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omeg
Sep 3, 2012

Probably rats, into everything.

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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I played through this thing five plus times and never knew it had a killcam

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

anilEhilated posted:

I played through this thing five plus times and never knew it had a killcam

Me neither, and from the sounds of the reactions in the video bloody no one does. :psyduck:

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues
I told you the High Chaos run was going to teach us all new things about the game!

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Well, you folks could learn a few things yourself, LIKE THE GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HAND OF NOD AND AN OBELISK :spergin:

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Dec 16, 2015

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010
:ssh: Kill cam frequency is the second choice from the top in the options.

Delacroix
Dec 7, 2010

:munch:

double nine posted:

Makes you wonder what happened to the Emperor. Happy accident just after the Empress found herself pregnant?

A truly regretful incident, the emperor died on a hunting trip into Pandyssia. With the kind of wild animals and lethal flora on that continent it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone at all he vanished without a trace.

warhammer651
Jul 21, 2012

double nine posted:

Makes you wonder what happened to the Emperor. Happy accident just after the Empress found herself pregnant?

Maybe she never married, and her relationship with Corvo was essentially an open secret to the nobility?

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

warhammer651 posted:

Maybe she never married, and her relationship with Corvo was essentially an open secret to the nobility?

Matrilineal succession is also possible.

gregory
Jun 8, 2013

METAL GEAR!

Keeshhound posted:

Matrilineal succession is also possible.

Succession could also be eldest/only child, regardless of gender.

Plus, as Emily is her only child, and I don't believe there's much info given to show us of any other potential heirs (once the Empress is killed, the Regent takes over without other family members protesting), it probably isn't difficult to legitimize her. Especially considering it's rather simple for a woman to prove that they have a biological daughter...

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

warhammer651 posted:

her relationship with Corvo was essentially an open secret to the nobility?

IIRC, this is the case.

Thesaya
May 17, 2011

I am a Plant.

RickVoid posted:

This is one of the things that I really loved about the opening. We hear the letter from the Empress, which clues us in early on that we are much more to her than just her Lord Protector, and she mentions Emily, and then we meet Emily. And while Emily does call us by our name when she sees us, her physical reaction of screaming our name at the top of her lungs and flinging herself into our arms (which we, of course, already have at the ready) is very much that of a child seeing her father after an extended absence. It was the developers telling us very clearly that you are not just their Protector. This is your family, which makes for a much stronger motivation when we have to watch them be taken away from us.

On the other hand, a man that has been there for her entire life, acting as a father figure would get that reaction too. I am not saying that she [i]isn't[/] his daughter, just that her reaction really doesn't prove anything. I mean, just think of adopted children.

Also, about the Emperor, I always gathered that the Empire was either matrilinial or didn't consider gender at all, something that I felt was a quite awesome thing. I feel like fantasy worlds way to often fail to realise that they can make their societies anything they want it to be, instead of going with the usual feudal or traditional royal societies.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Thesaya posted:

Also, about the Emperor, I always gathered that the Empire was either matrilinial or didn't consider gender at all, something that I felt was a quite awesome thing. I feel like fantasy worlds way to often fail to realise that they can make their societies anything they want it to be, instead of going with the usual feudal or traditional royal societies.
That's really common and it's like almost every single person is dead set on there only being a few predetermined forms of government with no variations as if playing older Civilization games where you pick one from a list. As long as it could reasonably be expected to work there is no reason why it couldn't be used. It does need to be a bit more functional than Simon Says however.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Poil posted:

That's really common and it's like almost every single person is dead set on there only being a few predetermined forms of government with no variations as if playing older Civilization games where you pick one from a list. As long as it could reasonably be expected to work there is no reason why it couldn't be used. It does need to be a bit more functional than Simon Says however.

One would expect there to much variation when each civ is controlled by an immortal dictator anyways. Plus Civ games tend more towards modern representations of poo poo.

You want paradox games if want a model of various older government types.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

One of the (many) awesome things about Scott Lynch's book Red Seas under Red Skies was one of the characters was a pirate captain. It was a woman. Who had 2 children. And she happened to be black. She was baller awesome.

