable.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:01
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Having Return essentially be a 7-mana uncounterable board wipe could be a pretty big deal by itself in some matchups, especially since Abzan has apparently started splashing blue for Disdainful Stroke.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:06
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think World Breaker could be pretty good as a one-of in the ramp deck. You can find it with your sanctum, and it can act as spot removal for enchantments and as a recurring annoyance for control decks. Having a 7 mana way to trigger Kozilek's Return is also potentially valuable. World Breaker actually looks like it could find a slot in Tron's sideboard - it can't replace Nature's Claim straight up, but a disenchant effect that you can fetch with with Eye of Ugin is definitely an effect worth looking at.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:07
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I thought Chandra might be great, then I read she costs six mana. Jesus christ.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:07
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legoman727 posted:I thought Chandra might be great, then I read she costs six mana. Jesus christ. She's still probably just the second or third worst Chandra at least
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Dec 14, 2015 06:08
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I think someone at creative has a list of things they'd like to do to worlds, like Slay, Quell, Purge, Gorge, Rend, Knit, Wake, Eat, Warp, and even Bottle
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Dec 14, 2015 06:09
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legoman727 posted:I thought Chandra might be great, then I read she costs six mana. Jesus christ. yeah i made the same mistake as you. chandra is cursed to never get a good card.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:19
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Some Numbers posted:Japanese reader confirming that the demon makes you lose four. Seconding this.
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Dec 14, 2015 07:09
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The really important thing here is that it implies a theme in SoI of caring about card types in your graveyard. We're getting Tarmogoyf, boys 
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Dec 14, 2015 07:23
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Cast ulamog, exile your lands, all your dudes die. I win. yes please I didn't realize it was on cast, that's nuts
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Dec 14, 2015 07:25
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stinkles1112 posted:yes please on cast and the sweep itself is a trigger and it kills the designated "unkillable control guy" in the set .
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Dec 14, 2015 07:45
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Nissa seems pretty terrible, even for three mana. Not sure why you'd ever *really* want new Nissa over flip Nissa (although I suppose they don't really do the same thing, but getting a forest seems better than an 0/1). Both of the new PW seem clearly worse than Bobby Nixon and dramatically worse than Gideon. I mean, Nissa's fundamental abilities are the same as Gideon's except dramatically worse even with the difference in CMC taken into account. And I just know a bunch of obnoxious assholes are going to use Chandra + Treasure Cruise + Sphinx's Tutelage to make me want to quit Magic. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 07:51
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Angry Grimace posted:Nissa seems pretty terrible, even for three mana. Not sure why you'd ever *really* want new Nissa over old Nissa. Nissa's durdle game is strong, and her -2 does a decent impression of Gideon's -4 in topdeck mode. I can't imagine what would play her currently, but I don't think you can completely write off anything that durdles so well.
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Dec 14, 2015 07:59
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Chill la Chill posted:Same. I was surprised tabernacle was on it and strip mine wasn't. Also the worst part is that mishra's workshop is on it too so we're stuck with the really bad art for that one. I think you think the reserve list worked the opposite way that it actually did. Basically they decided that, while they were doing this, 80% of the rares from each set would go on the list. The 20% that they didn't put on the list were the ones they thought were the best cards/most likely candidates for eventually reprinting. Sometimes their idea of "best cards" was very wrong but if I understand correctly (I know there are some recent posts on MaRo's blog about it) they actively tried to keep what they thought were "good" cards OFF the reserve list. Of course, when more cards get printed and synergies develop, some unlikely candidates can turn out to be very good cards after all, and the rest is history
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Dec 14, 2015 08:06
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Neat thing about Kozilek's Return is it's an instant, and it has devoid so it gets around those nasty pro red creatures. I'm not sure if that interaction particularly comes up a lot, I'm not seeing decks side in Kor Firewalkers for Tron after all. The cast eldrazi effect really does make it feel mythic though, so I don't hate it. Chandra is probably just too expensive, but I'll be damned if I don't at least try to make it work. And then I remembered Sphinx's Tutelage is still in standard. :O I'm not too fussed about Nissa, her previous two incarnations were certainly better. Making a 0/1 plant isn't really big game for a +1, and considering the main threats flying around, it's not a great way to protect herself. I'd probably just slam her as a Gavony Township activation most of the time and if she survives that's great. World Breaker is a myth. It has a place in my Ruric Thar EDH deck since exiling matters and repeatable exile is even better in that format, but that's about it. Sphinx of the Final Word just screams control finisher, he's pretty good for the mirror, and doesn't die to Languish even. Does he see play immediately or does he need to wait until the cheaper dragons rotate? Kalitas is good against a very certain kind of deck, but when that deck comes to play... whoo boy.
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Dec 14, 2015 08:23
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Probably the most relevant protection creature that Return hits is Etched Champion.
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Dec 14, 2015 08:42
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Logicblade posted:World Breaker is a myth. It has a place in my Ruric Thar EDH deck since exiling matters and repeatable exile is even better in that format, but that's about it. Sphinx of the Final Word just screams control finisher, he's pretty good for the mirror, and doesn't die to Languish even. Does he see play immediately or does he need to wait until the cheaper dragons rotate? Kalitas is good against a very certain kind of deck, but when that deck comes to play... whoo boy. I think World Breaker has potential in Modern and maybe even Legacy. Sure, Newlamog exists, but sometimes you don't have a clean 10 mana, or you might need to search+cast in the same turn. Access to a lower-cost, Sanctum-fetchable answer to a problem artifact or enchantment seems pretty strong!
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Dec 14, 2015 08:43
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Niton posted:I think World Breaker has potential in Modern and maybe even Legacy. Sure, Newlamog exists, but sometimes you don't have a clean 10 mana, or you might need to search+cast in the same turn. Access to a lower-cost, Sanctum-fetchable answer to a problem artifact or enchantment seems pretty strong! I guess I didn't think of that synergy. I guess the question is if that cost with the ability to tutor it is just better than a Nature's Claim or not. I guess since it always has a target (can hit lands) its worth a look at least. I called it a myth since it really doesn't feel like a mythic rare, it's a big splashy eldrazi with some recursion, but it's kind of in the same camp as Deathmist Raptor to me.
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Niton posted:I think World Breaker has potential in Modern and maybe even Legacy. Sure, Newlamog exists, but sometimes you don't have a clean 10 mana, or you might need to search+cast in the same turn. Access to a lower-cost, Sanctum-fetchable answer to a problem artifact or enchantment seems pretty strong! World breaker costs green, which is somehow probably more of a downside than costing 7 mana, given the decks that would use it
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