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BigBadTeaBag
Feb 4, 2005
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Grundulum posted:

Tried to invite you, but you're already in a guild.

I just left it if you can resend. I appreciate it.

Invite code = BALLS_4

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Vasudus
May 30, 2003
So I tried the whole PvP invasion thing for the first time yesterday. I went from Rank 15 to Rank 1 in like, 25? games. Think I was something like 21-0 before I lost my first game, using 3x Rockworm and Prismatic Orb. It felt so cheap but whatever.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
Part 2 of the 1.08 preview video is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKLi9QSFK20

tl;dw:

New crafting interface when you pick a troop card. Leveling up cards is faster with an option to level them as high as possible or the old-fashioned one level at a time.

You can sacrifice multiples of a card to Ascend rarity and increase stats. 5 cards to make a Common into a rare. 10 Commons to make an Ultra-rare. They did not show how many for Epic etc.

Rarity now affects a card's level cap. Commons 15, Rare 16, Ultra-rare 17, etc with the new Mythics capping out at 20.

Cards now have three unlockable traits out of a pool of 91. The traits are unlocked with various combinations of the traitstones from the new keys. He also mentions getting traitstones from battle according to the kingdom. It looks like the traits have to be unlocked in order.

porktree
Mar 23, 2002

You just fucked with the wrong Mexican.
This should be interesting. I finally got all Kingdoms to level 5, and Zaejin, Whitehelp, Karakoth and Zul'Kari updated to level 10. (+1 Life, Shield, Magic, and Attack respectively).

So, I'm dumping my gold back into the Guild (Gem Boiz 4 lyfe yo).

Will this make doing the Kingdom Challenges worthwhile again? After the last update, where the challenges no longer affected kingdom level I stopped doing them.

edit: I haven't done a 'disenchant all' for a while. But I have hoarded a ton of keys. With the new ascension thing and the new way keys will work, do you think I should spend my keys trying to get duplicates or still hoard them for their potential? NO ONE should disenchant any troop until after the update.

porktree fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Dec 11, 2015

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
No idea about challenges. There is one more video coming. Hopefully it will explain what is up with the new map in the videos.

I would hoard keys. You'll still get a decent amount of duplicates.

A dev clarified the numbers to Ascend a card:

quote:

it always takes 5 to upgrade from your base rarity... so 5 extra Sheggras gets you a mythic

The progression is not 5/10/15/20/25 either... it ticks up more sharply than that (otherwise Commons would become the easiest cards to get to Mythic!) I don't have the exact numbers on me right now, so I won't post them in case I get them wrong!

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


First arena: Night Terror, Knight Coronet and Reaver. Lost one, felt like poo poo, then beasted it 8 wins in a row. Was really fun to just clear gems off the board constantly.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

BigBadTeaBag posted:

I just left it if you can resend. I appreciate it.

Invite code = BALLS_4

This makes a lot more sense now. I forgot you were coming from another guild. Wondered how you managed to reach PVP rank 1 and earn only 13 trophies.

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If there isn't a way to combine lower-ranked traitstones into higher-ranked ones, I will be slightly disappointed.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


What is the difference between changing your home kingdom or just fighting under that kingdom's banner? It seems like they added banners so you wouldn't have to change your home kingdom for every fight? But then why would you ever change your home kingdom? I would give up 500 gold a day for 20 gold a day? That seems like a really raw deal.

Every time I try to change banners on the arena menu, though, it crashes to ps4 desktop. Is that literally the only reason to change your home kingdom? Because you can't change banners for arenas?

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound

Krinkle posted:

What is the difference between changing your home kingdom or just fighting under that kingdom's banner? It seems like they added banners so you wouldn't have to change your home kingdom for every fight? But then why would you ever change your home kingdom? I would give up 500 gold a day for 20 gold a day? That seems like a really raw deal.

Every time I try to change banners on the arena menu, though, it crashes to ps4 desktop. Is that literally the only reason to change your home kingdom? Because you can't change banners for arenas?

