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True, but Interstellar was more focused on the family unit than it was the exploration. I think the exploration parts of it were great. I guess I just like the whole "completely unknown" thing. I imagine it's tough to write that kind of story and have it feel fresh.
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I like all the TOS movies because each one is a well-executed, unique take on the material. The only one that stands out as a lesser film is The Final Frontier, and even that one is more campy than outright bad. Feels like they took the premise of a TOS episode and made a big feature film out of it.
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NarkyBark posted:True, but Interstellar was more focused on the family unit than it was the exploration. I think the exploration parts of it were great. I guess I just like the whole "completely unknown" thing. I imagine it's tough to write that kind of story and have it feel fresh. You'd have to clarify which movies you're talking about as previous examples. There's TMP and I guess 2001, but two films in about 10 years does not a trend make.
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In the balance I didn't care much for Interstellar but if it did well (IDK) I'd guess that's because it actually has more in common with very sentimental Spielbergian films like War of the Worlds or w/e e: also the hook of ALL THE SCIENCE IS REEEAAAALLL (who cares if that's true)
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I like TMP a lot, but it deserves the poo poo it gets. I don't have good taste. I have a fairly fond memory of watching TMP while on LSD, made me feel like the director and production crew were high as balls during the shoot and editing, it is a fantastic movie if you are into that sort of thing, I highly recommend it. I don't care how long it is, to this day the initial reveal of the Enterprise still gives me a goosebumps, of course I am one of those oddballs that feels like the Enterprise itself is one of the main characters and I am getting pretty tired or the "let's destroy it"" mentality. Hell, the backlash against replacing the Enterprise with the Excelsior in the third movie is what caused them not to go that route and just keep going with the current Enterprise, this one being the A. Other movies that are fun to watch whole on psychotropics are 2001, Speed Racer, The Matrix, Tron, Interstellar, The Lego Movie, and anything Monty Python. Edit to add in Animatrix. Throwdown fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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TMP is one of my favorites as well. it's very good as a movie and from a standpoint of the movies as a series it's one of the few where Kirk straight up pulls a dick move and has a very human moment (I'm talking about stealing the command from Dekker, essentially harming the career of a deserving officer so Admiral Kirk can go out and play space cowboy and feel young one more time).
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Lin spoke to Birth Movies Death about the writer thing and said it's purely a WGA decision. He hadn't actually heard of the other writers and met with Orci briefly. The way he explains it is that it was his story idea and Pegg/Jung wrote the script. He's not even seen what Orci worked on, so I'm really interested to see if that credit will change (Like the Ed Norton HULK one). It sounds like a condition of his hiring is that he worked from scratch and was allowed to as long as he could make the release date.
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This looks really great from the trailer. It seems they're telling a smaller scale story of a mission gone haywire, instead of the melodramatic "fate of humanity" scope we got in the last two movies. I loved Dredd 2012 and Fury Road for their "day in the life" style of storytelling and I hope this film takes that same approach. It sounds like that's what Pegg is going for, and the trailer aligns with that. I'm hyped.
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Yeah, Pegg says that he never saw the Orci/Payne/McKay script either; it was binned before they started theirs. The Beyond script we ended up with was solely Penn/Jung.
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smoobles posted:This looks really great from the trailer. It seems they're telling a smaller scale story of a mission gone haywire, instead of the melodramatic "fate of humanity" scope we got in the last two movies. Well, the Enterprise is destroyed and what looks like Earth gets attacked, so there's at least some melodrama.
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I'm seeing this is how the crew get on board an alien/Klingon ship and by the end of the movie they will unveil the 1701-B and drop a nice excelsior joke on us. I really don't have a problem with the producers making parallels to the original movies. It's a fun cue to the idea this is a different but still similar timeline. They can't do the whales again though. There's just no way to do that over again without the witty double dumbass and colorful metaphor jokes.
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MikeJF posted:It outdid every other TOS film, IV included. That a lot of people went to see a movie doesn't mean they liked it. TMP was a financial success and convinced them to greenlight a sequel, but if it were truly a popular movie they wouldn't have made such a drastic change in format in the following installment. Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:Copy Star Wars? It's most obvious influence was 2001. People didn't really take TMP to be a "deep" movie. The sentiment was that the long, ponderous scenes were a result of the studio hoping to dazzle audiences with special effects (which, in fairness, were very impressive) while offering little in terms of story. lizardman fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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TMP most resembles various soviet films from the same timeframe. There's a direct reference to Solaris, but it also resembles obscure stuff like The Star Inspector and Per Aspera Ad Astra.
