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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

:eyepop:

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Lol Macri's Foreign Minister is already talking up the FTAA/ALCA.

Markovnikov
Nov 6, 2010

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

I want to note this in particular when it comes to the social programmes set up in the last decade+ (one of the few good things that the Kirchners did). The reason that Macri (or just about anybody) can in fact roll all these programmes back is because the government set the vast majority of these plans on a precarious legal basis. A lot of them were passed by decree, or just outright implemented de facto. This is totally permissible in the first year or two of the plan, when you are still figuring things out, but the fact that the situation persisted year after year made the continuation of the plans contingent on the same policies being re-applied. Thus, when the Frente Para la Victoria was out campaigning, they could claim that if you didn't vote for Cristina, all your social plans may disappear.

It is my strong belief that the intention behind putting a lot of these plans in motion (a lot of which are good in implementation regardless of motive, such as the Universal Subsidy per Child) was an electoral strategy. Had they seriously believed that the plans were good in and of themselves, then they would have legislated the plans into existence (or ratified them once already in place) through proper laws, and made them necessitate a parliamentary process in order to be overturned.

This is of course no excuse to a lot of the people who oppose these plans precisely because of pearl-clutching reasons.

I think it was also the fact that the Kirchner governments didn't have the majority in the Senate or Diputados for much of its time. Also, it's decretos all the way down my friend. Since Menem it seems to be the only way the executive power does anything.

E: And if they were laws, they could be rolled back by a decree. Separation of powers? What's that?


Badger of Basra posted:

Lol Macri's Foreign Minister is already talking up the FTAA/ALCA.

The cavalcade of Macri's ministers makes me sad as gently caress. If they are not an ex CEO of a company, they are someone that ahs nothing to do with the intended position and just got it because they had to be lathered somehow due to electoral arrangements.

I'm not saying that this isn't the way it always is, but I've never seen it as blatant as now.

Markovnikov fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Dec 9, 2015

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Markovnikov posted:

I think it was also the fact that the Kirchner governments didn't have the majority in the Senate or Diputados for much of its time. Also, it's decretos all the way down my friend. Since Menem it seems to be the only way the executive power does anything.


The cavalcade of Macri's ministers makes me sad as gently caress. If they are not an ex CEO of a company, they are someone that ahs nothing to do with the intended position and just got it because they had to be lathered somehow due to electoral arrangements.

I'm not saying that this isn't the way it always is, but I've never seen it as blatant as now.

Still weirds me out that he named a soccer bureaucrat as the head of the national intelligence agency.

hello i am phone
Nov 24, 2005
¿donde estoy?
Like a car salesman in charge of the public transport or a rabbi for the environment ministry.

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.
This is why we can't have nice things.


https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR

All I want for christmas is more insane Twitter meltdowns.

e: holy poo poo the amount of butthurt in these twitter accs is hilarious

Future Days fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Dec 9, 2015

Markovnikov
Nov 6, 2010
The pettiness of the coming mandate transfer is embarrassing.

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.
I just hope we achieve Trump levels of Twitter pettiness. Maybe that way they'll let us in the ALCA.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
I'm throwing my own presidential ceremony, with blackjack and hookers, you guys can come.

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

I'm throwing my own presidential ceremony, with blackjack and hookers, you guys can come.

Sounds like Macri's plan.

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous
People are fighting over Cunha's process in the ethics committee, this is gonna get really stupid before it's over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0c6C-KMjgw

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

bagual posted:

People are fighting over Cunha's process in the ethics committee, this is gonna get really stupid before it's over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0c6C-KMjgw

Also, at there was a christmas dinner yesterday in Brasilia, minister Katia Abreu threw a glass of wisky at José Serra's face after some innapropriate joke from him.

Brazilian politics are becoming a trashy reality show.

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
Becoming?

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
Say what you want about Videla but he never held a dance and karaoke contest in the presidential palace

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

Say what you want about Videla but he never held a dance and karaoke contest in the presidential palace

Was this Macri's inauguration party?

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
He's convinced he's a good dancer lol. Did he sing We Are the Champions again?

Markovnikov
Nov 6, 2010
I think he just does it to appear more human and less of a lizard people.

hello i am phone
Nov 24, 2005
¿donde estoy?
People were celebrating and banging pots at midnight when CFK mandate finished. I wonder how long it will take for them to do the same protesting Macri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeqjpTSVM0

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

I think what we all really want to know is who got to keep the Casa Rosada twitter account?

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

Badger of Basra posted:

I think what we all really want to know is who got to keep the Casa Rosada twitter account?
The master password is held by the Club de Paris.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Markovnikov
Nov 6, 2010

Oh god, that old dude's "nothing I can do"-hands just kill me every time.

hello i am phone
Nov 24, 2005
¿donde estoy?

