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Back when I used to read Star Trek novels in the early 90s, there was one that talked about how Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru test. It also suggested that Chekov and Scotty beat it, and it was generally pretty bad, but in it, Kirk reprograms the simulator so that the Klingon captains recognize him as some famous starship captain and immediately cease fire and offer to him assistance. It was pretty corny. But it was also better than what was in the NuTrek film.
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My Q-Face posted:I used to read Star Trek novels in the early 90s Iprazochrome posted:Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable' My Q-Face posted:Ugh, no they weren't.
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Dec 14, 2015 20:28
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Yes, my tastes haven't changed in 23 years!
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Dec 14, 2015 20:35
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Are you now a Nu Trek fan?
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My Q-Face posted:Ugh, no they weren't. All of this is dumb and has valid counterpoints. Slowly come around to liking the new movies as you imagine I have written all of the counterpoints here:
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Dec 14, 2015 21:31
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redbackground posted:I liked the ship-to-ship spacedive It felt like a Firefly movie with better direction and actors but worse sets
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My Q-Face posted:Ugh, no they weren't. i thought the first star trek was fine but that whole scene was unimaginably garbage
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Dec 14, 2015 21:42
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Honestly, that's far too respectable a picture. That guy almost looks good in his suit and dumb hat and fake sword. He's not even obese, give me obesity.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:50
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you could cut that entire scene out and lose nothing. it's totally self-contained. kid steals a car, joyrides, gets pulled over by weird, tonally inaccurate fascist (robot?) cop, screams MY NAME IS JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK like humans do. end of scene. we learn nothing from this. we already know kirk is a hothead and if we don't know anything about kirk we don't care about this kid or why his name is important. then in the film they establish repeatedly, constantly, that kirk is a rebellious hothead. it's pointless and awful and should have been cut entirely
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Dec 14, 2015 21:51
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Tezzor posted:i thought the first star trek was fine but that whole scene was unimaginably garbage It was a fun movie with the occasional inexplicable scene that did nothing for the plot or character arcs. I can agree with that
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Dec 14, 2015 21:51
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That trailer looks even more blue and orange than Into Darkness
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Dec 14, 2015 21:53
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Booblord Zagats posted:It was a fun movie with the occasional inexplicable scene that did nothing for the plot or character arcs. I can agree with that Unfortunately, the occasional inexplicable scenes outweighed the good scenes. Or the one.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:02
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Tezzor posted:you could cut that entire scene out and lose nothing. it's totally self-contained. kid steals a car, joyrides, gets pulled over by weird, tonally inaccurate fascist (robot?) cop, screams MY NAME IS JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK like humans do. end of scene. we learn nothing from this. we already know kirk is a hothead and if we don't know anything about kirk we don't care about this kid or why his name is important. then in the film they establish repeatedly, constantly, that kirk is a rebellious hothead. it's pointless and awful and should have been cut entirely It was also sandwiched right next to the best scene in the entire rebooted franchise so far, the destruction of the kelvin
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Dec 14, 2015 22:11
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I hated how old Spock was shoveled into new trek, killed the entire reboot for me. Khan had its own mess of poo poo. Khan is supposed to be a "bad guy" but he doesn't do anything evil that isn't in direct response to Robocop being a complete shithead. Then old Spock comes along and all the sudden we can't trust Khan. The whole movie is predicated on the idea that you've already seen Wrath of Khan to give everything context. poo poo, Khan even saves Kirk at the beginning of the film which he didn't need to do. Edit: oh god JJ is gonna gently caress up Star Wars too...
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lol if u sincerely try to discern the motivations of characters in into darknes
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Rabble posted:Edit: oh god JJ is gonna gently caress up Star Wars too... I can't loving wait for the drama out of that one. I'll post nonstop for days about how it was a "fun" movie and despite its flaws was a great action flick. The tears from those nerds will be so sweet
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Mr. Pumroy posted:lol if u sincerely try to discern the motivations of characters in into darknes It's easier than you'd think "My name is Bendlyman Cimbersquatch and the script says I gotta look mean and press laser buttons!"
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Dec 14, 2015 23:22
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JJ didn't care about Trek, he cares about Star Wars. That's the hope, anyway. A new hope, if you will.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:23
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J.J. W. Abrams doesn't care about space people.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:25
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Didn't the last movie blatantly setup the facial piercing nu klingon story for the third movie? I didn't see a single forehead ridge, pierced or otherwise. Also, why is there a jem'hedar? Real insightful posting by this shitstain again. It's been literal seconds since I've seen anyone mention a fedora 
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Dec 14, 2015 23:27
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BottledBodhisvata posted:JJ didn't care about Trek, he cares about Star Wars. That's the hope, anyway. A new hope, if you will. Actually, now that I think about it, I bet the lens flaresŪ in the Trek reboots is JJ's brilliant plan to distinguish Trek from Wars.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:JJ didn't care about Trek, he cares about Star Wars. That's the hope, anyway. A new hope, if you will. JJ "it's bad because he didn't care" Abrams is gonna ruin everyone's childhood.
