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Nenonen posted:Well for one thing, it's a crime. Secondly it's like stalking except on a mass scale and with political motivation. Imagine if everyone started putting together registers like that, what would happen to public discourse in this country? Persus would start throwing polttopillus at literally everything.
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Nenonen posted:Well for one thing, it's a crime. Secondly it's like stalking except on a mass scale and with political motivation. Imagine if everyone started putting together registers like that, what would happen to public discourse in this country? Sure, it's a crime, and a lovely thing to do. I hope he gets the fine that he has earned. But why are we talking about this? If you compile a list of two million people, more than a third of the population, that can hardly be called "stalking" anymore. Personally I'd be far more worried to be on a list of a hundred people than one of millions. What is the political motivation and how has it been demonstrated? If it turns out that someone has been harassed or intimidated because of that database, I will of course change my entire opinion about it. It is more than likely that all kinds of less-than-legit people have lists like that. I don't even want to know how many lists I am on.
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Dec 17, 2015 19:49
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vuohi posted:Sure, it's a crime, and a lovely thing to do. I hope he gets the fine that he has earned. But why are we talking about this? Which is why our government should not be making any of this information easily accessible. Keep it public but keep it the way shareownership is, i.e. accessible only with a reason on a specific computer and ban the newspapers from making lists about it that can be tracked later. No one has to my knowledge been hurt by this yet and I don't know what the political motivation is, but I'm not sure having the addresses of people posting in "controversial" Facebook groups (keep in mind this is not easy to see on Facebook and is almost impossible to wipe out) being easily downloadable will ever be a good thing. There's nothing good that CAN come out of it. Like why is that information something anyone would need to have? You only need one person to abuse it, luckily Finland is incredibly safe now but things can change. Can you imagine this sort of list in Britain or the US for example?
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Dec 17, 2015 19:55
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Sorry, but even if I try, there's no other way that I can read that except "ban phone books, at least in electric form". Privacy is very important to me, but that's going too far. Yes, we have to live with the risk that some rear end in a top hat will try to combine the phone book with people's embarrassing but public facebook group memberships. If there are two million people listed, there's no way that someone has manually combed through their "controversial" posts. What little can be seen in those screenshots is groups. If I am wrong, I'll mention in advance that I know nothing about this except what has been posted ITT. Keeping a database like that is of course very creepy (unlike some, I don't use that word lightly) and altogether very unfortunate. Even if it is always good advice not to attach your name to dumb poo poo online, there's no reason to blame the victim if someone gets abused for that. Also facebook is terrible in every way. The amount of online tracking they can do with their omnipresent embedded scripts is just absurd. Google ads is primitive when compared to how well personalized my facebook ads are. It will be one hell of a day for everyone when all that poo poo leaks one day.
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tuskinpa se enemmän pahaa saa sillä listallansa aikaan kuin zuckerberg tai lowtax
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http://www.thelocal.no/20151216/give-finland-a-new-highest-peak-norway-campaign posted:A Facebook campaign has been launched for Norway to give their flat Finnish neighbour a mountain that would become its new highest peak as a gift for the centenary of its independence. 
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Geriatric Pirate posted:They didn't get the info from Facebook. They looked at posts in Facebook groups and got your name. Then they matched your name to publicly available sources which have your address and phone number. If they scanned an old veropörssi, they could match it to income as well. Rekisterilaki didn't do poo poo in this case, except when it was already too late. Laws in general cannot prevent crimes from being committed, only deter them. quote:Ideally the system would be on a "you need a reason to do this search" (or, you need to pay to do this search, as with phone numbers) instead of just being able to mass search for people's addresses, incomes and whatever.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:34
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Herman Merman posted:What are these public address and phone number sources? I haven't been paying attention. Puhelinluettelo kai...?
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Ligur posted:I called it guyz, one day he will wake up in the middle of the night on the roof of an empty building and scream "NOOO! I AM HIM, I AM THE LIGUR!!!1" and then look for an imppu to end it all. Okay, point taken. But it's analogous you accusing someone of burning a refugee center just because they have pictures of a burning refugee center on their phone. It's not clear proof of anything.
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Oldsmobile posted:Okay, point taken. But it's analogous you accusing someone of burning a refugee center just because they have pictures of a burning refugee center on their phone. It's not clear proof of anything. I think filming of a burning refugee center compared to a beheading of a human is rather apples and oranges at this point.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:41
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If you think that's bad, check out his speech. It's on his twitter.
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Dec 18, 2015 08:12
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<uusi>koulu</uusi> *slashes the gently caress out of education*
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Dec 18, 2015 10:13
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They just copied the jeesusarmo bridge picture from rippikoulu 
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Dec 18, 2015 10:32
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I love the Ligurs in the pit under the bridge though 
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Dec 18, 2015 10:33
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What are these namby bamby wind farms and solar panels? Where's my Russian nuclear power plant?