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

drat, that was subtle, I didn't catch it the first time.

Also, "what do i do with this now" summarizes elections in LA, really.

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous
Today in the early morning brazilian federal police launched operation Catilinárias, searching the houses of Eduardo Cunha and a lot of his PMDB allies. The operation's name is a reference to an event in the roman republic 63 BC where senator Catilina tried to overthrow the senate and got roasted by Cicero in a series of speeches, condemned to death he ended up killed while trying to lead a rebellion. Not sure if this will stick to Cunha personally, he must have been prepared for something like this with how leaky investigation details seem to be, but this will at least ruffle some feathers seeing that there were over 50 warrants executed today.


Also this is my state's biggest paper's illustration for the ordeal

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

CalmDownMate
Dec 3, 2015

by Shine
We'll have some fun today with a effort post.

Yesterday the Colombian Government and the key leaders of the FARC signed a significant and important agreement which is just one in a line of great leaps the Colombian Peace Process has taken since the beginning of the year. This agreement specifically deals with point 5 of the negotiation process: recognition of victims. The agreement sets up two different truth and reconciliation commissions for the victims of the Colombian conflict; one specifically to investigate kidnappings and dissapearances; and another to investigate terrorist attacks, and general violence. It also provides a means for reparations to be paid to victims and expands several landmine, IED, and munition disposal programs.

This is one of 6 key points that have been on the agenda since the talks started in 2012; ranging from Agrarian Reform, Political Participation, Drug Cultivation Eradication, End of Conflict and Reintegration, and finally Ratification by popular vote.

Since it was announced that major progress had made in the talks earlier this year the support for the peace process amongst the general public has been steadily rising. For the first time Gallup has found that a majority of Colombians (52% up from 39% in August) believe that a final agreement will be achieved. Centrist Juan Manuel Santos, who staked his presidency on the issue when he went up for re-election against Right-Wing Alvaro Uribe's (his former boss) Centro Democratico party last year.

The majority of Colombians are becoming more willing to give up some amount of justice in order to achieve peace with the FARC. As of now the agreements require little if any prison time for any of the leaders. Intention to vote for ratification has slowly been creeping upward and stands at around 57% right now.

Santos, member of a wealthy and ogliarchical media family has managed to do very well for himself in the fields of diplomacy throughout his presidency, and it seems very likely that the Peace Process will cement the legacy he sought to create for himself since his election back in 2010.

Some other news that broke today sheds light on how complicated the process could be. Today the supreme court dismissed a case against Plazas Vega, former General of the Colombian Army; over his involvement in the disappearance of court workers and members of the public following the raid by the Colombian army on the Colombian Supreme Court Building back in 1985 when the M-19 Guerrilla Movement invaded the building and took everyone inside it hostages in order to destroy crucial case files being built against Pablo Escobar.

The Supreme Court says that there was not enough evidence to convict Vega for being guilty of the disappearances; and 30 years after the fact the little evidence that there was around the events of that day seem to be lost. The case is complicated and hard to pierce and I can't really go into great detail but there's video evidence of all 11 dissapeared civilians being evacuated by the Army during the raid. Only 4 bodies have been found so far, 3 a couple of months ago; all buried in unmarked graves hidden in graveyards around the capital. Everything seems to indicate that the victims families will not find any closure in the near future.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
A judge in Brazil determined that the app whataspp had to be blocked for 48 hours. This gave Brazilian lovely media another chance to be lovely:



The headline is about Lula's son, and this shows up in Globo's weekly magazine. "Lula's son switches from whatsapp to telegram. Also, he is being investigated for corruption."

hoiyes
May 17, 2007
The more I see of Lula's son on social media the more I'm convinced he's some mythical crime boss, capable of conjuring millions of reais from unsuspecting victims.
It's just bizzare in Brazil, where giving help to family and friends is as natural as breathing, noone can apparently believe that the son of one of the most popular presidents ever (and still a good shot to be president again) can legitimately leverage his connection/access to get money/power.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
90% of the stuff people say about Lula's sons is fake. People will spread rumors that they own pretty much every fast growing Brazilian company. They also love to gossip about how much they spent on a dinner, or clothes, or whatever. It is part of old class/northeasterner prejudices, where Alckmin's daughter taking a picture with the Kardashians is a cool think worth of fawning over, but did you know Lula's son spent 200 bucks on a bottle of wine? * faints *

This headline is emblematic of that. People in Brazil are all talking about the whatsapp ban. So Epoca finds the flimsiest excuse to come up with a headline to attack Lula. "Lula's son switches from whatsapp to telegram." In what world is his messaging app newsworthy, other than to feed the narrative?

