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so china's northeast is basically mordor except colder and less exciting, then? yes i stole that from arglebarge. he's a forum superstar, what can i say
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At this point it's better to smoke cigarettes, because that way the air you breathe in is at least somewhat filtered.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 00:13 |
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Does anyone know how this compares to the worst episodes of urban pollution in the US?
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 01:04 |
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Badger of Basra posted:Does anyone know how this compares to the worst episodes of urban pollution in the US? Well Fresno is supposedly the most polluted city in America and it's AQI today is 46. edit: currently 28 where I live in the car-centric city of Orlando
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 01:12 |
PM2.5 is a pretty recent measurement standard so it isn't possible to do an apples to apples comparison. It it probably safe to say that the problem in China is at least an order of magnitude or two worse than LA ever was. The better comparison would probably be London.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 04:09 |
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Shifty Pony posted:PM2.5 is a pretty recent measurement standard so it isn't possible to do an apples to apples comparison. It it probably safe to say that the problem in China is at least an order of magnitude or two worse than LA ever was. The better comparison would probably be London. Some of the photos of LA in the 1940's when the air quality was at it's historical worst (refineries) look pretty on par with pretty bad days in China.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 04:20 |
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Didn't thousands of people die in like a week of London's worst pollution days? London wasn't "foggy" it was toxic smoke.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 19:17 |
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Baronjutter posted:Didn't thousands of people die in like a week of London's worst pollution days? London wasn't "foggy" it was toxic smoke. They had thousands of deaths events multiple times in London, IIRC.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 19:26 |
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The great smog was 4 or 5 days of basically a thick fog (made from moisture in the atmosphere with all the associated pollutants, think basically acid rain in fog form) that also trapped all the smoke, etc. being produced in London. link. Of course the response to that was the Clean Air Act of 1956 and then 1968. It was gradual but it did see the government making a real effort to crack down on factory pollution and help people start using less harmful or polluting forms of heating, etc. China hasn't really taken that kind of clear, legal stand against pollution and they're also looking at basically every large urban centre in the country, not just Beijing.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 20:54 |
The rust belt in the USA had some fun incidents as well. For example there was the (relatively unknown) Donora PA smog of 1948. Twenty people killed by acute fluorine poisoning, 50 dead in the aftermath, 7k sickened in five days. In a town of 14k due to a single zinc smelting plant.
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 21:36 |
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Bip Roberts posted:Some of the photos of LA in the 1940's when the air quality was at it's historical worst (refineries) look pretty on par with pretty bad days in China. Man, you weren't kidding. Also, what's this about Hong Kong publishers going missing?
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# ? Nov 10, 2015 22:50 |
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Is there any hope of air quality getting better anytime soon?
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 02:26 |
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Corek posted:Is there any hope of air quality getting better anytime soon? Yes, because however bad it gets in Beijing is how bad the Party heads have to deal with. One of the main issues (talking with some Chinese friends) seems to be that almost everyone in the North has a personal coal heater and multiplied by several million that generates a whole bunch of extra pollution. Even if they stayed with coal for electricity but switched to an electric heater (which they actually have but don't use because it's not as effective) it would make a massive difference in air quality.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 03:17 |
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Home coal heating was a huge driver in the London smog problems, and some US cities too - though private home coal furnaces seemed to have died quicker in the US than anywhere else.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 03:19 |
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By some sort of actuarial math VWs cheat cars killed anywhere from 50-100 people.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 04:38 |
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Vladimir Putin posted:By some sort of actuarial math VWs cheat cars killed anywhere from 50-100 people. I wonder how many lives were saved by they ability of smooth diesel turbocharged power to pull out of dangerous road events.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 04:51 |
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Bip Roberts posted:I wonder how many lives were saved by they ability of smooth diesel turbocharged power to pull out of dangerous road events. Like none. The idea that a faster car is safer is myth.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 05:54 |
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Vladimir Putin posted:By some sort of actuarial math VWs cheat cars killed anywhere from 50-100 people. I saw ~70 people per year, and I think the cheating program was a thing for 5-6 years.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 05:54 |
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There were times in Pittsburgh where theaters shut because the smog was so thick you couldn't see the screen. Inside. So yes this is not new. And the good thing is pollution is a fixable problem. The US only really started cleaning up hardcore in the 70s and it was mostly better by the 90s. The Chinese government is also aware of the magnitude of the problem and is legitimately working on it. You can often spot problems the government is working on by the topics you're allowed to bitch about publicly. Pollution and corruption (below the national level) are two of those.
