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the_homemaster
Dec 7, 2015

Barbe Rouge posted:

Just finished Adrian Tchaikovsky's newest book and I liked it. It's SF with mainly spiders, but there are other bugs.
Considering the fact that his fantasy series is about humans with bug deities/powers, is he an entomologist by any chance?

He's a zoologist and psychologist

Fyi it's called Children of Time and it's the best sci fi I read all year.

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Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
Heads up, there is a "secret" (read: well publicised by Lev Grossman) early screening of the pilot for The Magicians on SyFy, December 16th at 10pm.

edit: Right after Childhood's End! :toot:

Sjonkel
Jan 31, 2012
Speaking of The Magicians, I just finished it. Not sure what to think about it, it felt pretty unfocused through much of it, but I think it picked up nicely in the end. Are the sequels worth reading?

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Sjonkel posted:

Speaking of The Magicians, I just finished it. Not sure what to think about it, it felt pretty unfocused through much of it, but I think it picked up nicely in the end. Are the sequels worth reading?
They are probably better than the first one.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

Sjonkel posted:

Speaking of The Magicians, I just finished it. Not sure what to think about it, it felt pretty unfocused through much of it, but I think it picked up nicely in the end. Are the sequels worth reading?

Yes, definitely. I think there's a good argument that they're better books, like Forgall says, but beyond that, I think the trilogy works very well as a whole, and there are things from early on where I found my enjoyment of them retroactively increased after I finished the third book. Definitely worth reading.

Coca Koala
Nov 28, 2005

ongoing nowhere
College Slice

Sjonkel posted:

Speaking of The Magicians, I just finished it. Not sure what to think about it, it felt pretty unfocused through much of it, but I think it picked up nicely in the end. Are the sequels worth reading?

If you didn't hate the first one, it's probably worth going through the last two. The second one is good, but the third really does a lot to complete the character arc that Quentin goes through, and ties up some lingering loose ends.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

Neurosis posted:

The Book of Lost Souls was alright. Supreme Power was good then turned to poo poo as it got melded into the main Marvel stuff. There's something he did about a bunch of heroes being in stasis since WW2 then coming out in the new world and readjusting which I remember being alright. Rising Stars was okay but uneven. Particularly some of the later preaching. His understanding of politics is... Child-like.

Midnight Nation was pretty good and got in just under the wire for being this century...

Chelb
Oct 24, 2010

I'm gonna show SA-kun my shitposting!
Has anyone read P.C. Hodgell's Kencyrath books, and are they any good? Goodreads rec'd them to me and I'm curious.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Combed Thunderclap posted:

On the topic of Use of Weapons, I wanted to say that I do agree with you. That kind of act requires a level of dehumanization and hatred that's only barely achieved against anonymous strangers during genocide, or Actual Jigsaw from Saw-Level Crazy. It's much more a product of Banks' twisted tendency to create imagery of outlandishly ghoulish scenarios (The Hells in Surface Detail, the cartoonishly evil villain in The Algebraist, the scenes of literally torture porn being televised, but only to the elite in The Player of Games). It's a kind of "This is the dark in the human heart that the selfless liberals are up against" thing he likes to go back to, and obviously Use of Weapons is about how the selfless liberals use that darkness for their own supposedly selfless and liberal ends, but to say it's believable character development is absurd.

I'm pretty sure Lusiferous was supposed to be a ridiculous tryhard who couldn't match up to the greater and far more destructive powers whose interplay he'd accidentally stumbled into. I mean, c'mon, one of the guy's biggest regrets was ordering absolutely hideous Brutalist interior-decoration for his ship because he'd thought the name sounded cool.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

Rollofthedice posted:

Has anyone read P.C. Hodgell's Kencyrath books, and are they any good? Goodreads rec'd them to me and I'm curious.

The first one, God Stalk is an amazingly creative little fantasy adventure. The second one is still good, and explores some of the mysteries of the first. The third one sends the main character to a prissy girls' school and starts being about politics that I found really, really boring. There's more after that but I never picked back up in.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Rollofthedice posted:

Has anyone read P.C. Hodgell's Kencyrath books, and are they any good? Goodreads rec'd them to me and I'm curious.

