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Since no one has a time machine I'm pretty sure the Renaissance is safe. In the mean time we can all appreciate the contemporary contributions to humanity religion is providing us such as: ___________ ___________ ___________ Since religion is indeed just a lovely cultural aspect, it can, has, and should be stamped out so we have one less barrier to addressing reality and the problems that exist in reality.
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Jastiger posted:"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17. Note that the text doesn't say "I have come to enforce them", it says "I have come to fulfill them". What does "fulfilling a law" mean exactly?
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Dec 16, 2015 00:46
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Potential BFF posted:Since no one has a time machine I'm pretty sure the Renaissance is safe. In the mean time we can all appreciate the contemporary contributions to humanity religion is providing us such as: 2) Ghost. Thor. All the adventures of the greek goods. Are entertaining poo poo. These lies are pretty, sometimes fun. 3) Art Patronage. Seriously, a lot of art is paid with the people dumb enough to give money to religion. Eons before Crownfounding was invented. Sorry. I missread. Contemporary? I don't know. Maybe inspire the creation of Non-Gubernamental Organizations? But is ungrateful to ask for contemporary contributions. A type of "What are you done for me, recently?". Tei fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 01:01
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Potential BFF posted:Since no one has a time machine I'm pretty sure the Renaissance is safe. In the mean time we can all appreciate the contemporary contributions to humanity religion is providing us such as: Many studies have found that religiosity correlates strongly with happiness and general well-being, as well as charitable giving. Yes, correlation doesn't prove causation, but I wouldn't write this off without taking a closer look. There's also the Salvation Army. On the subject of Islam, Zakat translates to more than $200 billion in charitable donations every year. Maybe similar institutions could exist without religion, but maybe not. MaxxBot posted:There's a good argument to be made that Abrahamic religions are basically responsible for homophobia. Sure there are atheists that are homophobic but in public opinion polling they're usually the most accepting demographic out there. I don't know about that. China and India aren't exactly models of LGBT rights and acceptance. With India you might be able to blame Western and/or Mughal colonialism, but it's a bit harder to make that case for China. INH5 fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 01:13
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Potential BFF posted:Since no one has a time machine I'm pretty sure the Renaissance is safe. In the mean time we can all appreciate the contemporary contributions to humanity religion is providing us such as: Hope It's given me Hope And a free meal at times when I was broke as poo poo, homeless, and suffering abuse Also a network of other people whose shoulder I can cry on.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:19
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Aren't Daesh and the Taliban enemies? I remember reading that somewhere, but Islamophobic rhetoric lumps them into the same group. Cripes it's almost like these are normal political groups using religion for justification of their actions and for recruitment, and not something unique in that sense, and treating Islam as the fundamental cause rather than geopolitics is a dead end.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:30
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Aren't Daesh and the Taliban enemies? I remember reading that somewhere, but Islamophobic rhetoric lumps them into the same group. Daesh considers all Muslims who don't follow their particular interpretation of Islam to be apostates, and they also believe that all apostates from Islam should be killed. So them being enemies with the Taliban would not surprise me at all. For one thing, the Taliban recognized international borders, which Daesh considers un-Islamic.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:33
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Mandy Thompson posted:Hope I'm going to venture a guess and say you're a member of a denomination that is among the declining percentage of non-evangelicals in the USA. I'm still glad you found help but the face of American Christianity is getting uglier.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:50
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INH5 posted:I don't know about that. China and India aren't exactly models of LGBT rights and acceptance. With India you might be able to blame Western and/or Mughal colonialism, but it's a bit harder to make that case for China. Same-sex relationships were very common in China, at least among the nobility, until the end of the Imperial age. It was the revolution and the aftermath of that which really changed that. And I would point out that modern China has been slowly and steadily making progress in LGBT rights, I agree it's still not great though.
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Dec 16, 2015 01:53
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Omi-Polari posted:This is dumb instead read Shadi Hamid who is one of the smartest American experts on Islamism: This is gibberish. Christianity not only has had a concept of explicitly Christian states (basically all of Europe north of the Balkans since basically forever), but Catholicism had its very own caliphate in the form of the Holy Roman Empire, which lasted over a thousand years, and had emperors who were treated as avatars of Christendom and crowned by the pope. Oh yeah, "Christendom", that was totally a thing, and it was exactly the same thing as the Dar al-Islam. And no, just because the House of Habsburg were not themselves clerics did not mean they were basically a Catholic caliphate--most of the Islamic caliphs were kings and emperors whose rule was legitimated by holy men, not holy men themselves--Ottoman caliph Mehmet the Conqueror (perhaps the most famous of all caliphs for his conquest of Byzantium) was pretty much the same sort of man as the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V who ruled a few decades later (and ol' Chuck didn't even give you the option of jizya--it was Christianity or death, peasant). quote:For this reason, among others, the equivalent of ISIS simply couldn’t exist in Christian-majority societies.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War This war was caused by various armies of religious fanatics attempting to create religiously pure states based on a sectarian divide within Christianity. The Protestants of the 17th century practiced an extremely radical, iconoclastic, violent form of Christianity and the Swedes in particular had a reputation for performing barbaric tortures on Catholics during the war. In the end around eight million people died.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:00
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Mandy Thompson posted:Hope Are you considering suing them, or is that something you reserve for women's shelters?
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Dec 16, 2015 02:03
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PT6A posted:Are you considering suing them, or is that something you reserve for women's shelters? They reached out an helped me while a woman's shelter called me a man and told me to get lost. And thanks for reminding me to get back in touch with my lawyers on that one.
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Dec 16, 2015 02:44
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The thread title probably should be "Why my hatred of Islam is justified"
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Dec 16, 2015 03:36
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I don't disagree since it isn't anything particularly special in the field of regressive trash with a firm foundation in iron age horseshit. Hate it like you'd hate Huckabee, Phelps, and Pat goddamn Robertson and move on.
