computer parts posted:It's pretty simple logic really. Guy loves his wife, guy gets a vision about his wife dying (and his previous one about his mom dying came true), guy learns that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, guy finds out his boss is going to kill the only Sith left in the galaxy. I think the bigger problem here is that Anakin goes from "No, you can't murder him, it's wrong!" to, himself, murdering children like...minutes later. I think people were expecting the turn to be more gradual than that. But it seems to be an on/off switch.
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LinkesAuge posted:But he didn't even "learn" that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, he just heard a myth (are we supposed to think of Anakin as literal child who believes every story he is told?). Palpatine didn't offer him any powers, there was no proof that he could actually have such a power nor does he even know if the Sith still exist or who they are (up until that certain moment). Please reformat this if you actually want anyone to read it.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 19:21 |
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weekly font posted:The experimental poo poo will come from the one-shot movies. They're gonna play it real close to the vest with the numbered series. I predict the opposite. The spinoffs will be rote paint-by-numbers (with branded Star Wars crayons) dross and eps 8 & 9 might try to do something with the material after 7 gets a mixed reception.
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boy, i don't know about you guys, but i love star wars
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I've been going through a rewatch of the whole series in episode order, and Cnut and SMG's postings in the old thread have made those movies way more interesting than I remembered. I'd forgotten how often the droids in those films scream when they die. Another thing that struck me in TPM is the scene where Anakin is packing up and is talking to C3P0 about how he wasn't going to be able to finish him, and would try to make sure his mom wouldn't sell him. When the scene looks at C3P0 it's a normal shot, but when the camera is on Anakin (the recently freed slave) talking about how he'll make sure his mom doesn't sell 3P0, it's shot from what looks like 3P0's first person perspective. Is that one of the only times we have a first person shot in any of the Star Wars films? It really stood out to me.
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LinkesAuge posted:But he didn't even "learn" that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, he just heard a myth (are we supposed to think of Anakin as literal child who believes every story he is told?). Palpatine didn't offer him any powers, there was no proof that he could actually have such a power nor does he even know if the Sith still exist or who they are (up until that certain moment). In the end he even admits that he doesn't know the secret to Plagueis' power to resurrect the dead but he's sure he can discover it with Anakin's help.
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ATP_Power posted:I've been going through a rewatch of the whole series in episode order, and Cnut and SMG's postings in the old thread have made those movies way more interesting than I remembered. I'd forgotten how often the droids in those films scream when they die. Mmmmmm I think there's a similar POV shot in Return of the Jedi when Leia is alone in the forest and looking for the thing that rattles Wicked. Might remember it wrong tho.
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Is there a POV shot from the mouth of the Sarlacc?
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 19:28 |
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LinkesAuge posted:But he didn't even "learn" that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, he just heard a myth (are we supposed to think of Anakin as literal child who believes every story he is told?). Palpatine didn't offer him any powers, there was no proof that he could actually have such a power nor does he even know if the Sith still exist or who they are (up until that certain moment). I can't tell you how interesting it is when someone posts their long manifesto on how the prequels should have gone.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 19:31 |
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The prequels are about the fall of institutions as much as they are about Anakin himself. TPM isn't a waste of a film—in fact it gives us the good-hearted, heroic Anakin that people always talk about. It is more saccharine than the other movies, but only as a way of covering up the sickness in both the Republic and the Jedi Order. AOTC is all about the blindness of the Jedi (while they get duped into a galactic war, thinking all the while that they've solved a big mystery) and the ways in which they are failing their star pupil. I don't see why the prequels would have been better if the Jedi were more straightforward heroes and the Sith were overt bad guys the whole time. The Sith in these movies are effective villains because they're conniving bastards. ATP_Power posted:Another thing that struck me in TPM is the scene where Anakin is packing up and is talking to C3P0 about how he wasn't going to be able to finish him, and would try to make sure his mom wouldn't sell him. When the scene looks at C3P0 it's a normal shot, but when the camera is on Anakin (the recently freed slave) talking about how he'll make sure his mom doesn't sell 3P0, it's shot from what looks like 3P0's first person perspective. Is that one of the only times we have a first person shot in any of the Star Wars films? It really stood out to me. I believe there's at least one more in AOTC, when Anakin is riding in the cart in the arena and cutting down droids as he goes. I think there was one other POV shot, but I can't remember where.
