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I wonder if Uncle Derek knows who I actually am. I've been making fun of him, I wonder if I'm in danger.
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D_Smart posted:Sorry no. I've written about this in my blogs before. They were falt broke before Star Citizen. Know where they lived, what assets they had etc. The whole loving thing. You know, legal research. I think you misspelled stalking.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:27
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm going to throw my $0.02 behind CRoberts not being a criminal but instead being incompetent. I think he genuinely started to make a game, but was distracted by the opportunity to create an A-list digital cut-scene movie. You could tell by the livestream that he hasn't touched the game in an eternity. He's CEO of a company that has received over $100m in spendable funds, and I think he's using company funds to pay for a lifestyle that he could only ever dream of. Whether that's illegal or not will be seen if/when the company folds and
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Dec 18, 2015 03:30
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They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCqnrJsyoRY Merry Christmas
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Dec 18, 2015 03:31
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: You're doing yeoman's work there.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:40
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream:  That's loving brilliant 
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Dec 18, 2015 03:40
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LastCaress posted:Someone on the elite forums: Told you guys yesterday it was bullshit.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:40
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1500 posted:mid 2013, a time long ago, when CIG looked like they were competent and there was a chance of a good game. Huh. Well, the famous 1.1 version of the TOS (that essentially said refunds if the full game isn't out by the end of Nov 2014) was up 8/29/13. Their current one 1.2 was up on 2/1/15. Again, calling bullshit on the refund request, and now you've got a new point to argue that you clearly fall under the 1.1 TOS... https://web.archive.org/web/20141102060551/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
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Dec 18, 2015 03:42
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Nobody is saying they didn't land on a planet. What they're saying is that the entire demonstration is intentionally crafted in such a way that it appears to be more advanced than it really is. This is based on the following arguments: I told you this. Yesterday. Right after the stream. And it took me a single watch of the stream to spot the bullshit and call "smoke & mirrors" bullshit.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:47
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream:
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Dec 18, 2015 03:49
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Fractal Wave posted:Don't put the idea in the chairman's head. He'll insist that our computer run a full simulation starting from the big bang before rendering each planet to ensure realism. People kept asking me for the drat password thinking it was finished.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:49
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm going to throw my $0.02 behind CRoberts not being a criminal but instead being incompetent. If you chip in another 0.03$ cents i no someone whom knows someone that can hook you up with some sweeeeet .jpeg's. You in ?? 
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Dec 18, 2015 03:52
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Someone should take photos of the planets in E:D and post them as "leaked" jpegs of upcoming content.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:55
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Chris Roberts is making the game he wants to play. He just doesn't play it.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:59
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jaegerx posted:Chris Roberts is making the game he wants to play. He just doesn't play it.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:04
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RunAndGun posted:Huh. He doesn't. As long as he accessed the game after that, and agreed to the current ToS, he's farked.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:08
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: Holy poo poo.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:08
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The Strangest Finch posted:So another uniformed-layman question, how much effort is that sort of fix for the people actually coding things compared to, say, adding a new ship into the game? I guess I'm curious if they simply haven't thought to do it or if this is another instance of their priorities being totally hosed. It's a lot of work. Multiplayer programming is a specific discipline; not unlike graphics, AI etc. And through an MMO into the mix, and you're pretty much in alchemy territory.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:09
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D_Smart posted:I told you this. Yesterday. Right after the stream. And it took me a single watch of the stream to spot the bullshit and call "smoke & mirrors" bullshit. Oh I agree, and since I don't have a background in graphics or programming it took me awhile to really understand what you meant. Thanks for the clarification.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:09
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D_Smart posted:As long as you are a client, all packets get broadcast. If they wanted to, they could optimize it so that packets are handled based on location, distance etc. It cuts down tremendously on the amount of packets you have to send. Especially in instances whereby you have some packets which have to be "guarantee send" flag in the TCP or UDP package. Hey careful, you're verging on territory I'm actually familiar with. Not sure how you're going to localize on location, especially if they're planning to toss this into a remote network. Also you'll never have any sort of ack from udp. As in, it's not even designed to do that. Send and forget.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:10
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jaegerx posted:Chris Roberts is making the game he wants to play. He just doesn't play it. Chris deals only in purity and perfection, those few minutes playing 2.0 cost him 5 ablutions.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:12
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Oh I agree, and since I don't have a background in graphics or programming it took me awhile to really understand what you meant. Thanks for the clarification. No worries. I wish I had more time to do a detailed write-up. But after going through 15 pages, it looks like a bunch of smart folks, coupled with this gem over at ED, rose to the occasion. Seriously, this was nothing other than them wanting to show something new, substantial, eye-popping, in order to wind up the backers and raise money. Considering they appear to have made less than $500K, I don't think it worked.
