symbolic posted:

what loving year is it that vlogs are still popular?

Stinky_Pete posted:

But that's just centuries-ago theater producers because they didn't like giving women jobs, where everyone in the audience who wasn't rich as gently caress stood on discarded peanut shells in the dirt. How anyone romanticizes the past I'll never understand. Modern productions don't have dudes playing women and the script is agnostic to the players' logistics so "Shakespeare" does not imply what you're saying it implies. Now lay off and let me denigrate.

TheMostFrench posted:

I thought they were more popular now than ever.

nomadologique posted:

while shakespeare didn't invent the system of men playing women, you can be sure his writing is "aware" of it and comments on it deliberately; gender-bending is very common in the comedies, and Orsino for instance falls in love with what he thinks is a young page boy... before it is revealed to him "he" is really a young woman in disguise, and then they go get married. you can rest assured that in the gender-bending comedies, both shakespeare and the audience laughed when the man-playing-a-woman-playing-a-man was revealed to be a "woman" and everything was hunky-dory as two dudes in funny costumes made eyes at each other.

another instance is Pyramus and Thisbee in Midsummer, where the action of the play is lampooned by the play-within-a-play, where two dudes enact a love scene between a man and a woman; so you have man-playing-man-playing-man in love with man-playing-man-playing-woman, and the humor between these two crude men speaking high poesy and falling in love is in part based on the guy wearing funny woman's clothes and doing a bad stereotyped "woman" character.

people may have been smelly and didn't have computers but they weren't any more or less stupid 500 years ago than they are now; and most people agree that, given a comedic context, a dude in woman's clothing is funny.

symbolic posted:

i stopped caring about them years ago so i haven't been paying attention

Haier posted:

Vaporwave is basically "Born in 1992 and later" Snake Person.mp3.cassette.

symbolic posted:

i stopped caring about them years ago so i haven't been paying attention

HEY NONG MAN posted:

great tat.

Stinky_Pete posted:

I'd say it's how those of us under 30 fetishize and/or fossilize the consumer culture and technology of a decade that we never participated in but have scraps and traces from.

Gyra_Solune posted:

imo trade and tech schools are the way to go right now for most people after high school. colleges are bloated and are all about *~*networking*~* but actually just suck up all your money and it's basically for the rich really. it takes forever to be qualified for anything, and half the time you are paying for classes that have gently caress all to do with what you're actually studying

meanwhile you can go to a community college, spend a year learning how to be an electrician for a marginal amount of money, and what do you know, you can now make a living becoming an electrician

i have literally no idea why 'lesser' colleges get such a bad rap in the US, it's literally the most efficient way to learn how to do a useful thing

Stinky_Pete posted:

I'd say it's how those of us under 30 fetishize and/or fossilize the consumer culture and technology of a decade that we never participated in but have scraps and traces from.

King Vidiot posted:

I was born in the 80's but as a poor I didn't have CD's until the mid-90's so I was very familiar with cassettes because that's all there was as far as I was concerned. I remember getting Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness on two cassettes.

As for Vaporwave itself it sounds kinda neat and reminds me of the corporate muzak I used to hear in the malls and outlet stores my mom would drag me to.

Repo Man posted:

ghostter posted:

ya i made this acount when i was 15 i think maybe but enoguh about me (sorry milennial trait, just talking about myself lol ) here's some millennials shutting down a major highway yesterday for a proposal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPG7P6jvb6Q

Repo Man posted:

NESguerilla posted:

I remember back in the 90's when I was a teenager and collected vinyl, old people seemed so confused by it. Now I know people in their mid 20's in bands, and they all release cassette tapes and fetishize the poo poo out of them. They say the same stuff people always say about records. "It's sounds warmer/just more real blah blah.

Cassettes aren't special at all to me though. Just some crappy dead format I used to have to use when I was a kid. Now I get why those old people couldn't figure out why I bought vinyl.

Automatic Slim posted:

Ahh, back in the day tv repairmen came by your house like a plumber or electrician to fix the set. Now you have to drop it off to be serviced if that's even done any more. It's easier for a company to replace one on warranty than fix it.

Stinky_Pete posted:

I'd say it's how those of us under 30 fetishize and/or fossilize the consumer culture and technology of a decade that we never participated in but have scraps and traces from.