The only benefit of your home kingdom is that your tribute is doubled from there. There's no gameplay value for having any particular kingdom as home. Assuming you've finished its questline, every kingdom gives the same hourly coins.

Banners should have no effect in the arena. The only things that carry into the arena are your color masteries and your hero weapons.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Is the tribute below the name on the map in the... fourth post? Am I getting 10 feathers a day from whitehelm, for example, whose quest chain I have completed? Should I park it on a place to get souls so I can get some guys greater than level five?

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Krinkle posted:

Is the tribute below the name on the map in the... fourth post? Am I getting 10 feathers a day from whitehelm, for example, whose quest chain I have completed? Should I park it on a place to get souls so I can get some guys greater than level five?

Tribute has been dramatically overhauled since that image was created.

Every time you collect gold from your home kingdom, a random check is made of each kingdom you have opened. The chance of success is X%, where X is your kingdom level. If the check succeeds, that kingdom grants you a specific tribute (which you can check in the kingdom screen). If the check turns up more than one success, you get gems and key(s) in addition to the gold/souls/glory bonus. Right now the best place to be parked is Khaziel, since gold is the most valuable endgame currency. Failing that, Khetar gives 20 souls as its tribute so you may want to set up shop there. (As mentioned above, your home kingdom gives you double tribute when the check succeeds. So you want to park yourself somewhere whose tribute is useful to you.)

The best place to earn souls for beginning players is the Arena. All troops are at level 10, and you should be matched against a hero close to your level. If you haven't opened up the Arena by completing Broken Spire, that should be your first priority. *Maybe* dip down and open up Zhul'Kari if you are sitting on some treasure maps; you'll get decent souls from them once you know what you're doing, and even before that point you should get a useful amount.

Edit: two more things. First, to maximize your chance at tributes it is better (not to mention vastly cheaper) to have a bunch of kingdoms at a low level, say 2 or 3, than to pump up a single kingdom to level 10. Second, once you start doing treasure maps, note that you only get the rewards at the end of the map -- you don't get bonuses for making stuff over the course of the minigame, only for what exists on your board when the turn counter reaches 0.

Edit again: don't buy souls with your glory awards. Just don't. Buy maps and use them in Zhul'Kari instead. You don't even need to have beaten that kingdom to go treasure hunting; just opening it is enough, unlike with Broken Spire and the Arena.

Grundulum fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Dec 14, 2015

bagina
Jul 21, 2003


Oh shi...

Speaking of treasure maps, anybody have a particular set of troops that you like using to get maps? Seems like certain combos are more likely to create the possibilities than others.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


I got my magic mastery up to 12 and their own website says I should have unlocked a new purple weapon at rank 10 but I didn't. Is their own website out of date?

I'm doing the arena constantly since it's free, you make your money back almost defnitely, but I keep forgetting to change my weapon before going in.

Yeah buying souls looks like a terrible idea but I don't want that dagger. How often do the glory rewards change? I've only been playing since tuesday.

How do you level up even a single province? I tried doing a challenge but only scored one star so I gave up until I had a better team.

Jibo
May 22, 2007

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bagina posted:

Speaking of treasure maps, anybody have a particular set of troops that you like using to get maps? Seems like certain combos are more likely to create the possibilities than others.

I run Treant, Tyri, Valkyrie, Alchemist.

You have no way of doing direct damage so I just keep trying to combo as long as possible. I get a few maps a day with that.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


"get" maps? How do you get maps?
I mean I misread you as saying what team do you bring when you use maps, and I thought that's weird, I don't think you can even bring a team to use maps, but as I have no map I couldn't check. But you both said getting maps. How do you farm a map?

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
I run Treant, Alchemist, Valkyrie, and Banshee. Those four either eat gems of one color or convert into a different color. When it gets going, I can quite easily cause a chain reaction of seven consecutive matches, which is how you earn maps without buying them.