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lizardman posted:That a lot of people went to see a movie doesn't mean they liked it. TMP was a financial success and convinced them to greenlight a sequel, but if it were truly a popular movie they wouldn't have made such a drastic change in format in the following installment. The drastic change in format for TWOK was more due to Nicolas Meyer's ideas than anything else, and he was put in charge because they reckoned he could do it on the cheap.
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MikeJF posted:The drastic change in format for TWOK was more due to Nicolas Meyer's ideas than anything else, and he was put in charge because they reckoned he could do it on the cheap. You're mistaking Meyer with Harve Bennett. Meyer was brought in at the last minute to put together a script and direct the thing. Bennett was hired because Paramount wanted to do a second Star Trek movie on the cheap, so it was produced by the television division.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:TMP most resembles various soviet films from the same timeframe. There's a direct reference to Solaris, but it also resembles obscure stuff like The Star Inspector and Per Aspera Ad Astra. The movie is about a socialist utopia
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McDowell posted:The movie is about a socialist utopia The climax of the movie is the personification of anti-communist rhetoric that was the American Space Race literally refusing to recognize the now-socialist earth as its home.
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The Motion Picture may also be the most Jack Kirby looking film we'll ever see. The inside of V'Ger is Fourth World as gently caress.
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MikeJF posted:It outdid every other TOS film, IV included. That's true, but the movie did wind up much more expensive than it should have been because of the way nobody kept a close eye on what Robert Abel & Associates was doing with regard to special effects. They basically had to bring in a replacement special effects crew to work double-overtime for something like a year, and even then they came dangerously close to testing whether or not Paramount really would sooner send out cans full of blank film than pay out a penalty to theater owners for missing the contractual release date.
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lizardman posted:And yeah, I'd say with a straight face that The Voyage Home was a more popular movie than Into Darkness, at least in the US. TVH had a distinct concept and was loved across the board, people talked about ("hey did you see that crazy Star Trek movie") and quoted, etc. STID had a lot of people go see it and they liked it well enough, but aside from introducing Benedict Cumberbatch to America it was essentially Just Another Star Trek Movie, and the only people who care to talk about it much a year later are disgruntled fans. I'm not sure how true it is any more, but I remember about ten years ago if someone said they'd only seen (or could only remember) one Star Trek movie, you could finish their sentence with "...the one with the whales, right?" and be right most of the time.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That's true, but the movie did wind up much more expensive than it should have been because of the way nobody kept a close eye on what Robert Abel & Associates was doing with regard to special effects. They basically had to bring in a replacement special effects crew to work double-overtime for something like a year, and even then they came dangerously close to testing whether or not Paramount really would sooner send out cans full of blank film than pay out a penalty to theater owners for missing the contractual release date. It really was a clusterfuck of a production. Roddenberry was too busy doing drugs and having slapfights with Harold Livingston to actually function as, you know, a producer, and Katzenberg didn't come in to crack the whip until it was too late. If memory serves, Wise flew to the world premiere of the movie with the movie's last reel as his carry-on item.
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Finally got around to seeing the teaser, it looks like it could be fun. Like it looks like a Trek story to me- the crew gets trapped on an alien planet where aliens are fighting. (Come to think of it, of the old movies, Star Trek III is the only one with a "planetary exploration" angle, and that's not 100% the focus.) TMP is really cool in some areas (it looks gorgeous, Goldsmith's score is terrific, Nimoy gives an especially strong performance) and really badly flawed in others. Like, nobody pointed out in the process of putting the story together that we're spending at least half the movie on the bridge looking at things on the viewer? Or that a huge part of the drama revolves around these two characters we don't know very well at all? Plus both of the major action scenes are staged in these really odd, kind of annoying ways. It works out to I think a good movie overall but there's some missed opportunity there.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Finally got around to seeing the teaser, it looks like it could be fun. Like it looks like a Trek story to me- the crew gets trapped on an alien planet where aliens are fighting. (Come to think of it, of the old movies, Star Trek III is the only one with a "planetary exploration" angle, and that's not 100% the focus.) I like TMP because it's so weirdly flawed. It's TOS amplified, all the good and the bad, for a Motion Picture. It's pretty cool. (I do have weird taste, mind you.)
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Cry Havoc posted:wake me up when the villain is mudd Into Darkness ruined the chance of JJMudd showing up too. 
