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First grade teacher points to a rainbow. What color is that? asks the teacher. I timidly raise my hand. Co-colorless?
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Call me crazy, but would Kalitas be a decent 4 drop to test in jund in comparison to huntmaster and olivia? It has really good synergy with the million removal spells you play and it doesn't instantly die to bolt like the other two.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:24
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Lottery of Babylon posted:All mana in your mana pool is exactly one of W, U, B, R, G, and C. That's why C is basically a sixth color in a way that "mana produced by creatures" is not. Except all of the other colors are defined by having specific properties to cards that are those colors beyond "well you have to use this color to cast it" which is literally all that defines Eldrazi that require ♦ to cast. Colorless is defined by the same nothing it was defined by before because 99.9% of colorless spells operate entirely off of generic mana. Samael posted:Call me crazy, but would Kalitas be a decent 4 drop to test in jund in comparison to huntmaster and olivia? It has really good synergy with the million removal spells you play and it doesn't instantly die to bolt like the other two. Living through Bolt is nice, but I think the difference is that Olivia typically just wins the game if she's not answered immediately. And I think Olivia is less played than Huntmaster is. I guess its decent in that it shuts off infinite life combos? Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 00:27
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Samael posted:Call me crazy, but would Kalitas be a decent 4 drop to test in jund in comparison to huntmaster and olivia? It has really good synergy with the million removal spells you play and it doesn't instantly die to bolt like the other two. If you cast a four drop, have a grip of relevant removal spells, and your opponent can't kill you or the four drop quickly, then you've already won the game and don't care what the creature's text box says, imo.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:30
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Besides, Pia and Kirin Nalaar is the new sleeper hit 4 drop if you're in red. Card has been doing better in modern decks than I think anyone ever expected.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:31
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Colorless mana symbol is really easy to understand
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Dec 15, 2015 00:32
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Chill la Chill posted:First grade teacher points to a rainbow. What color is that? asks the teacher. I for one, can't wait for the smartass who says, "well technically black isn't a color and white is every color." 
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Dec 15, 2015 00:35
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It doesn't matter if you're black or white, unless you're playing Magic: The Gathering: A Deckmaster Game.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:36
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If Diamond is recognized as a new color I will throw a fit & knock over my bottle
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Dec 15, 2015 00:37
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you may think you have won this game of Magic: The Gathering. but wait until i unleash the power of the SIXTH COLOR OF MANA
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Dec 15, 2015 00:38
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The worst submarine posted:If Diamond is recognized as a new color I will throw a fit & knock over my bottle It won't be but for the purpose of casting costs it might as well be
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Dec 15, 2015 00:38
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Colorless doesn't count for sunburst or converge - wrap it up sixthcolorailures
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Dec 15, 2015 00:39
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This is not even my true form. There is a color beyond... *eldritch horror throws color balance off as people go mad trying to understand* Angry Grimace posted:I for one, can't wait for the smartass who says, "well technically black isn't a color and white is every color." And this student's name? Timmy.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:42
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Chill la Chill posted:First grade teacher points to a rainbow. What color is that? asks the teacher. WRONG! Generic. Samael posted:Call me crazy, but would Kalitas be a decent 4 drop to test in jund in comparison to huntmaster and olivia? It has really good synergy with the million removal spells you play and it doesn't instantly die to bolt like the other two. Yes, been discussing this today with a friend. Pretty sure it is better than huntmaster in most every situation. It has so many upsides for jund. Makes all removal 2:1 in your favor, great against burn, valuable against Tron, and any other tricksy combo decks with finks/redcap. I think it would even work against the Hulk Foosteps deck, sacing the hulk EOT will cause it to be exiled. jassi007 fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 00:46
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Chill la Chill posted:This is not even my true form. There is a color beyond... I like to think that the exploding of (some) Magic players' heads as they try to grasp the concept of the C symbol is exactly analogous to what in-universe planeswalkers are experiencing as they see the horrifying reality of Kozilek's emergence. They've never before had to think about what colorless mana actually was or how it could be different from generic mana... and maybe, before, there truly was no significant difference... but now they see, they SEEEEEEEEEEE
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Dec 15, 2015 00:49
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JerryLee posted:I like to think that the exploding of (some) Magic players' heads as they try to grasp the concept of the C symbol is exactly analogous to what in-universe planeswalkers are experiencing as they see the horrifying reality of Kozilek's emergence. They've never before had to think about what colorless mana actually was or how it could be different from generic mana... and maybe, before, there truly was no significant difference... but now they see, they SEEEEEEEEEEE The true eldritch horror. Confronting the idea that colorless mana is not generic. Maybe this will be what finally kills Jace.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:51
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Where we're going, we don't need Islands to C.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:53
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If you think about it, each hybrid symbol is also another color and so is Phyrexian mana so really there are twenty one colors
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Dec 15, 2015 00:55
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Why haven't there been 2 pages of posts about a possible Inquisition of Kozilek reprint yet? Disappointed in you guys.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:57
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stinkles1112 posted:If you think about it, each hybrid symbol is also another color and so is Phyrexian mana so really there are twenty one colors Twobrid and snow makes 31.
