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Toshimo posted:Which is IT's greatest foe: Leadership
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Dec 15, 2015 04:27
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Toshimo posted:Which is IT's greatest foe: Marketing x10000
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Dec 15, 2015 04:27
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Sales is the worst when they lie about what IT can do, so 100% of the time.
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Dec 15, 2015 04:30
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CLAM DOWN posted:Marketing x10000 This. They are the ones that fill file servers with crap and then complain about it being slow when they try to use photoshop across the network. Pro Tip: Don't use Adobe apps on files residing elsewhere, or you will have a bad time.
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Dec 15, 2015 04:43
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the CTO
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Dec 15, 2015 04:44
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Toshimo posted:Which is IT's greatest foe: D) Printers.
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Dec 15, 2015 04:48
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It's totally HR. Can anyone say the new hire and termination handoff is as good as it could be in your head?
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Dec 15, 2015 04:58
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It's Management. They could whip those three into shape if they weren't myopic/apathetic/complicit.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:02
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Customers. So I guess that means, indirectly, sales.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:04
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KS posted:It's totally HR. Can anyone say the new hire and termination handoff is as good as it could be in your head? Correct. Marketing begged and pleaded for a NAS that they never used, Sales contacted my boss's boss to explain why his IT issue was more important than anything else I have going on, but HR, week after week, could not understand that if we insist on a week lead time for new hires, we're not budging. "But it makes the company look bad when I hire people on Thursday and they don't have a computer on Monday!"
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Dec 15, 2015 05:08
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jaegerx posted:Leadership
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Dec 15, 2015 05:16
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The training department is my nemesis. No one else has such unrealistic ideas.
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Dec 15, 2015 06:18
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Toshimo posted:Which is IT's greatest foe: All of the above.
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Dec 15, 2015 08:35
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Users
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Dec 15, 2015 08:37
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Toshimo posted:Which is IT's greatest foe: This is one of those great, unanswerable questions. Like a tree falling in the woods
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Dec 15, 2015 09:45
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IT's greatest foe is itself.
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Dec 15, 2015 10:08
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jaegerx posted:Well I'm not sure what defines a cookie bar but one place had a milkshake machine with a huge selection of ice cream. How obese were the employees at this place?
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Dec 15, 2015 12:57
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jaegerx posted:At my new job I get to travel to lots of other companies and see how they treat their employees. Apparently I need to get some of this "talent." 
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Dec 15, 2015 14:36
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How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? Also I guess the moral here is "never pay list price"?
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Dec 15, 2015 15:40
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Just found out one of our contractors is being let go because he is in the hospital for an unknown amount of time (something with dialysis). And the dude they want to replace him with is so bad that we are just going to cut that guy loose in a month. And the other guy we wanted is in India for an unknown amount of time, so we don't know if we're getting him. So, we'll be down 3 dudes, and one guy is getting kicked to the curb just in time for Xmas. Where is my :whisky: emote?
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Dec 15, 2015 16:26
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ChickenWing posted:Hey IT nerds you might know the answer to this question: The only safe option is to reinflate the data before you upgrade or wipe it and restore it from backup after you upgrade. 2016 isn't RTM yet and even ReFS volumes have broken between TPs, so don't expect an against-EULA hack job with dedupe to survive or even behave consistently.
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Dec 15, 2015 16:27
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keseph posted:The only safe option is to reinflate the data before you upgrade or wipe it and restore it from backup after you upgrade. 2016 isn't RTM yet and even ReFS volumes have broken between TPs, so don't expect an against-EULA hack job with dedupe to survive or even behave consistently. That's sorta what I figured. Luckily, it won't be nearly half as bad as I expected - I've saved a decent bit of space, but nowhere near enough to have problems reinflating.
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Dec 15, 2015 16:30
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Sheep posted:How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? Depends on what exactly you are purchasing but %99 of the time list price is complete bullshit. For most things you should be able to get %50 off list pretty easily. If you do a lot of volume through a vendor you may get another %10 or so and if you come across a sales guy who needs to hit a number no matter how unprofitable you can probaly hit %75-80 off list price. Personally I would pay more for them to quit calling me every loving day and trying to quote me for stuff I dont need.
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Dec 15, 2015 16:48
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Sheep posted:How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? It varies, but it's often pretty extreme. I recently got a software cost quoted at 275k down to 140k and I'm pretty sure I could have gone lower.
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Dec 15, 2015 17:09
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Sheep posted:How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? We recently had a company come down from 300k to roughly 125k for a product we wanted. You can be pretty aggressive, especially at the end of the year.
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Dec 15, 2015 17:38
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I have a replacement San quote in front of me that is 55% off list. We can likely do better since we haven't kicked in the refresh for our DR San yet.
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Dec 15, 2015 17:50
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I had a £120k IBM SAN quote down to £38k a couple years back.