Needless to say quite a few idiots found it too unrealistic to have a female pirate captain with kids. In the same series there are literally eldritch ruined cities and mind-controlling wizards.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


I mean, pirate captaincy and having kids probably would be a bit of a nightmare. Pirating doesn't have a very good record for long term survival, and I imagine trying to do that while also having a couple of kids around would be worse. Lady emperor with child is totally viable, but I'm not convinced on the pirate thing. It's just not practical.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Ching Shih did it. :colbert:

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

double nine posted:

Needless to say quite a few idiots found it too unrealistic to have a female pirate captain with kids.

Some people don't like reading history books. Also its the internet. poo poo that happens a state over will have doubters.


MooCowlian posted:

It's just not practical.

Ignoring the easy answer of wet nurses to take care of all that poo poo, pirates weren't exactly fighting and raiding every single second of their lives. There's plenty of down time in which a child could be handled.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

I'm just going to leave this here then.

quote:

The reader wrote: "Real sea pirates could not be controlled by women, they were vicous rapists [sic] and murderers and I am sorry to say it was a man's world. It is unrealistic wish-fulfilment for you and your readers to have so many female pirates, especially if you want to be politically correct about it!"

"First, I will pretend that your last sentence makes sense because it will save us all time," responded Lynch. "Second, now you're pissing me off. You know what? Yeah, Zamira Drakasha, middle-aged pirate mother of two, is a wish-fulfilment fantasy. I realised this as she was evolving on the page, and you know what? I loving embrace it. Why shouldn't middle-aged mothers get a wish-fulfilment character, you sad little bigot? Everyone else does. HL Mencken once wrote that, 'Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.' I can't think of anyone to whom that applies more than my own mom, and the mothers on my friends list, with the incredible demands on time and spirit they face in their efforts to raise their kids, preserve their families, and save their own identity/sanity into the bargain.

"poo poo yes, Zamira Drakasha, leaping across the gap between burning ships with twin sabers in hand to kick in some loving heads and sail off into the sunset with her toddlers in her arms and a hold full of plundered goods, is a wish-fulfilment fantasy from hell. I offer her up on a silver platter with a loving bow on top; I hope she amuses and delights. In my fictional world, opportunities for butt-kicking do not cease merely because one isn't a beautiful teenager or a muscle-wrapped font of testosterone. In my fictional universe, the main characters are a fat ugly guy and a skinny forgettable guy, with a supporting cast that includes 'SBF, 41, non-smoker, two children, buccaneer of no fixed abode, seeks unescorted merchant for light boarding, heavy plunder'. You don't like it? Don't buy my books. Get your own fictional universe. Your cabbage-water vision of worldbuilding bores me to tears."

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Wasn't there a pirate like that who was pretty much the terror of Southern China and even ended up peacefully retiring because no one dared gently caress with her?

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


Brainamp posted:

Some people don't like reading history books. Also its the internet. poo poo that happens a state over will have doubters.


Ignoring the easy answer of wet nurses to take care of all that poo poo, pirates weren't exactly fighting and raiding every single second of their lives. There's plenty of down time in which a child could be handled.

Boy, it's a good job children are totally fine whenever it's not convenient to be handling them, like when you're under cannon fire and surrounded by screaming dudes with swords and guns.

I have no problem with people wanting mothers to be pirates, but to say it's in any way believable, realistic or viable is frankly plain wrong. It's okay to be fine with a plot hole for the sake of narrative excitement or wish fulfilment but don't pretend it's not there. Someone literally raising a child in an incredibly hostile environment like a pirate ship is several dozen steps beyond the idea of an Empress.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

MooCowlian posted:

Boy, it's a good job children are totally fine whenever it's not convenient to be handling them, like when you're under cannon fire and surrounded by screaming dudes with swords and guns.

You know kids have been doing dangerous poo poo since forever and are still doing dangerous poo poo in many parts of the world now, right? And yet somehow we never run out of them.

Honestly, by the age of five I'd expect them to be doing deck work and other jobs where being small is an advantage because historically that's what we did with children. The idea that kids should get to do kid things and not be miniature adults is a wholly modern concept, less than two hundred years old.

Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Dec 16, 2015

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Keeshhound posted:

You know kids have been doing dangerous poo poo since forever and are still doing dangerous poo poo in many parts of the world now, right? And yet somehow we never run out of them.

Also, toddlers wouldn't be far removed from the ages of real life powder monkeys on sailing ships.