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Dec 16, 2015 03:56
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Recoome posted:The thread title probably should be "Why my hatred of Islam is justified" Exactly, we're in a situation where the actions of a small number are used to justify hate crimes and denying admission to refugees, which feeds perfectly into ISIL's narrative that the west is at war with Islam. Why this seems like a good time to bring out the gently caress you Dad, edgelord "all religions are bullshit, ban all religions" when people are getting shot at for wearing a hijab is beyond me.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:01
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Cause their personal goofy religious beliefs don't turn extra special just cause their country is currently getting bombed. It's also politically convenient to make hay out of the situation for our local goofy religious types. Easy loving squeezy.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:04
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I wonder where all these dudes got the idea that they're so brave and iconoclastic for hating Islam, which is currently polling slightly below child pornography in middle america
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Dec 16, 2015 04:10
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Goons have a need to find someone socially safe to direct the endless hatred that dwells within them.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:34
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INH5 posted:Daesh considers all Muslims who don't follow their particular interpretation of Islam to be apostates, and they also believe that all apostates from Islam should be killed. So them being enemies with the Taliban would not surprise me at all. For one thing, the Taliban recognized international borders, which Daesh considers un-Islamic. They believe that because the religious texts tell them so. Uh oh! Just because one group does a good thing doesn't justify the other stupid poo poo they do. I'm glad the church helped you, Mandy, but that doesn't mean the entire organization is somehow good. How many lovely groups out there give people hope and use the goodwill to push a separate agenda? And as someone else mentioned religion was stories for the ignorant. We've moved past that now and it's literally the worst aspect of humanity right now.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:39
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I'm curious, what do you consider the best aspect of humanity right now?
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Dec 16, 2015 04:41
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Ddraig posted:I'm curious, what do you consider the best aspect of humanity right now? Me. Serious answer: I'd say our ability to reason and learn from our technology.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:46
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I'd go with theoretical research in physics since we may as well understand the world before we destroy it. It's cute watching posters go all limpdick about dumb religious trash as if it isn't a giant loving hurdle to social progress whenever it lodges itself in government. B-b-b-b-but we're bombing the Middle East! People are racists! Muslims are an easy target! Yea no poo poo, thanks evangelical voting bloc.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:50
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Potential BFF posted:I'd go with theoretical research in physics since we may as well understand the world before we destroy it. You're to much of a coward to go against whatever religion is popular to people you associate with so you take your frustrations out on those that are easier to criticise.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:55
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Omi-Polari posted:But Saudi Arabia also incubates and exports religious extremism into war-torn countries. It's not a coincidence Saudis make up the largest single group of ISIS suicide bombers. This is curious, why do you attribute the American politicians' refusal to criticize the Saudi monarchy or pressure their government to the apologetics of cowardly Islam-loving liberals rather than our decades-old military alliance with the Saudi monarchy that forms a large part of our strategy for projecting power in the Middle East and securing resources? And why do you think a Republican administration would take a hard line against the Saudis, I mean I know American politics is myopic and amnesiac and some people came of age after 2008, but it hasn't been that long: 
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Dec 16, 2015 04:55
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drilldo squirt posted:You're to much of a coward to go against whatever religion is popular to people you associate with so you take your frustrations out on those that are easier to criticise. Try again fruitloop.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:56
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Potential BFF posted:Try again fruitloop. It's true bro, I'm sorry that you enjoy criticizing religion because of whatever insecurities you have.
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Dec 16, 2015 04:58
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It's easy and refreshing so it's pretty enjoyable, that is true. Do you vote straight R cause your charlatan pastor told you to? Or does your collection plate money go towards the defense funds for pederast priests? What flavor of fuckwit magic do you buy into or are you just some low effort BYOB white noise? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 16, 2015 05:03
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Potential BFF posted:It's easy and refreshing so it's pretty enjoyable, that is true. You're a hate filled idiot and I'm just pointing that out.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:04
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drilldo squirt posted:You're a hate filled idiot and I'm just pointing that out. You're a loving boring idiot, just pointing that out. So collection plate? Got an estimate on the % of your hard earned cash you spent to defend some creep pederast priest?
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Dec 16, 2015 05:06
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You're a strange and pathetic person.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:09
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Why is he a terrible person for criticizing Islam?
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Dec 16, 2015 05:14
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Because it has nothing to do with islam and everything to do with him looking for an easy target.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:15
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drilldo squirt posted:Because it has nothing to do with islam and everything to do with him looking for an easy target. Then don't respond to him, respond to me and other posters who have posted more in depth posts.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:16
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What was your argument again? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 16, 2015 05:18
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Read the last 3 pages.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:19
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I think maybe you shouldn't use your dislike of religion to justify the islamic equivalent of antisemitism.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:21
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You didn't read any of my posts anyways, either that or you have reading comprehension difficulties. I'm just glad I got poster "drilldo squirt" to take the time out of his busy day to let me know I'm not cool in his book. I'll file it away next time I get curious about what some loving dork on the internet thinks about my mean posts.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:22
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Jastiger posted:A tough topic. Islam is pretty bad and horrible and bad for humanity. But so is Christianity and any of the Abrahamic religions (and religion in general). Its really tough to be nuanced on this since its so sensitive. That said, saying all Middle Eastern people are bad is pretty silly and obviously racist. Is a strange response in a thread that's about the rise of anti islamic hate crimes in the western world.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:23
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Potential BFF posted:You didn't read any of my posts anyways, either that or you have reading comprehension difficulties. Whatever makes you happy bro.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:24
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"Islam isn't a race" Well you think of a specific race when you hear the word "muslim", don't you? 
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