I've read all of them, they're basically a guilty pleasure that I don't make any effort to recommend to anybody but still enjoy.

edit: To elaborate, they're not generic fantasy in the sense that she didn't rip off Tolkien or Dungeons & Dragons and actually came up with something original; I don't hate the prose; I enjoy the characters (the protagonist is the mortal incarnation of their god's aspect of destruction, which is amusing) and the world; and they're quick reads (which is a bonus). On the other hand, she's written a lot of books that don't really address the fundamental thrust of the story, which is disappointing.

pseudorandom name fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Dec 13, 2015

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Hedrigall posted:

edit: Right after Childhood's End! :toot:

I made a TVIV thread for this, although I haven't read the book. It sounds like they've changed some things already from the book to make it work for our current time.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3755690

Incase anyone wants to check it out and discuss the differences in the adaptation there (in spoiler tags for the first week or so)

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Rollofthedice posted:

Has anyone read P.C. Hodgell's Kencyrath books, and are they any good? Goodreads rec'd them to me and I'm curious.
Yeah they're pretty solid. There is a strong semi-animu vein running through them though, so trigger warnings should be included about catgirls, people with talking cats, and various other Cat Fancy-level tropes.

I've read maybe 4 or 5 of them fairly recently after I found out she had started writing more. The "girls' school" one was actually pretty interesting because the protagonist, Jaime, really, really fights against it, and in typical Jaime fashion it usually ends in disasters and fancy gowns torn apart by cat claws. She might be the best character I've ever read at simply destroying her surroundings by accident.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Dec 13, 2015

HUMAN FISH
Jul 6, 2003

I Am A Mom With A
"BLACK BELT"
In AUTISM
I Have Strengths You Can't Imagine
Just finished Ancillary Sword and it was... boring and nothing really happened? Evil plantation owners and tea.

Such a shame, the first one was pretty good and interesting.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


HUMAN FISH posted:

Just finished Ancillary Sword and it was... boring and nothing really happened? Evil plantation owners and tea.

Such a shame, the first one was pretty good and interesting.

I enjoyed the poo poo out of Sword, but it is mostly setting the stage for things to go boom in Mercy.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.
I've just found this thread in a search for some good hard Sci-Fi or cyberpunk reading.

I've just finished the Vatta's War series by Elizabeth Moon

and have a taste for the sci fi as follows:

Hardwired by Walter John Williams

Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive by William Gibson

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds (I read his others in the Revelation Space series, but I found them to be plodding and cumbersome.)


Can anyone recommend other books in this vein?

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Altered Carbon, by Richard K Morgan, is an excellent cyberpunk/dystopian type book. Highly recommended.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.

Khizan posted:

Altered Carbon, by Richard K Morgan, is an excellent cyberpunk/dystopian type book. Highly recommended.

Ahah. Must be in the right place and I like the cut of your jib.

I've read the Takeshi Kovacs books and found them to be awesome!

Any other suggestions?

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Agrikk posted:

Ahah. Must be in the right place and I like the cut of your jib.

I've read the Takeshi Kovacs books and found them to be awesome!

Any other suggestions?

Try the Budayeen books by George Alec Effinger. First one is "When Gravity Fails."

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Philip Reeve seems to be a consistently underrated and unknown YA author, but I thought I'd mention I'm enjoying the hell out of Railhead. Haven't finished it yet but it's easily the best thing he's written since the Mortal Engines series.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
I'm vaguely annoyed because I'm trying to read these Ethan Warner books by Dean Crawford but he's got 2 separate series that intertangle with each other and therefore gently caress me over with spoilers for a book I haven't read yet but MIGHT READ so it's all incredibly annoying.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Is Saturn's Children considered one of Charles Stross's better novels? It's coming across to me as one of his most plodding and uninteresting works, with the "I'm going to drink a nice hot cup of ACETONE and enjoy a breakfast of MIXED BOLTS AND SMALL GEARS" mad libs replacements wearing mighty thin as you go along.

I guess I'm complaining because I generally enjoy his novels and totally wasn't expecting to kinda hate this one.

DigitalRaven
Oct 9, 2012




Saturnalia Children is p much Charlie doing a Heinlen juvenile. I enjoyed it, but I knew that going in to the book.

tonytheshoes
Nov 19, 2002

They're still shitty...

Agrikk posted:

I've just found this thread in a search for some good hard Sci-Fi or cyberpunk reading.

I've just finished the Vatta's War series by Elizabeth Moon

and have a taste for the sci fi as follows:

Hardwired by Walter John Williams

Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive by William Gibson

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds (I read his others in the Revelation Space series, but I found them to be plodding and cumbersome.)


Can anyone recommend other books in this vein?

I found that Simon Morden's Petrovitch Trilogy scratched that itch for me...