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

edit: yeah, way off topic. Sorry

Drakyn fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Dec 16, 2015

warhammer651
Jul 21, 2012
we're getting a mite off topic people.

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

So how about that killing things or hugging them, right?

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Drakyn posted:

edit: yeah, way off topic. Sorry

Dangit, why did you edit that out? If nothing else, it was interesting and informative and made a drat good point.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Zomborgon posted:

So how about that killing things or hugging them, right?

Dishonored 2 will include the much needed spiked bracer upgrade, allowing you to do both at once. No longer will you be torn by indecision.

TheDarkFlame
May 4, 2013

You tell me I didn't build that?

I'll have you know I worked my fingers to the bone to get where I am today.
I'm really enjoying Dishonoured. I'm another one playing the game alongside/ahead of the LP, and I really love the aesthetic and the setting of this game, the atmosphere really brings you into a ruined death-stricken wreck of a corrupted city, and the weird Victorian steampunk styling doesn't feel too unnecessary and overwrought (except for maybe the mask, which you barely ever see anyway?). It's a neat stealth game with plenty of tricks, which always gives you the opportunity to brute force your way to success when things go awry, or just if the mood takes you, which is a problem I always had with Hitman games. And the Outsider is an interesting idea, even if something about the way he is played is a little off. Maybe that's intentional, maybe it feels a bit hollow with the lack of any enthusiasm or malice or what have you, I'm not sure. Still a lot of fun.

I like how the conspiracy all comes together, too, it's not all clean and clear. It's great how after the High Overseer mission, when you get the black book, your Overseer buddy goes from "This terrible bastard was blackmailing everyone for power and superiority" to "With this, we'll be able to blackmail everyone for power and superiority" in one breath. And Pendleton talks about taking his brothers' positions in Parliament, going from "How could I, my own brothers" to "I never believed I would be the Pendleton heir" in a kind of similar manner, if not quite as vindictively. The Admiral doesn't seem like much of a moral foundation either. You're definitely the Good Guys, but exactly how Good you are is kind of up in the air. I mean, you're an assassin, after all.

I'm looking forward to the two levels ahead of this one (all I've seen so far), and how the two main runs deal with what the game puts in front of you. I really like that both are played so differently, with an open game like this your setup really helps show a lot more of what it has to offer, and what difference your actions can make. I'm playing through a much less competent Low Chaos run, but as good as this game is I don't think I'd have the time to go through it more than once, so I'm glad you guys are doing it this way. Are you going to be able to show off all the powers in this LP? I've yet to meddle with Adrenaline or Possession, but I can safely say that Bend Time 2 is brilliant.

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

TomViolence posted:

Dangit, why did you edit that out? If nothing else, it was interesting and informative and made a drat good point.
9/10 of my posts get written out fully, edited, nervously combed-over, then deleted because most of the time I realize saying anything can't possibly help anyone and will probably make someone annoyed. This one just got a little further before I caught it thanks to Zomborgon.

I can really agree with the aesthetic/setting praise for the game, although I'm a little disappointed (very mild setting spoilers for Dishonored 2) they didn't go full tilt with the sequel and set it with another doomed attempt to colonize Pandyssia. If your entire planet consists of a single British Isles-sized archipelago and literally Pangaea, it seems a waste not to head there next. It's no doubt way EASIER to do the first game over on a new island with a new city instead of adapting the entire game design plan to a totally new kind of setting (colonial + wilderness instead of urban), and it certainly isn't a BAD idea. It just seems unadventurous. You've got MURDER PANGAEA right there! Use it! Use it!

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

TheDarkFlame posted:

I'm really enjoying Dishonoured. I'm another one playing the game alongside/ahead of the LP, and I really love the aesthetic and the setting of this game, the atmosphere really brings you into a ruined death-stricken wreck of a corrupted city, and the weird Victorian steampunk styling doesn't feel too unnecessary and overwrought (except for maybe the mask, which you barely ever see anyway?). It's a neat stealth game with plenty of tricks, which always gives you the opportunity to brute force your way to success when things go awry, or just if the mood takes you, which is a problem I always had with Hitman games. And the Outsider is an interesting idea, even if something about the way he is played is a little off. Maybe that's intentional, maybe it feels a bit hollow with the lack of any enthusiasm or malice or what have you, I'm not sure. Still a lot of fun.