Haier posted:

There's another type of vaporwave movement

Automatic Slim posted:

Ahh, back in the day tv repairmen came by your house like a plumber or electrician to fix the set. Now you have to drop it off to be serviced if that's even done any more. It's easier for a company to replace one on warranty than fix it.

Nolgthorn posted:

And live with their parents.

Haier posted:

Its not so much the same thing, IMO. The difference with the vaporwave kids is that it's all just samples from 80s music and Smooth Jazz MP3s or Youtube put through some free VSTi filter and warped in Ableton Live and it never had any of what might make it slightly analogue and it enters a lovely digital realm of ironically pretentious garbage. Then they record it onto cassette tape in "limited" quantities. Stinky Pete was correct in saying it fetishizes this whole type of thing they missed out on, making it even sillier by adding this weeaboo-type nostalgic obsession with Japan in the 80s and 90s. It's one of those "started off ironic and kind of a joke, and then idiots fell for it and took it as gospel" type of things. Now there are $10+ cassette tapes being peddled and rabidly purchased because it gets better "cool" points to play their purely digital stolen music made in pirated software on the original true way it was made to be listened; a cassette tape.

I think vaporwave visual art is pretty cool, but the music and the artists charging $1-5 on Bandcamp for an album that is essentially brazenly stolen loops from other artists isn't very cool. There's another type of vaporwave movement that is basically making Walmart keyboard demo music and taking it way too seriously and acting like they're the first people to ever write their own music, etc., because they wanted their true vision to not have samples like those other "trendy" people.

It's all very Millenial, besides the fact that the whole genre is populated in and out by teenagers.

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On Monday, market research firm YouGov published the results of a survey on British prejudices.

Split into 48 different ethnic, age and gender groups, the poll asked members of the general public to score various social groups on specific positive and negative criteria.

At the bottom of the list came white British men in their twenties.

Young white men are the most derided group in Britain, study finds
Now, as a white British man in my twenties, I�m obviously not pleased about this. Whilst I realise that many individuals in my social group may indeed be the tearaways and undesirables that apparently dominate public perception, it seems unfair to tar us all with the same brush.

To find out whether I'm alone in taking umbrage with the 'lad' label, I took to the streets of London to ask as many young white men as I could find about their experience of pulling the anti-social short straw.


Jonathan Wells takes to the streets to find out how young white men react to being hated
When I found Robert, 23, he was sitting on a bench in a train station. Rather than cat-calling nearby girls or starting a fight with the station attendant, he was simply looking at his phone. I asked him what he thought of YouGov�s findings.

Will Generation Y ever reach adulthood? ​
�I think it�s strange,� says Robert. �I don�t think you can put people into categories like that anymore. Everyone�s becoming more accepting and the whole country is becoming more diverse. Who�s to say that a white man in his twenties wouldn�t act like an Asian man in his thirties? I have friends of different races who are more similar to me than other white men I know.�

"�Lad culture� and �banter� have characterised our social group, even though not all of us are like that"
�But maybe that�s the problem,� he continues. �Maybe because everyone�s becoming more accepting, and there are less prejudices around race now � and more opportunities � maybe people of other ethnicities feel like we�ve been wrongly privileged for too long and are trying to take us down a peg or two."

Could lads' mags and 'banter' culture be to blame for this social prejudice?
At Imperial College, friends Patrick and Ryan disagreed over the possible cause of the negative perception. Although just 19, the students were displeased that they were about to enter the �most hated decade of [their] lives.�

�I think it�s a labelling issue,� says Patrick. �If you asked anyone to close their eyes and imagine a young, white 20-year old, they�d probably immediately think up a guy with, like, no hair and a tracksuit smashing up a car or something. I think �lad culture� and �banter� have characterised our social group, even though not all of us are like that

"It�s the jumper-round-your-shoulders, chino-wearing Oxbridge boys who make people hate young men"
�And then all the people who have no dealings with real 20-year olds, and are basing their opinions on the stereotypes you see on the news and Crimewatch, put the rest of us down for no reason. Blame the �banter� brigade.�

�No, I think you�re wrong,� offers Ryan � a Biology undergraduate. �I think it�s the jumper-round-your-shoulders, chino-wearing Oxbridge boys who make people hate young men.

