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Slavvy posted:Why is it that every pundit talks about The Public like it's separate to them and then moans about not engaging with The Public, stuff not being in The Public consciousness etc etc. It's like saying you're stuck in traffic whilst sitting in the car and pretending you aren't traffic. How would you say it instead?
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Exclamation Marx posted:Prime Minister John Key says drug dependency is a major contributor to poverty in New Zealand, as a damning new report claims that one in three Kiwi children are living in hardship. 
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Dec 16, 2015 00:32
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Meanwhile, stoned gang leaders are actually out there making school lunches and feeding kids. WHO IS HEEL, WHO IS BABYFACE, IT'S SO HARD TO TELL
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Dec 16, 2015 00:55
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Weird how drugs are making people poor, and not regressive low-income punishing taxes.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:30
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The child poverty figures are so loving depressing. Hopefully the fact that it's gone from one in four to one in three in the space of an election cycle means the govt can't ignore it any more. They'll certainly try to find excuses, but whether they blame it on drug use or beneficiary dependency or whatever else, they have to admit something is getting worse under them.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:42
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I think you'll find it's the fault of the previous Labour government
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Dec 16, 2015 01:49
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It feels like everyone I talk to about the issue is stuck in the 80s, when either they raised their kids, or when they were kids. It just never seriously occurs to them that things might actually be different for young families now, and that the kind of budgeting that worked in 1987 would fall flat on its face now.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:00
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fong posted:The child poverty figures are so loving depressing. Hopefully the fact that it's gone from one in four to one in three in the space of an election cycle means the govt can't ignore it any more. They'll certainly try to find excuses, but whether they blame it on drug use or beneficiary dependency or whatever else, they have to admit something is getting worse under them. They will blame it on it being a measure related to income rather than material hardship.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:36
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Isn't one in three in poverty the same as African Americans? That's crazy.
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Dec 16, 2015 03:31
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chaos rhames posted:Isn't one in three in poverty the same as African Americans? That's crazy. I'm guessing America has a different threshold, but lol if you don't also think it's going to be way worse for Maori & Pasifika
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Dec 16, 2015 03:45
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Taitale posted:They will blame it on it being a measure related to income rather than material hardship. Key did, in the interview. He also said it wasn't "dheli-style" poverty which I found distastefuil for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, they measure it by "checking some boxes, can the eat red meat, can they buy xmas presents" <-- paraphrasing obviously. The whole "its drugs fault" is hosed because that was the only factor he brought up - he goes "now I am not saying all beneficiaries are on drug, but beneficiaries are on drugs and that is stopping them getting jobs". Why would you bring it up if you didn't think it was a major factor unless you are a weasel and trying to get that notion stuck in the Zeitgeist without having to actually to assert it? Maybe, people do drugs because they don't have a job? Maybe, doing drugs shouldn't lock you out of the job market and drug tests are not appropriate for most jobs? Maybe, drugs laws are racist because only the white persons drugs are legal? Also, Exclamation Marx's post was interesting - 22 out of 8000 is 0.27%
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Dec 16, 2015 04:00
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Vagabundo posted:He's human poo poo-sack Sean Plunket. Is he that fuckstick that (used to be?) on Newstalk ZB? I remember him ringing up a call centre and ripping into the poor girl working there during that story about Wicked Campers then accusing callers of strawmanning when they asked what the actual point of him doing that was
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Dec 16, 2015 04:12
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Pararoid posted:It feels like everyone I talk to about the issue is stuck in the 80s, when either they raised their kids, or when they were kids. It just never seriously occurs to them that things might actually be different for young families now, and that the kind of budgeting that worked in 1987 would fall flat on its face now. Our whole culture is kinda still stuck in a mid-80's "life goes on..." attitude post-Rogernomics I reckon
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Dec 16, 2015 04:13
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klen dool posted:The whole "its drugs fault" is hosed because that was the only factor he brought up - he goes "now I am not saying all beneficiaries are on drug, but beneficiaries are on drugs and that is stopping them getting jobs". Why would you bring it up if you didn't think it was a major factor unless you are a weasel and trying to get that notion stuck in the Zeitgeist without having to actually to assert it? It's irrelevant anyway because there is no way 1 in 3 children in this country are children of unemployed beneficiaries.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:35
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*every other country in the world starts relaxing weed laws* GUYS ITS ALL THE DEVIL WEED MAKING CHILDREN SUFFER IN POVERTY!!!!
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Dec 16, 2015 04:38
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Taitale posted:It's irrelevant anyway because there is no way 1 in 3 children in this country are children of unemployed beneficiaries. That's a really good point. I wonder what that stats are on children in poverty where a parent is working?
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Dec 16, 2015 05:01
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klen dool posted:Also, Exclamation Marx's post was interesting - 22 out of 8000 is 0.27%
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Dec 16, 2015 05:40
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klen dool posted:That's a really good point. I wonder what that stats are on children in poverty where a parent is working? 2/5 Ghostlight posted:Please note that is an article from Jan 2014, only a few months after drug testing begun. The total number at the end of the first year of the programme was 29,890 with only 47 failing. (You might note in the article that the Ministry tries to roll in "refusal to submit" as a failure stat) https://fyi.org.nz/request/1863/response/6627/attach/2/Harris%20Alex%20Final%20Response%20dated%2027%20August%202014.pdf Even if you include the refused numbers it works out to 0.4% exmarx fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 05:45
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Exclamation Marx posted:2/5 2/5. John Key is such a oval office.