You don't bring troops to the treasure hunt minigame; it's just you against the turn counter.

Edit:

Krinkle posted:

Yeah buying souls looks like a terrible idea but I don't want that dagger. How often do the glory rewards change? I've only been playing since tuesday.

How do you level up even a single province? I tried doing a challenge but only scored one star so I gave up until I had a better team.

No clue why you didn't unlock the weapon if you got your Hero's purple mastery to th right level; kingdom bonuses and guild bonuses don't count (if you're getting any).

As to the other questions, if you don't want the weapon then you can hold onto the glory for another week and see what happens then -- the rewards change Monday at midnight, so you just missed the turnover. Not that you could have bought anything, but hey. :v: However, the game's economy will be shaken up substantially with 1.0.8, so my advice about buying maps may not hold.

To level up a kingdom, go to that kingdom, select "Kingdom", then look for the "Tribute" tab at the bottom of the screen. That shows you the tribute that kingdom will award you on a successful roll, as well as the current tribute chance. Back under the "Kingdom Level" tab, there is a button to level up the kingdom. That is how you increase the chance of tributes, the bonus mastery, and work towards unlocking a stat boost (waaaaaay down the road).

If you aren't in a guild, join one. You'll get a boost to masteries and bonus crap -- keys, gems, souls, or even maps -- from guild quests that get completed. Gem Blossums is full, but I could kick out an inactive player to make room for you. On the other hand, Gem Boiz is only at 27/30, but I don't know if their guild leader still plays to give you an invite.

Grundulum fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Dec 14, 2015

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Krinkle posted:

"get" maps? How do you get maps?
I mean I misread you as saying what team do you bring when you use maps, and I thought that's weird, I don't think you can even bring a team to use maps, but as I have no map I couldn't check. But you both said getting maps. How do you farm a map?

Making a sequence of 7 combos in a row will get you a free map. This is usually best accomplished by using orb converter teams like the ones mentioned above. (I like Green Slime/Alchemist/Valkyrie/Banshee.)

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


http://gemsofwar.com/game-guide-weapon-list/ posted:


TOME OF WIZARDRY
( Ultra Rare Weapon )
Tome of Wizardry (Mana Cost:7 Purple , Unlocks at Magic Mastery 10)
Explode a Gem.
I don't have this? I have 12 purple magic mastery. It's not on my list of weapons that exist. The game crashes, sometimes, when I level up. Did I straight up lose a weapon?
I can't tell if I'd want to use it though. Kinda hard to set up those cascades by blowing up a 3x3

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Krinkle posted:

I don't have this? I have 12 purple magic mastery. It's not on my list of weapons that exist. The game crashes, sometimes, when I level up. Did I straight up lose a weapon?

When you select the "Hero" tab at the bottom of the map screen, you get a set of percentages, and underneath those a total mastery level. That mastery is further broken down by innate mastery (bonuses you selected from leveling up), bonuses from your guild, and bonuses from kingdoms you have unlocked. If the innate mastery isn't at 12, you won't unlock the weapon. Guild/kingdom bonuses don't count towards that.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
Honestly, you should ditch the PS4/Xbone version and switch to the Android/iOS/Steam version if you like the game. I doubt they will ever make the console versions cross-login with the rest due to requirements from Microsoft and Sony. The Steam version will run on a toaster, and the mobile versions will run on pretty much any tablet or smartphone.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Thanks. I only see +1 from the guild but I guess I must have others from somewhere?

Is Tau still favorable from the out of date first post or should I stick with lady sapphira?
Is either banshee, serpent or valkyrie a good buddy for Tau to feed him blue and red gems? Or does tau need exactly one feeding and it's pointless to do anything but feed him once and have a team that can carry on if he gets sucker punched?

Is it dumb to have luther and lady sapphira in the same team? He's eating her earth gems and it feels inelegant.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

Krinkle posted:

Thanks. I only see +1 from the guild but I guess I must have others from somewhere?