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: Holy poo poo. Is this real life? Shut down the 'Verse boys, it's done. It's done. 
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Dec 18, 2015 04:15
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: Kubrick, Tarantino, Spielberg, Amarcarts.
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Amarcarts posted:They accidentally left the cameras on at CIG after the livestream: I am dead. The pubes.
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OhDearGodNo posted:
Being familiar doesn't mean you know more than someone (that would be me) who has written multiplayer games and entire network stacks. And I don't know what you're going on about. I never said anything about an "ack". And yes, you can localize on location by doing a range check on the client position and not sending any packets to any client outside of that range. I've done it. It's rudimentary. And every middleware lib (ReplicaNet, RakNet etc) help you do it. e.g. in one of my games, any client outside of a 100km range doesn't get any info about any client outside that range; only from other clients within that "bubble". Also.. http://ithare.com/64-network-dos-and-donts-for-game-engines-part-iv-great-tcp-vs-udp-debate/ http://www.jenkinssoftware.com/raknet/manual/introduction.html
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Omi-Polari posted:I think that might have been the most damning thing so far. A lot of Star Citizen stuff is pretty esoteric. But them loving up on a livestream and it being saved forever is something pretty much anyone can understand as: these people are nuts / this is going thermonuke. Yeah, that's definitely 'the emperor has no clothes' moment. I thought for awhile that they might pull something together, but with that performance, I'm not really so sure. He's obviously been obsessing over his magnum opus Squadron 42 and hasn't even looked at the PTU recently, which is ironic because that's really the thing everyone cares about. The cultists can say whatever they want, they don't give two flying fucks about Squadron 42 or A-List Actors or Mo-Cap. They just want to play pretend in space, with exploration, pirating, etc. As for Chris' competence, you don't have to be good at the game you are making. It goes beyond that. He looked like he didn't even play a game in a decade (like it or not, that is important. If you haven't played any games in awhile, how are you going to know what works and what doesn't?) He didn't know how to fix his computer and revealed his password on the livestream. He also didn't know where to go (and what ships were spawnable), didn't even like the UI or chat, which showed he hadn't even looked at it before it launched. What exactly is he doing then? The only answer is Squadron 42. And I think that's where you have the fundamental problems. The cultists want a persistent universe (which isn't even close to coming together. It is instanced and only supports 16 players. And that's without the massive bugs and crashes). Roberts wants to make a digitally interactive movie as well as this free and open game. Or maybe he really doesn't. Maybe he just cares about Squadron 42, since he can't shut the gently caress up about it and you can beat someone to death with the script. But he is also insanely jealous and wants his game to be the best thing ever, which is why he's throwing in planet generation only because ED has it. SC has no game systems in, no plan or design document on how to add them. Nobody knows what each ship is really worth since they are incredibly buggy and broken. With all that poo poo, plus Chris trying to play 2.0, I don't know how they are going to release anything.
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Dapper Dan posted:Yeah, that's definitely 'the emperor has no clothes' moment. I thought for awhile that they might pull something together, but with that performance, I'm not really so sure. He's obviously been obsessing over his magnum opus Squadron 42 and hasn't even looked at the PTU recently, which is ironic because that's really the thing everyone cares about. The cultists can say whatever they want, they don't give two flying fucks about Squadron 42 or A-List Actors or Mo-Cap. They just want to play pretend in space, with exploration, pirating, etc. As for Chris' competence, you don't have to be good at the game you are making. It goes beyond that. He looked like he didn't even play a game in a decade (like it or not, that is important. If you haven't played any games in awhile, how are you going to know what works and what doesn't?) He didn't know how to fix his computer and revealed his password on the livestream. He also didn't know where to go (and what ships were spawnable), didn't even like the UI or chat, which showed he hadn't even looked at it before it launched. What exactly is he doing then? The only answer is Squadron 42. They aren't.
