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I for one am excited for a 4X game with meaningful decisions while exploring. Too many are just "uncover map".
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Sindai posted:I hope nobody seriously believes Stellaris is that close to release unless you enjoy disappointing yourself. I paid 10 dollars to post on an Internet videogames forum; Unrealistic expectations and crushing disappointments are my bread and butter in this life.
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Actually I guess the serious concern would be the release dates for Stellaris and HOI4 getting too close together. Relevant question being: which one would get pushed back for more polish?
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Remember that HoI4 was announced long before Stellaris (along with the canceled Norse RPG whose name I can't remember) and was originally scheduled for release in the first quarter of 2015. It's safe to say it's actually close to release now that there's a closed beta. Stellaris definitely isn't. Sindai fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 20:30
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I am confident that Paradox will push out timelines if they need to. They probably have some cushion due to CK2 and EU4 DLC sales now.
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Sci fi nerds in this thread, what is it about Fungi that make them so common as an alien race in sci fi genres? (Maybe they're not so common and it's just confirmation bias, idk!) Is there some special property of fungus that makes it plausible for a sapient fungoid alien race to exist? What make fungi more suitable than plants for a non-Fauna alien race? Or is it just a case of 'wouldn't it be cool if'? Like I don't mind if it is the latter, I'm just curious because it seems like a cool thing that I'm totally ignorant about!
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Sci fi nerds in this thread, what is it about Fungi that make them so common as an alien race in sci fi genres? (Maybe they're not so common and it's just confirmation bias, idk!) Is there some special property of fungus that makes it plausible for a sapient fungoid alien race to exist? What make fungi more suitable than plants for a non-Fauna alien race? Or is it just a case of 'wouldn't it be cool if'? On that note, why is every species humanoid? Even the fungaloids are just 2 arms and 2 legs stuck on a torso with a weird shroom like head.
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Because the human form is the closest and most ideal form to God.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Sci fi nerds in this thread, what is it about Fungi that make them so common as an alien race in sci fi genres? (Maybe they're not so common and it's just confirmation bias, idk!) Is there some special property of fungus that makes it plausible for a sapient fungoid alien race to exist? What make fungi more suitable than plants for a non-Fauna alien race? Or is it just a case of 'wouldn't it be cool if'? Fungi are more like animals than they are like plants, and exhibit traits found in both. They are cool is what I'm saying
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Demiurge4 posted:On that note, why is every species humanoid? Even the fungaloids are just 2 arms and 2 legs stuck on a torso with a weird shroom like head. Because we're all made in God's image, dummy. Edit: drat beaten
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Sci fi nerds in this thread, what is it about Fungi that make them so common as an alien race in sci fi genres? (Maybe they're not so common and it's just confirmation bias, idk!) Is there some special property of fungus that makes it plausible for a sapient fungoid alien race to exist? What make fungi more suitable than plants for a non-Fauna alien race? Or is it just a case of 'wouldn't it be cool if'? Demiurge4 posted:On that note, why is every species humanoid? Even the fungaloids are just 2 arms and 2 legs stuck on a torso with a weird shroom like head. It's beneficial for sense organs to be as high on the body as is practical, in order to have the greatest effective range. Minimizing the distance nerve impulses have to travel implies that the central neurological structure would be near those organs. Taken together, this would lead to something like a head. Any technological species presumably must be capable of locomotion, and more importantly, of fine motor manipulation. The latter implies something hand-like - corvids for example are fairly intelligent, and can even use sticks as tools by grasping them with their beaks, but they probably wouldn't be able to build up advanced tools this way. Taken together with the previous issue, this also pushes us towards a form that stands upright on its hindmost limbs in order to have the highest vantage point for observation and free up the foremost limbs for manipulation. Radial symmetry is common enough in ocean species, but it doesn't really allow for effective movement on land, where you pretty much have to use limbs to get around (excepting snakes, say). These reasons take us a good portion of the way towards a humanlike form - bilaterally symmetric, upright (at least to some extent), with a head, and manipulator appendages. There's no inherent reason to exclude more limbs, of course, maybe something like a centaur, but. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Alchenar posted:Actually I guess the serious concern would be the release dates for Stellaris and HOI4 getting too close together. I forget the whole discussion around the HOI4 delay, but now that they are rolling in cash didn't they say the whole plan to prevent new HOI3s (and to a lesser extent, CK2s but at least that was salvagable) was something like a minimum 6 month beta following what the director considers feature complete?
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I think it has a lot to do with some of the Fungi on Earth that do really semi-sentient things that creep people out.
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They are probably not gonna release their two titles for the year within months of each other, no. Maybe autumn/chrismas 2016 for Stellaris, barring further HoI4 delays.
