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GeneX posted:World breaker costs green, which is somehow probably more of a downside than costing 7 mana, given the decks that would use it In Modern, R/G tron could certainly support it (though it makes fetching Grove or your Forest a higher priority), and in Legacy, something like John Kassari's 12-post wants Green on the regular anyways for Crop Rotation & Primeval Titan. I don't think it'll be a major player or anything, but I think it could absolutely show up in either of those decks as a role-player. Niton fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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GoutPatrol posted:I just read that the 2BB demon doesn't say gain for 4 life if there are 4 types in your graveyard, but that you lose 4 life if there aren't 4 types. Where can we get a Japanese reader? Yep, here's a translation from yours truly: ~Willbreaker Demon~ 2BB Flying, Trample When ~Willbreak Demon~ enters the battlefield, put the top 4 cards of your library into your graveyard. ~Tribute~ - At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 4 life unless you have 4 or more different card types in your graveyard. 4/5 Doesn't seem like a great match against a Geist of St Traft though!
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Dec 14, 2015 09:34
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Tamagod Sushi posted:Yep, here's a translation from yours truly: It can just block Geist of St. Traft
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Dec 14, 2015 09:36
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So I guess the new keyword may be conditional upkeep costs? I hope it isn't related to counting card types at least.
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Dec 14, 2015 10:22
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Irony Be My Shield posted:So I guess the new keyword may be conditional upkeep costs? I hope it isn't related to counting card types at least. What are you taking about?
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Tamagod Sushi posted:~Tribute~ - At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 4 life unless you have 4 or more different card types in your graveyard.
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Dec 14, 2015 10:35
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Born of the Gods' Tribute is '貢納'. '昂揚' might be ... advancement?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I hope it isn't related to counting card types at least. Tarmogoyf reprint confirmed.
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Dec 14, 2015 11:22
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GeneX posted:World breaker costs green, which is somehow probably more of a downside than costing 7 mana, given the decks that would use it R/G Tron almost always has access to green, considering that the root of its consistency is Ancient Stirrings and Sylvan Scrying and that it plays 4 grove,4 sphere, 4 star, and 4 map. World Breaker's casting cost isn't going to be what keeps it out of modern. That said, World Breaker has a very hard time competing with any of the current Eye of Ugin targets in Tron, but its ability to handle two onboard inkmoths in one turn might let it see some play. It is essentially way more likely to see standard play than modern play since it's at a casting cost where it could hit the board in standard, isn't competing with more powerful effects at different costs, and standard is a format where its recursion ability is likely to be somewhat relevant.
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Dec 14, 2015 11:33
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Dec 14, 2015 11:55
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New Chandra seems pretty good. I've got a lot of goofy decks I would put her in. I think she's got a solid shot of making it into standard if some sort of jeskai or some other red/x control deck ends up viable.
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Dec 14, 2015 12:16
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What BFZ should have done is, instead of having C be relegated to the second set, gone all-in on it. Straight up have a sixth of the creatures and spells and stuff be C, cut off chunks of the color pie for it, the whole nine yards. Then, in OGW, you bring in Devoid, but have it only on spells that cost both C and one or more other colors. This solves many problems: it makes Devoid less underwhelming because people aren't asking "Why is this spell that costs red colorless?" It's colorless because it costs colorless and red. It also reduces the proliferation of four-color decks, because splashing colorless is rather harder than just filling your decks with fetches and bofas.
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Dec 14, 2015 12:20
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Zoness posted:R/G Tron almost always has access to green, considering that the root of its consistency is Ancient Stirrings and Sylvan Scrying and that it plays 4 grove,4 sphere, 4 star, and 4 map. World Breaker's casting cost isn't going to be what keeps it out of modern. It can't be cast by the three tron pieces alone, which is a hilarious situation, because the optimal draw for the deck that is most likely to want to use it is completely unable to cast it on whatever you could refer to as tron's curve. It's even more ridiculous that the barrier isn't the humongous mana cost but the single green. the point is that tron is a very dumb deck. Fun, but dumb
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Dec 14, 2015 13:05
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Is it bad that I saw Chandra and Kozilek's Return and immediately though "red based control"? Because I want to try and build Temur control again now that there's an actual red "board wipe" in standard again.
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Dec 14, 2015 14:34
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so lets price speculate on these new expo lands
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Irony Be My Shield posted:So I guess the new keyword may be conditional upkeep costs? I hope it isn't related to counting card types at least. It's definitely related to counting card types in your graveyard and not upkeep costs, and I'm fairly confident that it'll be always 4.
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Dec 14, 2015 14:51
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:so lets price speculate on these new expo lands I'm not gonna  it, but at least for a little while, I'm pretty sure the wasteland expedition is going to net you a playset of non-foil shock lands.And forbidden orchard'll get you half a cavern of souls.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:so lets price speculate on these new expo lands Tec Edges will be the cheapest expedition at 40 dollars.
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Dec 14, 2015 14:54
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Niton posted:I think World Breaker has potential in Modern and maybe even Legacy. Sure, Newlamog exists, but sometimes you don't have a clean 10 mana, or you might need to search+cast in the same turn. Access to a lower-cost, Sanctum-fetchable answer to a problem artifact or enchantment seems pretty strong! It has the potential to be worse than Karn
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Niton posted:I think World Breaker has potential in Modern and maybe even Legacy. Sure, Newlamog exists, but sometimes you don't have a clean 10 mana, or you might need to search+cast in the same turn. Access to a lower-cost, Sanctum-fetchable answer to a problem artifact or enchantment seems pretty strong! The problem with him having 6G cmc is unless tron has an available egg, he's a t4 play. You need tron + a green source. It is ok that natural tron + an egg does get you there. Probably not good enough, might be worth fiddling with.