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Dec 16, 2015 06:39
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Exclamation Marx posted:Prime Minister John Key says drug dependency is a major contributor to poverty in New Zealand, as a damning new report claims that one in three Kiwi children are living in hardship. Where are these kids getting all these drugs Lemme tell you, I could use a puff or two Time to stalk playgrounds again I guess.
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Dec 16, 2015 07:09
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The thing about the poverty figures is that even if they dispute the threshold, they can't dispute the trend. The equivocation over whether it's the same kind of poverty seen elsewhere is just so lovely because it fundamentally accepts or dismisses growing inequality. And not growing inequality in the sense of the top gaining wealth faster than everyone else, but in the sense of the bottom growing and going backwards. I don't think many people in NZ will accept this if they understand it. For all its faults New Zealand does have a fairly firmly entrenched belief that everyone deserves the same basic standards.
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Dec 16, 2015 08:16
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Don't worry when all these drug addled kids grow up they'll murder the rich while on the Jazz cigarettes
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Dec 16, 2015 08:19
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fong posted:I don't think many people in NZ will accept this if they understand it. For all its faults New Zealand does have a fairly firmly entrenched belief that everyone deserves the same basic standards. I don't think this is true anymore.
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Dec 16, 2015 09:15
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Yeah, I've seen it argued that that's no longer the case (if it ever was???) see: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/books/news/article.cfm?c_id=134&objectid=11541769 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65122190/Super-rich-kids-How-the-other-half-lives
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Dec 16, 2015 09:29
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Don't worry when all these drug addled kids grow up they'll murder the rich while on the Jazz cigarettes I dunno man, that's what they said about me and the most I can do is shoot Exclamation Marx dirty looks
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Dec 16, 2015 09:35
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 I can't deal http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11562067
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Dec 16, 2015 09:40
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Exclamation Marx posted:
This can't be real. I refuse to accept that the prime minister of this country would do this.
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Dec 16, 2015 10:45
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Exclamation Marx posted:I can't deal What the flying christ. Haha, our prisoners get raped and that is funny and acceptable to our Prime loving Minister bec*bam* DEAD CAT ON THE DESK
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Dec 16, 2015 11:23
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Exclamation Marx posted:Yeah, I've seen it argued that that's no longer the case (if it ever was???) some shithead posted:A lively, good-natured AUT Communications graduate, Lai enjoys volunteering and will buy homeless people food and post pictures on her Facebook to inspire friends to do the same. I don't really hate the rich, accident of birth and all that, but Jesus Christ how do people like this even exist? ledge posted:This can't be real. It's real all right: http://www.radiolive.co.nz/WATCH-John-Key-please-pick-up-the-soap---Prime-Minister-visits-The-Rock/tabid/504/articleID/110127/Default.aspx El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 11:30
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gently caress this country, gently caress it up its loving arse.
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Dec 16, 2015 11:42
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The best thing about living in New Zealand is having a prime minister who never hesitates to show his utter disdain for rape victims.
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Dec 16, 2015 12:22
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Somfin posted:What the flying christ. Sorry you must not have got the memo, prisoners aren't actually people.
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If it is any consolation to any of us, a person would have to be the really stupid and a barely kind of 'rich' person to allow yourself into the NZ Herald for some puff piece like that. All the super rich we actually barely know about have lifestyles of magnitudes more opulence and indifference/ignorance of the lives of the poor Jacobin fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 17:12
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ledge posted:gently caress this country, gently caress it up its loving arse.
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Dec 16, 2015 18:52
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ledge posted:gently caress this country, gently caress it up its loving arse. Sounds like you're one of those people THAT BACK THE RAPISTS, AND THE CHILD MOLESTERERS!(sic)
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Dec 16, 2015 20:41
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John Key is very bad and I am upset about it today. Why do we keep doing this
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Dec 16, 2015 22:37
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The Schwa posted:John Key is very bad and I am upset about it today. Why do we keep doing this I was going to go shoot up parliament but I hear we're making a NZ version of family feud and I wanna see that first.
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Dec 17, 2015 00:27
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Someone see if Simon Barnett is still alive.
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Dec 17, 2015 00:33
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Ghostlight posted:Someone see if Simon Barnett is still alive. I'd imagine he's too exhausted after giving his kids another thrashing.
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Jacobin posted:If it is any consolation to any of us, a person would have to be the really stupid and a barely kind of 'rich' person to allow yourself into the NZ Herald for some puff piece like that. Oh yeah, the dollar figures that Herald article was throwing around in an effort to make the kids seem super rich were hilarious, "they took a selfie with a receipt for a HUNDRED DOLLAR bottle of bubbles" etc. If anything it demonstrates NZ is even more parochial than you think it is already.
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