Is Tau still favorable from the out of date first post or should I stick with lady sapphira?
Is either banshee, serpent or valkyrie a good buddy for Tau to feed him blue and red gems? Or does tau need exactly one feeding and it's pointless to do anything but feed him once and have a team that can carry on if he gets sucker punched?

Is it dumb to have luther and lady sapphira in the same team? He's eating her earth gems and it feels inelegant.

Overlap is fine so long as you have another color going directly to the other troop; just put the troop you like better higher for priority.

I used hero/Luther/Dark Song/Avina for a long time(meat shields + buffing up front, large direct damage in the back), and Dark Song and Avina share purple; I gave Dark Song priority so I can wipe out any green users ASAP. I changed it to /Atlanta/Dark Song now so Atlanta gets priority.

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Grundulum posted:

The best place to earn souls for beginning players is the Arena. All troops are at level 10, and you should be matched against a hero close to your level. If you haven't opened up the Arena by completing Broken Spire, that should be your first priority. *Maybe* dip down and open up Zhul'Kari if you are sitting on some treasure maps; you'll get decent souls from them once you know what you're doing, and even before that point you should get a useful amount.

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times, but I'm fairly sure I was able to do treasure maps in Broken Spire before I had Zhul'Kari unlocked. Can't be bothered starting a new account to check though.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

GoW dev posted:

all previous epics & legendaries (including the Anointed one, but excluding seasonal Imps) will immediately go into glory/gem chests in 1.0.8

Well, that's good news for those of us who have been sitting on keys in preparation for the update. Should net a fair few epics and legendaries from my minor stash, which may be enough to bump some of them up a level.

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


Wolfsbane posted:

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times, but I'm fairly sure I was able to do treasure maps in Broken Spire before I had Zhul'Kari unlocked. Can't be bothered starting a new account to check though.
I don't remember exactly because it's been a week or two but it was only a few quests into Broken Spire where the prompt came up 'hey you have a map go buy this kingdom and use it'. It's definitely long before you finish all the BS quests and open the Arena. But people are saying to hold the maps til the patch anyway so I am

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

The treasure maps are boring and dumb and I hope that I can someday trade them directly for gold/souls/keys/gems.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Grundulum posted:

No clue why you didn't unlock the weapon if you got your Hero's purple mastery to th right level; kingdom bonuses and guild bonuses don't count (if you're getting any).


I found it. I never got a notification that it unlocked, and instead of, like every other weapon ever, ending up on the right, it is somewhere in the left middle of the pack. So in order I have all the level 3/4 weapons, the level 6/7s, but the one 10 I have is somewhere shuffled into the 5s but far enough away from the other book that they can't be on the same page.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
Part 3 of 1.08 patch preview is up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j49YkO1JO4

tl;dw: Spend money please plus souls will be important again.

Reorganized shop with better Glory rewards, and no more "buy this bundle" popups all the time.

VIP system where you get VIP points for spending money on the game. Get enough points to earn VIP levels. Higher levels give bigger bonus plus some free stuff daily. VIP points are retroactive if you have ever spent money on the game.

Kingdoms have Power levels represented by the stars under their name on the map. Raise Power levels by leveling up troops and unlocking traits. Power levels increase gold income, increase tribute amount, tribute chance, and finally double the stat bonus from a level 10 kingdom. Hello +2 magic from Karakoth.