I like how the conspiracy all comes together, too, it's not all clean and clear. It's great how after the High Overseer mission, when you get the black book, your Overseer buddy goes from "This terrible bastard was blackmailing everyone for power and superiority" to "With this, we'll be able to blackmail everyone for power and superiority" in one breath. And Pendleton talks about taking his brothers' positions in Parliament, going from "How could I, my own brothers" to "I never believed I would be the Pendleton heir" in a kind of similar manner, if not quite as vindictively. The Admiral doesn't seem like much of a moral foundation either. You're definitely the Good Guys, but exactly how Good you are is kind of up in the air. I mean, you're an assassin, after all.

I'm looking forward to the two levels ahead of this one (all I've seen so far), and how the two main runs deal with what the game puts in front of you. I really like that both are played so differently, with an open game like this your setup really helps show a lot more of what it has to offer, and what difference your actions can make. I'm playing through a much less competent Low Chaos run, but as good as this game is I don't think I'd have the time to go through it more than once, so I'm glad you guys are doing it this way. Are you going to be able to show off all the powers in this LP? I've yet to meddle with Adrenaline or Possession, but I can safely say that Bend Time 2 is brilliant.

Oh yeah absolutely, the the conspirators are great because they have their hearts in the right place but it's pretty clear they didn't realise just how big this poo poo was going to get. They aren't just doing all the right things like freeing Corvo and Emma and taking down the perpetrators of a horrible act, but they're shoring up their own personal powerbases too and it's sinking in. The Admiral's got his own personal assassin and it's frightening him just how much reach he has. Of course, that's not all and we'll get to that and yeah, the next few levels are gooood fun.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
also my 'low chaos' run proves to be more chaotic than anything you can generally imagine

this holds true both in game and out (you'll see what i mean)

Orv
May 4, 2011

anilEhilated posted:

Well, you folks could learn a few things yourself, LIKE THE GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HAND OF NOD AND AN OBELISK :spergin:

I think we've established by now that all three of our brains make very weird associations.

limited
Dec 10, 2005
Limited Sanity
So, watching the LP, on my suggested videos was what looks like another channel of nothing but slo-mo tool-assisted murder sprees. Pretty sure they involve actual cheats too, considering they appear to have infinite mana to boot. But just the video titles alone are major spoilers though, and the actual videos spoil the hell out of later equipment / abilities too.

I'd definitely recommend watching them at some point though. It's made me 100% more assholish with springrazors. :unsmigghh: The first part of this video of the first mission includes stealth-killing someone, and using their severed head to smack another enemy into a falling bolt that had been shot into the air a good ten seconds earlier without touching them with a sword. :stare:

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

limited posted:

Pretty sure they involve actual cheats too, considering they appear to have infinite mana to boot.

Nah, if you listen you can hear the potions being used.

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

Everything's coming up explodey!

Pillbug

Ablative posted:

Nah, if you listen you can hear the potions being used.

There's even an option in game to automatically use a mana pot if you try to cast a spell without enough mana. Would have saved someone a lot of trouble :laugh:

Shei-kun
Dec 2, 2011

Screw you, physics!
With how this game keeps on giving, I feel safe in the knowledge that somehow, in some way, something soon will top the fiery dance party followed by grenade-induced ragdolling.

But I just can't predict what it might be.

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010
This is an old article, but I only just read it for the first time, and it's definitely one of the better ones about Dishonored:

Corvo Is Not An Honorable Man

e: might as well add this one too:

The Devil and Corvo Attano

Hannibal Rex fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Dec 19, 2015

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

Lprsti99 posted:

There's even an option in game to automatically use a mana pot if you try to cast a spell without enough mana. Would have saved someone a lot of trouble :laugh:

I feel like having to do it manually stops me from just wasting it all in seconds and then wondering why I have none.

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IBlameRoadSuess
Feb 20, 2012

Fucking technology...

At least I HAVE THIS!
So I just rewatched the post golden cat high chaos interlude, and RoboKy checks Samuel's shack and says that something funny happens later. It actually happened earlier, in the post high overseer interlude. Havelock got frustrated with his audio recording contraption and chucked it in the river, Samuel fished it out and starts using it then. It pops up a few more times I believe, but it's just a neat touch that they actually thought of why the recorder disappears from Havelock's room and he starts keeping a written journal in there instead.

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