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Dec 15, 2015 00:59
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Allstone posted:Twobrid and snow makes 31. Well this is just getting ridiculous
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Dec 15, 2015 01:05
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so many loving colors maro has been killing magic for years!!!!!!
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Dec 15, 2015 01:11
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Love has no colors.
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Dec 15, 2015 01:26
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Some Numbers posted:No, WUBRG can be used to pay for generic. That confusion is precisely why they gave C a symbol. That confusion didn't exist until they invented ♦ as a casting restriction that is no different from any other 6th color implementation and is completely mechanically identical to color restrictions. Until the ♦ symbol showed up in a casting cost there was literally no functional difference between using generic mana in a colorless spell versus using colored mana as generic. I think it's dumb as hell for a gimmicky "colorless" mechanic that doesn't need to exist and offers very little to the game, but thankfully maro had some post where he admitted it's a dumb mechanical gimmick for the set and not some actual forward-moving evergreen design tool (not as colorfully as I did, but he said it's an OGW mechanic and we won't see wastes in future sets).
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Dec 15, 2015 01:37
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Ramos posted:Love has no colors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo
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Dec 15, 2015 01:41
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Why haven't there been 2 pages of posts about a possible Inquisition of Kozilek reprint yet? Disappointed in you guys. Because we know WotC too well to be disappointed when development writes an article about how IoK was never even considered for reprint as it's so astronomically powerful compared to the weak cards they actually print to be played in standard.
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Dec 15, 2015 01:42
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Sigma-X posted:That confusion didn't exist until they invented ♦ as a casting restriction that is no different from any other 6th color implementation and is completely mechanically identical to color restrictions. Until the ♦ symbol showed up in a casting cost there was literally no functional difference between using generic mana in a colorless spell versus using colored mana as generic. its also not confusing at all
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Dec 15, 2015 01:54
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Why haven't there been 2 pages of posts about a possible Inquisition of Kozilek reprint yet? Disappointed in you guys. We suffered through Thoughtseize Standard too recently to be hype about another, arguably stronger, 1 cmc discard spell.
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Dec 15, 2015 01:54
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Sigma-X posted:using generic mana in a colorless spell versus using colored mana as generic. a) You don't USE generic mana. Generic mana appears only in mana costs. You can use coloured mana to pay for a generic mana cost. b) MaRo has literally said that colourless as a cost is a deciduous mechanic, like Hybrid VV: Woop yeah you're right. Serperoth fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 01:56
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Scry is evergreen now, not deciduous.
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Dec 15, 2015 01:58
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Bread Set Jettison posted:its also not confusing at all i am really amazed at how people are trying their damnedest to not understand an incredibly simple concept, that they are now visually indicating that colorless mana and generic mana are not the same so they can do colorless as a cost
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Dec 15, 2015 02:09
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The Lord of Hats posted:We suffered through Thoughtseize Standard too recently to be hype about another, arguably stronger, 1 cmc discard spell. I just found it funny that before bfz was spoiled there were pages of people arguing about an IoK reprint, and now that Kozilek has actually been spoiled it hasn't been mentioned.
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Dec 15, 2015 02:10
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The Lord of Hats posted:We suffered through Thoughtseize Standard too recently to be hype about another, arguably stronger, 1 cmc discard spell. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh IoK is really good but thoughtseize is probably more powerful on the whole i mean if it did get reprinted it would be played in every black deck just like thoughtseize so it doesn't really matter
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Dec 15, 2015 02:12
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Could they print something which "ignores" hexproof? Cards that straight up ignore keywords seems like a weird enough thing for eldrazi to do. Like a 3 mana naturalize that could target the untargetable? They could also just make it say "choose an artifact in play. Each player sacrifices each artifact they control that shares a name with that artifact" if they didn't want break a rule for the sake of breaking it.
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Dec 15, 2015 02:33
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Gensuki posted:Could they print something which "ignores" hexproof? Cards that straight up ignore keywords seems like a weird enough thing for eldrazi to do. council's judgement does what you're talking about i think
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Dec 15, 2015 02:37
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Gensuki posted:Could they print something which "ignores" hexproof? Cards that straight up ignore keywords seems like a weird enough thing for eldrazi to do. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=366334 They also did a cycle of creatures in theros block, one of them made opponents creatures lose and unable to gain hexproof.
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Dec 15, 2015 02:41
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Gensuki posted:Could they print something which "ignores" hexproof? Cards that straight up ignore keywords seems like a weird enough thing for eldrazi to do.
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Serperoth posted:a) You don't USE generic mana. Generic mana appears only in mana costs. You can use coloured mana to pay for a generic mana cost. Where did he say that? I must have misread something.
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Dec 15, 2015 02:47
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mandatory lesbian posted:i am really amazed at how people are trying their damnedest to not understand an incredibly simple concept, that they are now visually indicating that colorless mana and generic mana are not the same so they can do colorless as a cost The funny part is if you say to someone "oh neat now my Kozilek EDH deck has basic lands" they understand it with no problem. There are 5 colors + colorless. But try to say its a 6th whatever, hooo boy.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Why haven't there been 2 pages of posts about a possible Inquisition of Kozilek reprint yet? Disappointed in you guys. Why would there be? It's thematically Eldrazi but not devoid, they can't include it. It's why we got a pale imitation with cool art in Battle, I think.
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