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Westminster System posted:I think it has a lot to do with some of the Fungi on Earth that do really semi-sentient things that creep people out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis Such as everyone's favorite mind controlling fungus.
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zedprime posted:The relevant comparison is that HOI4 is finally in beta, while Stellaris screenshots are still getting marked as alpha. What's the story on the CK2 launch? I played it not too long after launch (definitely before the first expansion) and it was fine.
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Yeah, I'm confused about that as CK2 was the "A good Paradox launch????" game.
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V2 was the whole 'well this looks good but after a week you realise there's not much game and the economy is utterly broken' release.
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popewiles posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis I thought that was just in X-Files.
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I think he meant Victoria II.Demiurge4 posted:On that note, why is every species humanoid? Even the fungaloids are just 2 arms and 2 legs stuck on a torso with a weird shroom like head. Anthromorphic fungi are non, and must be cleared to make way for juffo-wup. Or the mi-go, your choice.
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Demiurge4 posted:I thought that was just in X-Files. The X-Files is pretty much just a dramatized documentary.
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Bold Robot posted:What's the story on the CK2 launch? I played it not too long after launch (definitely before the first expansion) and it was fine. The CK2 launch was fine; it was remarkable in how fine it was, honestly. I suppose that in retrospect it looks underperforming on account of how many new features have been added to the game since, but seriously, CK2 was great from launch day on.
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Darkrenown posted:Yeah, I'm confused about that as CK2 was the "A good Paradox launch????" game. Yeah CK2 was like the turning point where players and the media realized paradox could launch good polished games and was a serious for real game company rather than an acquired taste niche. V2 and Hoi3 were disasters though. There's been some iffy EU4 expansions but they all got fairly quickly patched up nice. I don't know why anyone would use CK2 as a bad example. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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There's probably something wrong with me because I played EU3 and HOI3 on launch and didn't really notice anything bad.
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Strudel Man posted:Radial symmetry is common enough in ocean species, but it doesn't really allow for effective movement on land, where you pretty much have to use limbs to get around (excepting snakes, say).
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I might be mixing up Way of Life with the original CK2 launch getting reamed by the real grognards for having less to do than Deus Vult, although I swear CK2 had the usual hot mess for 3 months minor scripting stuff everyone thought was as good as we were going to get until EU4.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Why exclude the ocean though? Interstellar Starfish is the name of the game.
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canepazzo posted:From a Paradox producer's twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65xNuqmLdU
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Strudel Man posted:No fire underwater, no metalworking without fire, no meaningful technology without metalworking. The spergfest that is all of the lore from Sword of the Stars wants a word with you about volcanic engineering and metallurgy embraced by psychic dolphins.
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More dignified than what I was thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvuM3DjvYf0 A super far future campaign with a successor race to humanity would be cool.
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Westminster System posted:The spergfest that is all of the lore from Sword of the Stars wants a word with you about volcanic engineering and metallurgy embraced by psychic dolphins.
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Strudel Man posted:Nah, it doesn't work realistically. Water's a great conductor of heat compared to air, so if you get close enough to a volcanic source for it to be hot enough to melt iron, you're getting fried yourself. Not what is stated, but I'm glad we have experts on Xenobiology. Its Sci-Fi, don't over think, or assume that biological sciences wouldn't be just as valid a pathway to advancement.
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If you're wondering how a society can advance itself technologically without fire and other vaguely science facts Just repeat to yourself "It's just a game, I should really just relax."
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Westminster System posted:Not what is stated, but I'm glad we have experts on Xenobiology.  v The Liir are fine, and fun, but they're hardly obligatory.
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But, Strudel Man, I take your internet comments about science fiction game race variations deathly seriously. Maybe. Westminster System fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Takanago posted:There's probably something wrong with me because I played EU3 and HOI3 on launch and didn't really notice anything bad. Well I still think that HoI3 was the best PDX game ever made and the most enjoyable part is to set up my order of battle. I just love the "organigram on a map" look it has.
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Funky Valentine posted:If you're wondering how a society can advance itself technologically without fire and other vaguely science facts This
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Question for a Paradox dev. Is the tech deck influenced by your policies? Am I more likely to get certain techs if I have a large amount of stations running studies on primitives?
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Strudel Man posted:Nah, it doesn't work realistically. Water's a great conductor of heat compared to air, so if you get close enough to a volcanic source for it to be hot enough to melt iron, you're getting fried yourself. Weren't the Liir uplifted though? With sufficiently advanced technology you could buffer yourself from this effect, but you'd never be able to develop that technology to begin with due to this effect.
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As for the Liir.. answering that is spoilers. Even though probably no-one cares. Kind of but not really - http://wiki.swordofthestars.com/sots2/Suul'ka
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