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I'm just waiting for the inevitable Star Wars/ Star Trek crossover movie. Even if it doesn't make sense.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I'm just waiting for the inevitable Star Wars/ Star Trek crossover movie. Even if it doesn't make sense. Nah, they've done a few Time Travel Star Trek movies. Them travelling to a Long Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Away will makes sense. Don't worry.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:56
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Star Trek 09 is my favourite star wars movie. So I think JJ will do good with the new Wars. Justin Lin of Fast And Furious might be able to pull off a decent trek. Too bad it's the already poo poo reboot trek he's making : (
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Rabble posted:I hated how old Spock was shoveled into new trek, killed the entire reboot for me. Khan murders poo poo tons of innocent people to accomplish his goal of potentially conquering Earth with a big battleship. How was he not a bad guy?
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Nah, they've done a few Time Travel Star Trek movies. Them travelling to a Long Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Away will makes sense. Don't worry. 
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Honestly, that's far too respectable a picture. That guy almost looks good in his suit and dumb hat and fake sword. He's not even obese, give me obesity. eh, he still buttoned the bottom button. he was so close too
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my reflexive feel about the new movie trailer is "holy poo poo thats gonna be so bad" but justin lin is not the type to have the movie take itself too seriously or be totally dependent on nonsensical callbacks to the original series, which gives me some hope that itll be reasonably fun and dumb action sci-fi with a minimum of the stuff that made into darkness hot garbage
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The fat lady isn't going to sing until the Borg show up in reboot trek
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BottledBodhisvata posted:JJ didn't care about Trek, he cares about Star Wars. That's the hope, anyway. A new hope, if you will. or A NU START
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KHAN DID NOTHING WRONG
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i love the new trek movies because they make the fans of the old ones really mad
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A star destroyer would loving annihilate the Enterprise. The Enterprise has what, like 10 phaser banks and 200 torpedoes? Half the time their weapons don't even do poo poo. A Star Destroyer has like 2000 turbolaser batteries and 1500000 TIE fighters and ion cannons and like a million torpedoes. Also the laser bolts are actually super heated gas and you can estimate their payload from the asteroid scene in Empire and
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"Mr. Data, set our shields to deflect superheated gas" 'They already are captain, as that is the primary hazard we encounter every minute of every day while traveling through space at warp speed" "Engage" "Again captain, I have" "gently caress off" "loving off, captain."
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i hope this will be more of an ensemble movie yes these new treks are dumb but i like the cast and maybe they can get a chance at having scenes beyond (ho ho) kirk and spoc making angry kissy faces at each other
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Nostrum posted:A star destroyer would loving annihilate the Enterprise. The Enterprise has what, like 10 phaser banks and 200 torpedoes? Half the time their weapons don't even do poo poo. A Star Destroyer has like 2000 turbolaser batteries and 1500000 TIE fighters and ion cannons and like a million torpedoes. Also the laser bolts are actually super heated gas and you can estimate their payload from the asteroid scene in Empire and I think the Culture would win most sci-fi space battles, not even because of their technology sophistication or the scale of their ships, but simply because Banks took the notion of crazy sci-fi space battles to the logical conclusion of doing poo poo like teleporting singularities right into the middle of the enemy instead of having nice WW2 naval battles with pew-pew weapons in space. I suppose it would look boring on TV or film though, hence the fanciest thing you get is something like the Picard Maneuver.
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eSports Chaebol posted:I think the Culture would win most sci-fi space battles, not even because of their technology sophistication or the scale of their ships, but simply because Banks took the notion of crazy sci-fi space battles to the logical conclusion of doing poo poo like teleporting singularities right into the middle of the enemy instead of having nice WW2 naval battles with pew-pew weapons in space. I suppose it would look boring on TV or film though, hence the fanciest thing you get is something like the Picard Maneuver. *Ship Mind and a human passenger* Mind: There's a hostile ship 80 minutes away from us. I'm going to engage it. *Mind starts detailing all of the crazy maneuvers, feints, and attacks* Human: This is intense, are we safe? Mind: Hmm? Oh, the fight was over before I finished the first word. I'm just replaying the video.
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Arguing trek vs wars should make your PC install a usenet client and direct people to alt.binaries.erotica.trek.vs.wars.sexxx where it has been fought since the dawn of net
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