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.
We can finally buy all of the dollars.
It's a shame I'm working class as hell and I have no need for paper foreign currency. vOv

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

Future Days posted:

We can finally buy all of the dollars.
It's a shame I'm working class as hell and I have no need for paper foreign currency. vOv

A few years ago I heard from a couple of portenos that it was only really possible to buy properties in US cash dollars. To what extent was this ever true (maybe only in BA?)

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.

hoiyes posted:

A few years ago I heard from a couple of portenos that it was only really possible to buy properties in US cash dollars. To what extent was this ever true (maybe only in BA?)

It's true for the whole country. Real estate prices are in black market US dollars, which makes it almost impossible for middle-class families to buy properties. Well, at least they used to be. Now we'll have a state imposed rate. We have to wait and see what the real estate market does in the next few months.

Markovnikov
Nov 6, 2010

Future Days posted:

It's true for the whole country. Real estate prices are in black market US dollars, which makes it almost impossible for middle-class families to buy properties. Well, at least they used to be. Now we'll have a state imposed rate. We have to wait and see what the real estate market does in the next few months.

Confirming this. When the exchange restrictions started a couple of years ago, there was some effort to stop real state transactions in dollars. Which I think lead to no transactions at all being done?



Future Days posted:

We can finally buy all of the dollars.
It's a shame I'm working class as hell and I have no need for paper foreign currency. vOv

Can you smell the freedom brother? It smells of... green.

E: In my opinion, long term and on its own, the devaluation and loss of exchange restrictions are a good thing. When you add to that the loss of export taxes on agricultural products, and the announced removal of subsidies to energy, water, gas and transports are a loving disaster.

protip macri duders: if the government is running out of money, maybe don't take away an important tax on the country's main exports???

Markovnikov fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Dec 18, 2015

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012

joepinetree posted:

90% of the stuff people say about Lula's sons is fake. People will spread rumors that they own pretty much every fast growing Brazilian company. They also love to gossip about how much they spent on a dinner, or clothes, or whatever. It is part of old class/northeasterner prejudices, where Alckmin's daughter taking a picture with the Kardashians is a cool think worth of fawning over, but did you know Lula's son spent 200 bucks on a bottle of wine? * faints *

This headline is emblematic of that. People in Brazil are all talking about the whatsapp ban. So Epoca finds the flimsiest excuse to come up with a headline to attack Lula. "Lula's son switches from whatsapp to telegram." In what world is his messaging app newsworthy, other than to feed the narrative?

wait a moment, is the app block just for him or for the whole country? Why would a judge order this? Did he sell drugs through a whatsapp group or something?

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

Markovnikov posted:

Confirming this. When the exchange restrictions started a couple of years ago, there was some effort to stop real state transactions in dollars. Which I think lead to no transactions at all being done?


Can you smell the freedom brother? It smells of... green.

E: In my opinion, long term and on its own, the devaluation and loss of exchange restrictions are a good thing. When you add to that the loss of export taxes on agricultural products, and the announced removal of subsidies to energy, water, gas and transports are a loving disaster.

protip macri duders: if the government is running out of money, maybe don't take away an important tax on the country's main exports???

Full accelerationism comrade!

The strategy is to secure loans for the short/medium term while they restructure things. The point of all this is to restart exports and local businesses while demonstrating viability and institutional stability in the eyes of the worldwide bond markets. Whether or not this will work is up for debate.

Magrov
Mar 27, 2010

I'm completely lost and have no idea what's going on. I'll be at my bunker.

If you need any diplomatic or mineral stuff just call me. If you plan to nuke India please give me a 5 minute warning to close the windows!


Also Iapetus sucks!

El Chingon posted:

wait a moment, is the app block just for him or for the whole country? Why would a judge order this? Did he sell drugs through a whatsapp group or something?

The app block was for the entire country. But i like the sound of that theory: "whatsapp app was blocked because facebook was trying to protect lula's son from a drug trafficking ingestigation."

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
The app block was because of an undisclosed investigation on something (I heard everything from drug trafficking to child porn), where Whatsapp wasn't providing some information. So a random judge somewhere just said "gently caress it, you guys are blocked in the ENTIRE country for two days", and our cell providers were very happy to oblige, of course. Then, 12h later, someone called bullshit on the block and it was lifted.

It had NOTHING to do with Lula or his son, and that headline is HILARIOUS because of it. It's a complete non-sequitur into an article about Lulinha being investigated for corruption, because every discussion in Brazil somehow lands on the "PT is corrupt" talking point. That type of thing is basically Brazil's version of the Godwin Law. "Hey, do you know who also switched IM apps? HITLER. I mean, MEMBERS OF PT". Lulawin's Law.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

I thought it was the Telecoms trying to ban whatsapp because it bled a shitload of money out of them

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nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

I thought it was the Telecoms trying to ban whatsapp because it bled a shitload of money out of them

Lol, no. They're doing the opposite of this, offering free whatsapp with their plans. That goes against net neutrality, by the way.

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