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Dec 14, 2015 15:10
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Dec 14, 2015 15:23
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I didn't see it specifically posted, so I want everyone to realize that the 4/5 Demon is NOT in OGW. It's a Shadows over Innistrad preview card. That being said, my initial thoughts: 1. Kozilek's Return will be a chase rare until everyone realizes the only couple decks that will use it are G/R Eldrazi ramp in standard and maybe Tron in Modern. I want to say being an instant is kind of a red herring, but it might make 4-color Control (Grixis splash W) preferrable over straight Esper the leading deck in the format since it would no longer be an autoloss against Atarka Red/Landfall. 2. (Unironically) Kalitas would make a bomb loving EDH general in Attrition/Sac decks. And he hoses Rally pretty nicely. Hopefully, there are more common/ubiquitous graveyard fuckery effects as a last "gently caress you" to delve before it rotates. 3. The R/W manland will see even less play than the R/B one. Maybe if it had trample, too?  4. New Nissa is neat, but yeah. Flip Nissa is just better for the cost since 0/1 plants don't seem to have any support in the format. (We'll see.) 5. As someone said earlier, New Chandra does 3 very powerful things, but unless the aforementioned Grixis control deck pops up, there really isn't anything out there to support a 6-mana walker. 6. 7. Blighted Crossroads is the land I called out back when BfZ was first spoiled. Glad they actually decided to print it.  8. Crumbling Vestige is the best common mana fixing in the set, will be snatched up super early in drafts, and will see play as a 1 or 2-of in Bloom decks (assuming they're not banned out of existence soon). 9. Eye of Ugin being one of the Expeditions makes me loving sad.
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AlternateNu posted:I didn't see it specifically posted, so I want everyone to realize that the 4/5 Demon is NOT in OGW. It's a Shadows over Innistrad preview card. No. It's a Duel Deck Preview card.
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Dec 14, 2015 15:43
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Return will be great in Eldrazi. I can see it as an SB in atarka red, if you can prowess your creatures above its reach its a great instant speed wiper to get through whatever they have blocking. It could also go into jeskai black against rally decks to wipe out their guys when they do an eot coco. I can POSSIBLY see the Sphinx as an SB card in miracles mirrir matches. It costs a lot but an end game beater that can force your cantrips through counter balance might be a thing in really slow games. I'm not sure.
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rabidsquid posted:Calciform pools would solve a lot of these issues Yo my World Breaker destroyed her Calciform Pools.  *rereads card* oh poo poo
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mcmagic posted:No. It's a Duel Deck Preview card. And following the pattern of one face-mythic from each Duel Deck being a preview card for the upcoming block, I stand by my loving statement. 
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mcmagic posted:No. It's a Duel Deck Preview card. you know what he meant you pedantic retard
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Return will be great in Eldrazi. I can see it as an SB in atarka red, if you can prowess your creatures above its reach its a great instant speed wiper to get through whatever they have blocking. It could also go into jeskai black against rally decks to wipe out their guys when they do an eot coco. How is Atarka Red going to use it? It requires casting an Eldrazi spell to get the big flashback effect and the deck hasn't even been using the Radiant Flames card. Also, the Sphinx still costs seven mana. Even if it's a mirror breaker in Miracles, I have difficulty seeing most games get that far with lands, especially since casting one leaves you wide open and vulnerable to a slew of angels.
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GoutPatrol posted:Tec Edges will be the cheapest expedition at 40 dollars. What about Dust Bowl
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mcmagic posted:No. It's a Duel Deck Preview card. Yes and the duel deck it is in is the one that comes out after Oath, Blessed vs. Cursed which is very clearly the Spring block preview duel deck. The demon will be in SoI.
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Okay maybe not Temur control but UR/Izzet control because holy poo poo Sphinx of the Final Word looks really strong.
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jassi007 posted:Yes and the duel deck it is in is the one that comes out after Oath, Blessed vs. Cursed which is very clearly the Spring block preview duel deck. The demon will be in SoI. OK I guess. So you're saying that Geist will be in SOI too?
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mcmagic posted:OK I guess. So you're saying that Geist will be in SOI too? Remember when the theros duel deck was polukranos and sun titan as displayed cards? Same thing.
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mcmagic posted:OK I guess. So you're saying that Geist will be in SOI too? They don't both have to be in SOI. The last one had Oblivion Sower (which was new and in BFZ) and Avenger of Zendikar (which is a reprint and wasn't in BFZ).
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Barry Shitpeas posted:What about Dust Bowl Regular foil Dust Bowl is a billion dollars. But Tec Edge will not be the cheapest of these.
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Do we have data on the number of Wastelands on MTGO? I'm wondering if expedition Wastelands could be a notable percentage of those since OGW is going to be opened far more than Tempest or Tempest Remastered were.
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mcmagic posted:OK I guess. So you're saying that Geist will be in SOI too? Geist is a reprint in the Duel Deck that is most likely only for that Duel Deck because it fits thematically, like Sun Titan in the Theros one or Arcanis in the Khans one or Avenger of Zendikar in the Zendikar one. What's the other option for the demon though? Do you think Wizards printed a brand new card in the Blessed vs. Cursed Duel Deck just for that Duel Deck?
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Pay no mind to the pedantic retard, guys.
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mcmagic posted:OK I guess. So you're saying that Geist will be in SOI too? Have you ever seen a duel deck before? They're this neat product line that explores the themes of the upcoming block, or the opposing beliefs of planeswalkers. Belief vs. Spoopy is the first category.
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