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# ? Nov 11, 2015 13:15 |
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Grand Fromage posted:
Ah I was wondering about that.
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# ? Nov 12, 2015 12:14 |
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Bro Dad posted:China pollution reaching record levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ4K0hHin9s
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# ? Nov 12, 2015 13:05 |
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Grand Fromage posted:There were times in Pittsburgh where theaters shut because the smog was so thick you couldn't see the screen. Inside. The more depressing thing apparently is the soil pollution. Air pollution generally cleans up within a couple of years of introducing and enforcing appropriate measures. Even waterways can be cleaned up in a few years of stopping dumping poo poo in it. Soil pollution is more on the order of decades before start to see improvement and some parts of China are pretty much uninhabitable by now. Which I guess is the price they pay for being the planet's current rare earths monopoly.
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# ? Nov 13, 2015 22:48 |
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Hk elections: fake doctor Liz Quat got beaten by a wheelchair bound man and all village districts in Yuen long went uncontested to government redneck cronies
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# ? Nov 23, 2015 04:04 |
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augustus gluten posted:fake doctor Liz Quat got beaten by a wheelchair bound man wish this was literal
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# ? Nov 23, 2015 04:58 |
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So the SCMP has been bought by Jack Ma. Pretty soon it will be just be another PRC mouthpiece (though it's been headed that way for a while).quote:Last but not least, let’s talk about freedom once again and why it makes a difference for Hong Kong http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1890587/last-not-least-lets-talk-about-freedom-once-again-and-why-it-makes
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 09:57 |
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It's not like Robert Kuok wasn't a CCP crony.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 10:08 |
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SCMP is green lighted to go through the great fire wall whereas Hong Kong FreePress got banned after a few months
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 10:44 |
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Propaganda Games: Sesame Credit - The True Danger of Gamification https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI China turns obedience, surveillance and social control into a game.
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 21:49 |
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sincx posted:Taiwan needs its own nuclear deterrence. There needs to be a place in the world that shows Chinese culture is in fact compatible with freedom and democracy. Barring total collapse of US power due to the Yosemite Caldera blowing the gently caress up or something, is there ever a chance that Taiwan becomes part of the mainland again? Surely they've taken notice of how China treats vassals with a history of democracy.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:04 |
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Well you have the CCP running China now like the GMD would want to. And when you've got the GMD being self serving fuckwits, independence ain't that obvious in the long term. So thank gently caress they're getting voted out soon.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:18 |
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TheBalor posted:Barring total collapse of US power due to the Yosemite Caldera blowing the gently caress up or something, is there ever a chance that Taiwan becomes part of the mainland again? Surely they've taken notice of how China treats vassals with a history of democracy. I may be a bit ignorant, but which Chinese vassals have a history of democracy?
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 04:05 |
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When and how are best policies to force China to realize that the fake islands its constructed are as meaningful as America's concrete battleships? Commie Chinas' whole 'I feel insulted' rhetoric sounds like the language of cowards. America does not like nor respect cryhards.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 04:08 |
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TheBalor posted:Barring total collapse of US power due to the Yosemite Caldera blowing the gently caress up or something, is there ever a chance that Taiwan becomes part of the mainland again? Surely they've taken notice of how China treats vassals with a history of democracy. I would rate it as more likely than Hispaniola becoming one nation.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 04:10 |
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blueyedevil posted:I may be a bit ignorant, but which Chinese vassals have a history of democracy? I was mainly thinking of Hong Kong.
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My Imaginary GF posted:When and how are best policies to force China to realize that the fake islands its constructed are as meaningful as America's concrete battleships? Park some carriers within 11.5 nautical miles of these islands. Hell, start having multilateral military training exercises around them
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 07:46 |
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TheBalor posted:I was mainly thinking of Hong Kong. Hong Kong is a bunch of bougie assholes though, the only reason they look good is that you're comparing them to the CCP. They literally wrote a song about how their neighbors are locusts that should be exterminated.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 07:50 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Propaganda Games: Sesame Credit - The True Danger of Gamification This is super, super scary.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 09:59 |
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TheBalor posted:I was mainly thinking of Hong Kong. What history of democracy do they really have?
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blueyedevil posted:What history of democracy do they really have? The one the Japanese gave them
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