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Seriously though I love the "heikoimmista huolehtiminen" when obviously troubled people in need of help have been banished to a pit secured with barbed wire. Also, instead of actually helping the dreamers across the gap by extending a hand, the bravery people are just standing there taunting them. A GOOD CARTOON. Oh and they're going to destroy the Eiffel tower after enveloping it in carbon dioxide 
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Dec 18, 2015 10:45
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Now now, you don't want to be THESE GUYS, do you?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Seriously though I love the "heikoimmista huolehtiminen" when obviously troubled people in need of help have been banished to a pit secured with barbed wire. Also, instead of actually helping the dreamers across the gap by extending a hand, the bravery people are just standing there taunting them. A GOOD CARTOON. The nice lady is offering them a ladder, they just need to bootstrap themselves up to the first rung 
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Dec 18, 2015 11:08
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vuohi posted:Now now, you don't want to be THESE GUYS, do you? Certainly not, being shut in a concentration camp Iike that must be pretty nasty.
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Dec 18, 2015 11:34
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Especially when all the other inmates are Ligurs 
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Dec 18, 2015 11:36
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Pussy Noise posted:The nice lady is offering them a ladder, they just need to bootstrap themselves up to the first rung actually she's burning it
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Dec 18, 2015 13:12
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But seriously though Immonen isn't a nazi because
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...well, because Ligur says so I guess? Can't think of anything else.
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ur problem is, jerry, that you don't actually know what nazis back then did or said or wanted. even thu u could google it up pretty easily. well, you are not the only poster with that issue... 
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Dec 18, 2015 13:37
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They wanted to kill people, just like Olli Immonen.
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Then there is the thing that actual fascists or nazis (think SVL) don't have any problems saying that is what they are out loud. But because there are so few of them, and people have a burning need to oppose "fascists" the lable is - and hey I know this is a humour forum, and I'm not taking most of you guys that seriously - the label is slapped on just about anyone or anything someone doesn't like hard enough. It kind of has taken the "edge" away from shouting that someone is a fascist or nazi or a racist or whatever. You can usually just deduct "oh, this probably pretty center-left or center-right person just said something some other person with a sjw syndrome didn't like".
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Dec 18, 2015 13:42
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"A pissbaby nazi isn't a nazi" - A nazi supporter.
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Also Finnish politics. You could replace the blue in that picture with red, and it could very well market either SDP or LA. Or green, and it would be Green party.
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Ligur posted:Then there is the thing that actual fascists or nazis (think SVL) don't have any problems saying that is what they are out loud. But because there are so few of them, and people have a burning need to oppose "fascists" the lable is - and hey I know this is a humour forum, and I'm not taking most of you guys that seriously - the label is slapped on just about anyone or anything someone doesn't like hard enough. Gulagin arkkipelaagissa kaikkia poliittisen pykälän saaneita kutsuttiin fasisteiksi. Tähän ryhmään kuuluivat mm. natsien vangeiksi ottamat neuvostosotilaat. Natseja vastaan tapelleet veteraanit olivat Neuvostojen ihmeellisessä maassa fasisteja. Funtsi sitä. Vähän samaan tyyliin Pariisin rauhansopimus legitimoi suomalaisessa keskustelussa kaikkien inhottavien ihmisten haukkumisen fasisteiksi. Tästä sitten jonkinlainen kehäpäätelmä onkin jo helppo tehdä, ja Jerry tod. näk. sydämessään uskoo Persujen suunnittelevan polttouuneja. Koulussa sanottiin että a) ikävät ihmiset ovat fasisteja b) fasistit polttivat ihmisruumiita uuneissa. Ergo, tuo Kirkko & Kaupungin pilakuva. Ei tässä mitään ihmeteltävää ole.
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Anneli Auer is now officially not guilty of murdering his husband, after the high court rejected all complaints. (And that stupid new "evidence" the prosecutors tried to pull from the emergency call tapes.) Now Auer is filing damages for unjust jailing for a decade or so. She's also trying to reopen the Satanic pedo cult verdict that landed her and her "accomplice" in jail. Personally I'm glad that poo poo is starting to unfold, it's one of the biggest gently caress ups by the Finnish judicial system.
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Dec 18, 2015 18:53
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Why did the Auer thing turn into such a poo poo show?
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doverhog posted:Why did the Auer thing turn into such a poo poo show? Because the prosecutor knows she did it, god dammit, but the police hosed the investigation up so badly that it's very hard to prove in court.
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The Auer thing is an absolute disgrace for the judicial system, but the one single most sad/hilarious thing about it was this: http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200805177666153_uu.shtml Short version: CSI Ulvila arrested and held an innocent man for several days probably because... check his picture and you will understand. I'm sure it is perfectly reasonable to suspect him when the killing was done with a knife.
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I'm not saying we should convict people due to their appearances, but I dare anyone of you to tell me that Auer doesn't look like a goddamn psychopath.
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SnowblindFatal posted:I'm not saying we should convict people due to their appearances, but I dare anyone of you to tell me that Auer doesn't look like a goddamn psychopath. You can't tell that from someone's picture. But of course she did it. It's always the spouse, a drunken friend, or the butler.
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vuohi posted:You can't tell that from someone's picture.  Our evolution has developed us to see the madness in other people. E: Sorry for your autism.
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