Edit:
:siren: http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/server-downtime-notification-108-update/1961 :siren:

quote:

Servers will be going offline for Patch 108 Maintenance on: 16 Dec 23:30 GMT

London: 11:30pm 16 Dec
Los Angeles: 3:30pm 16 Dec
New York: 6:30pm 16 Dec
Central Europe: 12:30am 17 Dec
Melbourne: 10:30am 17 Dec

We expect the servers to be down for 1-2 hours, but it may vary based on how long the new version takes to appear in the App Store and Google Play Store. We'll keep you posted in this thread of any changes to downtime or maintenance time.

grrarg fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 16, 2015

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


They fixed that weird quest that was just the windows millenium spinning beach ball loading symbol and had no quest goals.

porktree
Mar 23, 2002

You just fucked with the wrong Mexican.

grrarg posted:

Kingdoms have Power levels represented by the stars under their name on the map. Raise Power levels by leveling up troops and unlocking traits. Power levels increase gold income, increase tribute amount, tribute chance, and finally double the stat bonus from a level 10 kingdom. Hello +2 magic from Karakoth.

So, I watched the vid - it seems like current cash based Kingdom leveling is still in effect, and that the Star Power system is in addition to that? On the map in the vid, I didn't see rank numbers, just stars. Is the power level something that comes after rank 10?

I've horded about 60 keys, 100 maps, and 800 glory. I hope I have not miscalculated.

Jibo
May 22, 2007

Bear Witness
College Slice
I would maybe be tempted to spend money on this if they either reduced the cost of the weekly bundles by about 90% or increased the amount of gold you get from gems by about 1000%.

Also I'm looking forward to Souls being relevant again since I have an absolutely insane amount of them right now.

Anyone try out this week's Reward unit on a treasure map farming team? I'm thinking of a team ordered like Treant > Valkyrie > New Guy > Alchemist but I'm not bothering to level him until the update since leveling one level at a time is really dumb.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
From the single screenshot in the video, it looks like story and challenge mode -- still -- have no impact on kingdom level. It's tied entirely to troop levels and traits.

Jibo
May 22, 2007

Bear Witness
College Slice
The update has gone through on iOS already but the game still can't be played while the servers are down.

I'm pretty dang amped for this.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
I'm looking forward to traits shaking things up. Wonder if goblins will be even stronger.

seravid
Apr 21, 2010

Let me tell you of the world I used to know
No changes to gold rewards in PVP? Was attacked by a level 1000 guy, every troop 40+ hitpoints (no bonuses!)... you'd figure a whale like that would net you a couple million, not a pathetic 1k. Not that I won, mind you, but still.


Jibo posted:

Also I'm looking forward to Souls being relevant again since I have an absolutely insane amount of them right now.

How many?

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
PvP gold is based on uncollected tribute gold according to one of the loading screen tips. It would be nice if it was based on total gold so you could beat a level 1000 guy and max out a kingdom. I was sick last week and got some of the biggest payouts invading in the middle of the night in between puking my guts out.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

grrarg posted:

PvP gold is based on uncollected tribute gold according to one of the loading screen tips.

I've had people steal 3 gold from me during an invasion. What the hell are they seeing for a payout that makes this worth their time?

Jibo
May 22, 2007

Bear Witness
College Slice

seravid posted:

No changes to gold rewards in PVP? Was attacked by a level 1000 guy, every troop 40+ hitpoints (no bonuses!)... you'd figure a whale like that would net you a couple million, not a pathetic 1k. Not that I won, mind you, but still.


How many?

North of 100k last time I looked. I haven't leveled dudes in forever.

Is anyone able to get it to work on iOS? The game loads now and I can see poo poo int he background but the server maintenance message won't go away.

Bandire
Jul 12, 2002

a rabid potato

When they had maintenance during game the 1.07 launch it hosed up your Kingdom levels if you tried to log in during the outage. I'm staying away until it's back up.

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Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound
It's up now for those who are waiting.

Kingdom power is +50/unique troop and +10/troop level. I don't know how much you get for unlocking traits, since I haven't decided what to unlock.

It looks like you get a stone for every pvp fight (2 out of 2 at least).

First level on traits is:
Common: 10 minor 4 major
Rare: 12 minor 4 major x2
Ultra Rare: 14 minor 6 major x2
Epic: 16 minor 8 runic x2
Legendary: 18 minor 10 runic x2

This is just for the first trait (of 3), presumably the celestials will be used for later unlocks.

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