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BigglesSWE posted:Mmmmmm I think there's a similar POV shot in Return of the Jedi when Leia is alone in the forest and looking for the thing that rattles Wicked. Might remember it wrong tho. Its close to a POV shot; I don't think you get the headbob like the 3PO one though.
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$474,544,677 $310,676,740 $380,270,577 This is how much the "bad" prequels made. I don't know why this would lead people to believe that Disney wants to play it safe this time around. No matter what, it being a Star Wars film means it will print money. Adjusting due to inflation, plus the cash-grab format up-sells like 3D, fake IMAX, and real IMAX means that its almost guaranteed to make more than Episode 1 did. (Just a side note, The Clone Wars movie that was released in theaters has already been surpassed at the box office by The Force Awakens via $50 million+ in pre-sales) If you want to claim the "safe" angle because of JJ (or Colin Trevorrow for that matter), that's one thing that you MIGHT be able to back up. But nothing about Rian Johnson's career points to him playing anything safe.
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LinkesAuge posted:But he didn't even "learn" that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, he just heard a myth (are we supposed to think of Anakin as literal child who believes every story he is told?). quote:Do all of that if you want to tell the story of Bail Organa but keep it to a minimum if you want to tell an epic scfi-fantasy story and not a political drama. An epic sci-fi fantasy, such as Star Wars in this particular example, is a sort of political drama.
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Mahoning posted:$474,544,677 One trilogy will do well no matter what, but Disney has invested $4 billion dollars in this bitch. They're wanting to put one out every year for the rest of time, you can be drat sure they want to get off on the right foot with something that's really crowd pleasing.
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I expect that Episode VII will "play it safe" in the same sense that Episode IV did, e.g. it's setting up a false moral clarity for its sequels to subvert.
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Star Wars killed New Hollywood and must die in agony for proving that Jaws-level blockbusters could be replicated.
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Jack Gladney posted:Star Wars killed New Hollywood and must die in agony for proving that Jaws-level blockbusters could be replicated. Begun, the Clone Wars had.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's because kids were going apeshit for Lord of the Rings and the prequels were distant second bananas two out of three times. LOTR and the PT were only in theaters for one year together (2002), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even the same time of year.
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Frackie Robinson posted:The prequels were all about telling the fans that they really need to grow up, get laid, and set childish things aside, so I imagine the new ones will be, "no, it's still okay to like Star Wars, you're not a man-child, this is all as cool as you remember" Actually the two people who stop being childish and grow up (Anakin, Jar Jar) ruin the galaxy, so, I dunno. If it advocates anything about lifestyle it's a balance of logic and emotion and that too much of one is dangerous.
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Josh Lyman posted:Why the hell would you do that?
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 19:56 |
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If this movie is really good I think it will do what the Phantom Menace was thought would do and that's break the box office record. I hope so because I really dislike Avatar. (Titanic's cool though)
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computer parts posted:LOTR and the PT were only in theaters for one year together (2002), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even the same time of year. Really? I remember a really embarrassing attempt at having Yoda rap to overshadow Gollum winning an award at some mtv thing in 2003.
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kiimo posted:If this movie is really good I think it will do what the Phantom Menace was thought would do and that's break the box office record. I hope so because I really dislike Avatar. (Titanic's cool though) Avatar was one of those films that I really liked when I saw it (twice), but now it just seems thoroughly mediocre.
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Jack Gladney posted:Star Wars killed New Hollywood and must die in agony for proving that Jaws-level blockbusters could be replicated. Gilles Deleuze angrily shakes his fist at the passing TIE fighter.