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Dec 15, 2015 18:18
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Sheep posted:How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? Depends. Software the cuts are amazing at the end of every quarter/year. A 20k quote should be purchased for no more than 8k or 9k towards the end of the year. Hardware varies a lot more. We made a switch to a new network vendor last year, original quote was 330k for new core/edge switches, final price was around 170k iirc, I waited for the end of their quarter to buy. I'm buying for our new building next week, I don't need the switches until May, but getting 50-60% off the original 'gold tier' pricing is worth having them sit in boxes in my data center.
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Dec 15, 2015 18:55
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DigitalMocking posted:Depends. Software the cuts are amazing at the end of every quarter/year. A 20k quote should be purchased for no more than 8k or 9k towards the end of the year.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:24
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yeah knowing your vendors(and if you're a MSP, your clients) fiscal calendar is a good way to get poo poo in that might otherwise be unattractive at another time of the year
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Dec 15, 2015 19:46
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Sheep posted:How far off list price are people normally able to negotiate? With the end of the year and budget money drying up I've been kind of blown away - get quotes from vendors for like $12000, say "welp we don't have the money for that", they come back with "we managed to get it down to $8500". How low does this stuff actually go? A lot of it depends. I work for a partner reseller, and our salespeople are typically willing to take a cut to their hardware margins if the customer starts tacking on things like professional services and additional support packages, which typically have a much higher gross profit. Then there's also times when partners and even vendors will be willing to take a hit to their margins in order to position a particular system or product that is considered strategic and that will generate future hardware or service sales. For example, if we can replace a couple of EoL switches in your data center with Nexus 9ks on the cheap, it's very likely that you'll be coming back to us for more Nexus stuff (and probably consulting services) down the line. psydude fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 21:01
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You also definitely want to play vendors against each other. If they can come in and replace all of Vendor X's gear with their own, or beat them on a big sale, they'll often go to great lengths to make that happen. A simple "Gee, NetApp, thanks for the quote. We just got one in from EMC that is extremely aggressive, too. I'm really going to have to think about this" can have a 10%+ lower quote in your inbox before you finish clicking Send.
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Dec 15, 2015 21:51
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Docjowles posted:You also definitely want to play vendors against each other. If they can come in and replace all of Vendor X's gear with their own, or beat them on a big sale, they'll often go to great lengths to make that happen. A simple "Gee, NetApp, thanks for the quote. We just got one in from EMC that is extremely aggressive, too. I'm really going to have to think about this" can have a 10%+ lower quote in your inbox before you finish clicking Send. Yup, because once their equipment is in there, you're likely to buy it again rather than switch to a new vendor and learn all new stuff/change everything around.
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Dec 15, 2015 22:28
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Cisco's standard discount with no negotiation or special pricing is like 42 off list for route and switch and over 60 for some products like UCS and collab. You can easily get into the 50s and 70s with deal registration. Yes, never pay list.
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Dec 16, 2015 00:01
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Docjowles posted:You also definitely want to play vendors against each other. If they can come in and replace all of Vendor X's gear with their own, or beat them on a big sale, they'll often go to great lengths to make that happen. A simple "Gee, NetApp, thanks for the quote. We just got one in from EMC that is extremely aggressive, too. I'm really going to have to think about this" can have a 10%+ lower quote in your inbox before you finish clicking Send.
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Dec 16, 2015 00:06
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I wasn't suggesting you lie about it. If you're doing your due diligence you really should have quotes from multiple sources. Just saying that instead of stopping at the first round of quotes, you can then use that information to go back to the negotiating table.
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Dec 16, 2015 00:52
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KS posted:Cisco's standard discount with no negotiation or special pricing is like 42 off list for route and switch and over 60 for some products like UCS and collab. You can easily get into the 50s and 70s with deal registration. I've got a quote in hand for 82% off on some UCS gear. It was still much higher than the winning bidder.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:21
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Had a wierd/good closed door conversation with my director today. Good part is that i'm still getting my quarterly bonus even though I didn't hit the second half of my goal sheet, since I was sidetracked for a month with an unexpected high priority project. Wierd part is that he knows the Sr. Admin is looking, and wants me to quietly start looking into and understanding the infrastructure the Sr. Admin is in charge of. He then in not so many words expressed his displeasure with the Sr. Admin's work ethic and how he was quickly heading in the wrong direction with some of his projects. Somewhat unprofessional as a manager in my opinion, that's the kind of thing you say to a managerial peer, not a subordinate about another subordinate. Bodes well though, here's hoping for a promotion soon. 
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Dec 16, 2015 02:24
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Docjowles posted:I wasn't suggesting you lie about it. If you're doing your due diligence you really should have quotes from multiple sources. Just saying that instead of stopping at the first round of quotes, you can then use that information to go back to the negotiating table. I definitely recommend this. For example, Cisco is scared poo poo less of Palo, especially when it comes to anything layer 7 in small and medium sized environments. And Palo is better for those environments, but you can usually get a great deal from Cisco if you hit them with a Palo quote.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:53
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50% or you aren't trying. Our VAR knows we know the scoop and doesn't gently caress around with us until it's near there.
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