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 44 minutes!

TheWhiteNightmare posted:

Is Saturn's Children considered one of Charles Stross's better novels? It's coming across to me as one of his most plodding and uninteresting works, with the "I'm going to drink a nice hot cup of ACETONE and enjoy a breakfast of MIXED BOLTS AND SMALL GEARS" mad libs replacements wearing mighty thin as you go along.

I guess I'm complaining because I generally enjoy his novels and totally wasn't expecting to kinda hate this one.

I'd say not at all. Neptune's brood is a bit better but all in all both are his worst.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

TheWhiteNightmare posted:

Is Saturn's Children considered one of Charles Stross's better novels?
No. The sequel is much better and has interstellar bitcoin scams.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

DigitalRaven posted:

Saturnalia Children is p much Charlie doing a Heinlen juvenile. I enjoyed it, but I knew that going in to the book.

I haven't read it but I thought it was supposed to be late-period Heinlein, what with the sexbots and all.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

Are the Rama sequels worth bothering with?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Junkenstein posted:

Are the Rama sequels worth bothering with?
No. It's best to treat it as a standalone book.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Junkenstein posted:

Are the Rama sequels worth bothering with?
No. Nonononononono. No.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Junkenstein posted:

Are the Rama sequels worth bothering with?

No. If you're really jonesing for more Rama after you finish Rendezvous with Rama, you could dig up and play the old Sierra puzzle game Rama -- it's based on Rama II, but stops before the book gets really stupid, and is actually pretty good. But really your best bet is to ask the thread for other good Big Dumb Object stories.

On that note, any recommendations?

Zaphiel
Apr 20, 2006


Fun Shoe
I'd like to thank goons for mentioning Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time. It was awesome!

Does anyone have any recommendations for other first contact novels, or novels from the perspective of an alien species?

I didn't like Blindside, too much jargon. I loved Alan Dean Foster's Nor Crystal Tears and C. J. Cherryh's Cuckoo's Egg when I read them a while ago.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

ToxicFrog posted:

No. If you're really jonesing for more Rama after you finish Rendezvous with Rama, you could dig up and play the old Sierra puzzle game Rama -- it's based on Rama II, but stops before the book gets really stupid, and is actually pretty good. But really your best bet is to ask the thread for other good Big Dumb Object stories.

On that note, any recommendations?

I dug Ship of Fools.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Ship of Fools/Unto Leviathan is excellent. One of the most fascinating alien cultures I've seen is present in China Miéville's Embassytown but you should be aware that while it is science fiction, the science in question isn't one you're used to seeing in this kind of stories.
I heard good things about The Three-Body Problem, apparently it's a right oldschool hard SF, the exotic setting is a bonus.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

Thanks guys. I suspected the Rama sequels were one of those cases where they expanded on something that was best left alone, but wanted to check.

ToxicFrog posted:


On that note, any recommendations?

The newly released Planetfall is really good. It's not really about the Big Dumb Object, but that's relatively interesting on it's own and has a few cool exploration scenes.

the_homemaster
Dec 7, 2015
I don't understand 'heard good things' regarding Three Body Problem.

It's the best sci fi in years, won a Hugo, etc etc

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Let's be honest here, Cixin Liu's books are good at being the sorts of books they want to be, but that thing is rather specific. China's Asimov is a rather good description - not everyone likes Asimov.

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
Some people just really don't seem to like Three Body Problem. I really liked it, but I've noticed enough people saying they just couldn't get into.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

chrisoya posted:

No. The sequel is much better and has interstellar bitcoin scams.

I finished Neptune's Brood a few days ago and it had the same problem Saturn's Children did of the ending not being very fulfilling. They just kind of... stop.

While they weren't outright bad, I feel like there was more of a draw to them in terms of reading about a fairly interesting post-human robotic society than to the actual plots themselves.

Except that one bit in Saturn's Children when Freya gets slave-chipped, that was just uncomfortable as gently caress to read.

e: I don't know if there's an accepted description of this sort of stuff, but I really enjoy 'journey through time' stuff like Charles Sheffeild's Tomorrow and Tomorrow or Frederik Pohl's The World at the End of Time (and while not exactly the same thing, the framing premise of Darwinia was also really cool), any suggestions for more of that sort of stuff?

WarLocke fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Dec 15, 2015

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RoboCicero
Oct 22, 2009
If you liked Stross Accelerando wasn't too bad and is basically 10 (?) year slices of humanity following one character through eras of exponential technological progress.

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