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WarLocke posted:Into Darkness ruined the chance of JJMudd showing up too. Did it? I remember a Mudd reference, but nothing that would count him out. Nick Frost As Mudd. Come On.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Did it? I remember a Mudd reference, but nothing that would count him out. Sulu says that the trade ship they fly to Kronos was confiscated during "the Mudd incident." Presumably he's in custody for something or another.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Did it? I remember a Mudd reference, but nothing that would count him out. Nick Frost As Mudd. Come On. The little ship they use in the movie was Mudd's, is the gist of that reference IIRC. Nick Frost as Mudd would be cool though, the guy needs to get more work.
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I think it's one of those things where a prequel comic to STID had Mudd as a Bajoran woman this go around. http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mudd_%28Bajoran%29 I still think Will Ferrell or maybe a Jack Black could maybe do Mudd as just a cameo part in a film. Maybe a Cantina scene or something and he and Cyrano Jones (played by Alfred Molina) are just chatting together about their latest business ventures for a moment.
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Pegg has already said that he didn't much care for the trailer either, if only because it's not at all indicative of what the movie is, so I imagine next year there's going to be a more traditional look (I believe this was specifically cut to play in front of Star Wars).
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wake me up when the villain is the dominion
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Cry Havoc posted:wake me up when the villain is the dominion You got it, Mr. Van Winkle. Meanwhile I'm looking forward to, hopefully, something we haven't seen before.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think it's one of those things where a prequel comic to STID had Mudd as a Bajoran woman this go around. Oliver Platt for Mudd. 
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It probably doesn't help that when I read Confederacy of Dunces and the talk was Ferrell was making the movie at the time, I envisioned him looking like Mudd.
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lizardman posted:Threadwise, do we have any complaints about Star Trek Generations that aren't "Kirk died a lame death" and various sci-fi/time travel nitpicking? It isn't a great film by any means, but I thought they came up with a solution as elegant as could reasonably be expected for the across-timelines crossover and I found some of the set pieces genuinely thrilling, partly owing to the score having some of the best action motifs in the series. Picard hanging out with his family is the worst poo poo ever.
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Art Alexakis posted:Picard hanging out with his family is the worst poo poo ever. The music in that sequence is good, and literally nothing else in it is.
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Generations feels way too inconsequential for a movie where Kirk dies and the Enterprise is destroyed. The visions of eternal paradise are a decent looking ranch house and some weird treacly Victorian bullcrap, Picard loses his family offscreen so he can have some "no more Picards" angst which nothing is really done with, a major part of the film is given over to some B comedy villains from the show not doing anything interesting, the ship blowing up is this insanely abrupt plot contrivance (and the scene of the saucer crash, when seen in a theater in then-new DTS sound, was like being inside a trash compactor full of glass bottles), and the grand climax to decide the fate of a planet is a bunch of old guys brawling on some rocks. (The alternate end sequence is a little better.) It's not the worst Trek movie but it's one of the least interesting.
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Well, those are certainly better reasons than "the klingons would never have been able to fire through the Enterprise's shields, everyone knows that after the Borg incident starfleet ships continuously remodulate their shield frequencies, it says so right here in my Star Trek technical manual, I mean GOD, did they think we were that dumb not to notice that?" so thanks. I'll just say Generations clicked with me. I liked seeing the movie pull off all these "big" moves they never would have in the series in a million years, and even thought it was enjoyable to see the slutty klingon sisters play off Malcolm McDowell. About the Nexus, I viewed it as something that resolved your deepest regrets more than a 'paradise' (I think it's obvious, for instance, that Soran's Nexus fantasy is simply to be back on his home planet with his family). And the Enterprise crash sequence was the most amazing thing I had ever seen in a movie theater up to that point. Like literally Jurassic Park levels of "OMG holy poo poo that was so awesome!" Obviously it hasn't held up anywhere near as well as JP, but what does?
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Generations is a bit like the earlier seasons of the show in that there are a lot of individual elements that are great but they just don't gel together into a cohesively great experience They should never have destroyed the D like that just because the studio wanted a "cool movie ship" though
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I think Generations could have been redeemed if they had had Kirk die fighting Solon, and Picard stopping the Nexus wave through "Technobabble" (for lack of a better word at 4 o'clock in the morning). It would have been an interesting parallel between TOS and TNG, which always seemed to have Kirk punching someone, while Picard was more of a button pusher.
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Considering they were busy writing the perfect series finale to TNG at the same time, I tend to excuse Generationns story flaws. Ron Moore is a talented writer but he he has to sleep like us ordinary people. Every plot point in Generations feels like it was written at 4 in the morning.
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