�Just think about it. They�re the ones who grow up to be the bankers and the politicians ruining the country, and its during these early years that they make their groups of seedy friends who they stick with for the rest of their lives. It�s the posh people who think the world should lay down for them that give young white men a bad name � like the people who go to Eton and places like that.

"But I agree that it's far too broad a category. I'd say I 'deride' the haughty posh boys - but that doesn�t mean I hate myself.�

19-year old Ryan blames bankers and posh boys for giving young white men a bad reputation
Many of the men I spoke to similarly pointed out problems with the structure of the survey, attacking its premise rather than taking issue with the results themselves.

YouGov asked the public to score the various social groups in categories such as likelihood of honesty, intelligence, work ethics, politeness, eagerness to help others, capacity for violence, frequency of sexual encounters and drug and alcohol use. Jonathan, a 27-year-old mortgage advisor at a popular high street bank, believes that asking for responses in this way was only ever going to lead to generalisations.

Young people are lonely - but social media isn't to blame ​
�I think you�re probably right that some of us are scumbags,� he laughs. �But I don�t consider myself or any of my other friends who fit into the whole 'white men in their twenties' category to be like that. It seems weird though, how many people must be in that group � white men in their twenties? Hundreds of thousands, surely?

�It just doesn�t seem fair to begin with," he continues. "Whoever put this survey together is not only asking you to judge, but also to generalise. I don�t believe people like me are statistically more likely to commit crimes, or get drunk or sleep around or whatever they asked, than any other particular ethnicity or similar age group.

"20-year-old white men shouldn�t be used as scapegoats like this, we haven�t done anything wrong.�


Though rated highly for intelligence, young white men still came bottom of the survey
However, some individuals who fall into the young white male social group do accept responsibility for the unfavourable results. Matt is a post-graduate student of English Literature. Whilst he believes the structure of the survey to be flawed, he agrees that perhaps young white men are guiltier than we care to admit.

Why young men have fallen out of love with cars ​
�I have to say,� begins the 21-year old, �that when it comes to making sweeping value judgements about whole demographics, I'm not sure criteria such as number of sexual encounters and drinking alcohol are useful � as bound up with complex cultural and social issues as they are.

"20-year-old white men shouldn�t be used as scapegoats like this, we haven�t done anything wrong"
�But, that said, I'm not surprised by the findings � young white men are a very privileged group, and often as a demographic I feel we take that for granted and fail to act with the responsibility that such privilege should come hand-in-hand with.�

Many young men believe that the 'White men in their twenties' demographic is too broad to judge
While the men I spoke to offered different reactions to the news that they are part of a reviled demographic, what did remain constant, however, was displeasure at the generalisation associated with the term 'young white men'. They all agreed that lumping ASBO delinquents in with entitled Etonians and everyone in-between did no one any favours.

�You could get 48 categories out of white men in their twenties alone,� concluded Patrick.

ghostter posted:

Rondette posted:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...source=Facebook


I loving love the header picture

Rondette posted:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...source=Facebook


I loving love the header picture

Grand Prize Winner posted:

I don't know if 'white' is accurate, he looks sorta Irish to me

Nolgthorn posted:

And live with their parents.

Grandmother of Five posted:

this thread is the closest thing most of us will get to experience the cold war paranoia of the late 50s / early 60s or whenever the height of the cold war was, when people were scared as hell of an imaginary enemy; except this time the enemy doesn't partake in an arms race thinly veiled as a race to get the first man on the moon & they don't have nuclear missiles getting depolyed on cuba, and they don't have a huge bad rear end army and millions of guns, but they've got kids named Frandoosh and Jayeiielien who set their own dinner times

Nolgthorn posted:

And live with their parents.

hackbunny posted:

lol at "movement". no, like all "movements" and "currents" of vaporwave it's just that vektroid is so immensely influential in the genre that each of her releases sparks (sparked, she doesn't even do vaporwave anymore) a "movement" of copycats

like, the obsession with greek statues and malls and slowed down pop music, the "aesthetic". that wasn't a "movement", that was one of vektroid's albums (floral shoppe). the keyboard sample "movement"? another vektroid album, home(tm)

nomadologique posted:

sounds like teenager music stuff to me, bub