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mr.capps posted:boy, i don't know about you guys, but i love star wars no SHUT UP people need to read my c+ film class 1101 analysis!
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Zoran posted:Avatar was one of those films that I really liked when I saw it (twice), but now it just seems thoroughly mediocre. We need a 900 page thread evangelising Avatar in excruciating detail.
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Oh I forgot another cool tidbit from the 60 Minutes Overtime videos was JJ talking about the writing process with Lawrence Kasden. He talked about how he would have an idea and Kasden would be like "NO, you don't need to say that, the character doesn't need to say that. Just trust the characters." I was both shocked that JJ thought this was a novel idea, and relieved that Kasden helped write this movie.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 20:07 |
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Steve2911 posted:We need a 900 page thread evangelising Avatar in excruciating detail. Be the change you want to see ignored in the world.
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Lawrence Kasdan's involvement is the chief reason why optimism is warranted, I think.
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Race Realists posted:no SHUT UP people need to read my c+ film class 1101 analysis! Film discussion in the film discussion forum, my stars
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thrawn527 posted:I think the bigger problem here is that Anakin goes from "No, you can't murder him, it's wrong!" to, himself, murdering children like...minutes later. This bothered me too. But he just helped a sith lord kill a master jedi. Probably as rock bottom as rock bottom can get. I imagine he completely embraced the evil because to do anything less at that point would have caused him to go insane with guilt/regret.
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Steve2911 posted:We need a 900 page thread evangelising Avatar in excruciating detail. If someone could write about that film and show me interesting things about it that I didn't understand years ago, I'd be happy to read it.
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Mahoning posted:Oh I forgot another cool tidbit from the 60 Minutes Overtime videos was JJ talking about the writing process with Lawrence Kasden. He talked about how he would have an idea and Kasden would be like "NO, you don't need to say that, the character doesn't need to say that. Just trust the characters." Kasden was an adorable salty old man 20 years ago. I can't imagine what he's like now.
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thrawn527 posted:I think the bigger problem here is that Anakin goes from "No, you can't murder him, it's wrong!" to, himself, murdering children like...minutes later. Honestly it was the previous film where I became completely disconnected from the original prequels at that point. Anakin gets back from murdering a whole tribe of Sand People, revealing to Padme that he not only killed the men but the women and the children too. And then...nothing. She literally says nothing. It's almost forgotten in the next 2 minutes and its never brought up again. It's like she didn't care, and we shouldn't either. I remember my immersion was so broken that I was actually looking around the theater at people rather than watching the film.
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spacetoaster posted:This bothered me too. But he just helped a sith lord kill a master jedi. Probably as rock bottom as rock bottom can get. At that point, all he has left is the belief that he can still salvage the situation by going along with Sidious until he learns what he needs to learn, then killing him, taking over the galaxy, and establishing a benevolent dictatorship free of Jedi. Rock bottom is when he thinks he hosed it up by killing his wife. And only when he discovers Luke does he again entertain the possibility of atonement. (Which he gets, but not in the way he expected.)
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spacetoaster posted:This bothered me too. But he just helped a sith lord kill a master jedi. Probably as rock bottom as rock bottom can get. Nah I think killing a classroom full of terrified children is worse. Nelson Mandingo posted:Honestly it was the previous film where I became completely disconnected from the original prequels at that point. Anakin gets back from murdering a whole tribe of Sand People, revealing to Padme that he not only killed the men but the women and the children too. Padme is a racist.
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Steve2911 posted:Nah I think killing a classroom full of terrified children is worse. Nobody said it wasn't. I'm just saying by that point he's already completely over to the dark side.
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Race Realists posted:is.. is this some sort of bait? I think it's just more that people have already seem to have decided that Ep VII is the most awesome movie ever, so it's going to be hard to find a objective review. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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In my opinion the new Star Wars movie will make a lot of money, not just in the box office but also all of the merchandizing. - Peggy Hill
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Is Annakin or Ben the terrorist?
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