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D_Smart posted:I told you this. Yesterday. Right after the stream. And it took me a single watch of the stream to spot the bullshit and call "smoke & mirrors" bullshit. Derek I know it's hard but not everyone is as amazingly brilliant as you. Some of us down here are mere mortals, try to understand.
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I can't believe the game is going to be delayed another two weeks because Chris is going to put everyone and their mother on making a new chat interface. But for serious ED could kill this just by adding little features that Chris needs to copy to keep up with it.
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I think as we get closer to the end of this whole thing we will see them dropping prices on poo poo to try and get people to give moar.
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SerCypher posted:Derek I know it's hard but not everyone is as amazingly brilliant as you. Some of us down here are mere mortals, try to understand. It's not about that, really. I was just making a point that if I had enough time last night to discuss/describe it in less than 20K words, it would all have been clear then.  To be honest, I'm just very disappointed that, to this day, they continue to pull poo poo like this. The amount of crap they've hyped, shown, deprecated, is about as much as they have left.
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D_Smart posted:They aren't. I was about 80/20 they were going to release something, but after that disaster of a live stream and adding even more feature creep that is somehow going to work with the currently buggy mess...yeah. The multiplayer portion is never going to come out (at least a shadow of what he promised) or remain basically what 2.0 is with a few bells and whistles added on. Because god knows what he is telling the designers after he saw it. I can't even imagine how much poo poo he wants redone. Squadron 42....I am not sure. That's Roberts' baby and even with Rome burning I think he might try to release it in some fashion. Even if he makes it a choose your own adventure game or hires a graphic artist to make it an interactive comic book or leaves the motion capture woefully unfinished. Hell, he might just make into a loving audio book. People will see his 'genius' no matter what. Unless he is just that incompetent and he's screaming at people to rework something while the development gulag is on fire. So I'm still torn on that.
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Jst0rm posted:I think as we get closer to the end of this whole thing we will see them dropping prices on poo poo to try and get people to give moar. That will be a quick way to piss off a lot of the backers who paid big $$ for 'limited' stuff. It would be amazing to see.
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I think we will get squadron 42 but it'll be a smaller edition than promised. Probably if we're lucky 6 hours of actual gameplay with 20 hours of mocap. There's no way we ever get the PU.
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Dapper Dan posted:I was about 80/20 they were going to release something, but after that disaster of a live stream and adding even more feature creep that is somehow going to work with the currently buggy mess...yeah. The multiplayer portion is never going to come out (at least a shadow of what he promised) or remain basically what 2.0 is with a few bells and whistles added on. Because god knows what he is telling the designers after he saw it. I can't even imagine how much poo poo he wants redone. I'm guessing that he basically pulls everyone who's left at CIG into finishing his baby Squadron 42 at the expense of the game people actually care about with the logic of 'We'll earn enough money selling Squadron 42 to finish Star Citizen'.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:That will be a quick way to piss off a lot of the backers who paid big $$ for 'limited' stuff. It would be amazing to see. I know. Its going to be so much fun
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Also if Sandi is one of my wingmen I'm gonna frag her right away just like I did maniac. It'll probably break the story because there's no way she would let herself get written off in episode 1
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm going to throw my $0.02 behind CRoberts not being a criminal but instead being incompetent. I think you could argue he's both  .In all seriousness, I definitely think that the probability that CIG is doing some shady/potentially illegal acts is very high. At the very least, there appears to have been mismanagement of funds and a bunch of customer rights violations. Even if Roberts isn't actively trying to scam people, if his company is breaking the law it puts his character into question. That said, the live stream proves that if nothing else, Roberts is ignorant of his own product (and therefore incompetent). He genuinely seemed lost. My immediate question after watching that was if he's been creating this game for Of greater concern is the lack of concern backers have upon seeing this travesty. I know, sunk cost fallacy and all that but surely this should give them cause for concern. Alas. I'm looking forward to seeing CIG reap what it's sown but I can't help but feel bad for the backers. No matter how this ends, they are getting poo poo on. Edit: vvvv Oh that poor fool  .
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