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Devor posted:The real reason that Patrick Sullivan is quitting is that he just couldn't stand to watch another pile shuffle Can't blame him. gently caress pile shuffling, it takes forever for you to finish and the only time I could ever recommend it is if you need to make sure you're running the correct amount of cards and you know, not cheating.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm thinking Crackling Doom is good with this, or Kolaghan's Command. The option to return a creature from the yard to hand seems like there could be a lot of value in a graveyard/recursion strategy. I'm liking the prospective Mardu control deck I'm envisioning. Double red by turn 5 is not a stretch for this standard. This seems good in about any deck that has red in it.
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Count Bleck posted:Can't blame him. gently caress pile shuffling, it takes forever for you to finish and the only time I could ever recommend it is if you need to make sure you're running the correct amount of cards and you know, not cheating. Yeah, I don't play paper magic that much anymore, but I would always do a single pile shuffle between games and matches to make sure I had sideboarded/desideboarded properly, and then do a half-dozen riffles.
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AlternateNu posted:This guy feels like a super late design choice since there is nothing flavor-wise to show that Zendikar goblins have this kind of ability. yeah it should be a Devil
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AlternateNu posted:This guy feels like a super late design choice since there is nothing flavor-wise to show that Zendikar goblins have this kind of ability.
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Count Bleck posted:Can't blame him. gently caress pile shuffling, it takes forever for you to finish and the only time I could ever recommend it is if you need to make sure you're running the correct amount of cards and you know, not cheating. Making sure you have the correct amount of cards isn't nothing... Thats why I do it. Count Bleck posted:My hopes for UR Control being a thing are still alive and kicking, I see. As people have already said, if you play that card in a deck that doesn't also play Crackling Doom and Kolaghans command you're doing it wrong. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Cards snapping is the worst and its very rarely anyone other than stereotypical try hard. They see it on the pro tour, on scg, or at big events and they are powerless to do anything but mirror that behavior. More dumb things like this are cropping up. You know that dumb counting gesture that is spreading? The one where someone uses there index finger in an semi fist to tap in an odd pattern criss-cross on the table? Yes, I get that you need to count possible damage going in or out, but people are mirroring this down to the gesture and tapping pattern. loving bizarre.
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Sickening posted:Cards snapping is the worst and its very rarely anyone other than stereotypical try hard. They see it on the pro tour, on scg, or at big events and they are powerless to do anything but mirror that behavior. I mean, I don't personally do the second thing, but it strikes me as perfectly natural.
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Count Bleck posted:Can't blame him. gently caress pile shuffling, it takes forever for you to finish and the only time I could ever recommend it is if you need to make sure you're running the correct amount of cards and you know, not cheating. I (stupidly) decided to read Twitch chat during the World Magic Cup, and there were a ton of people supporting pile shuffling with lovely arguments like "You should use multiple methods of shuffling anyway" and "It's pseudo-randomization but there's no such thing as complete randomization anyway". They just couldn't get it through their heads that pile shuffling isn't random at all. I blame the fact that it has the word "shuffling" in it.
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Sickening posted:More dumb things like this are cropping up. You know that dumb counting gesture that is spreading? The one where someone uses there index finger in an semi fist to tap in an odd pattern criss-cross on the table? Yes, I get that you need to count possible damage going in or out, but people are mirroring this down to the gesture and tapping pattern. loving bizarre.
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Dec 18, 2015 16:00
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I pile shuffle to signal to the illuminati which players are going to win which matches at which tables. Your superstitions and habits literally don't matter, I decide the match outcomes.
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NivMizzet posted:I (stupidly) decided to read Twitch chat during the World Magic Cup, and there were a ton of people supporting pile shuffling with lovely arguments like "You should use multiple methods of shuffling anyway" and "It's pseudo-randomization but there's no such thing as complete randomization anyway". On the other hand, this sounds like the most pleasant experience anyone's ever had reading Twitch chat
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Sickening posted:Cards snapping is the worst and its very rarely anyone other than stereotypical try hard. They see it on the pro tour, on scg, or at big events and they are powerless to do anything but mirror that behavior. I've never understood this hate some people have for card snapping/flicking. I am constantly moving my cards in my hand when I play, it helps me see what I have in hand and just keeps a constant reminder in my head of my options. Now I don't go at the speed of light ala Kibler, but hands are constantly in motion.
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Madmarker are you suggesting you cannot see the cards if they aren't moving. Are you a reverse tyrannosaurus
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Madmarker posted:I've never understood this hate some people have for card snapping/flicking. I am constantly moving my cards in my hand when I play, it helps me see what I have in hand and just keeps a constant reminder in my head of my options. Now I don't go at the speed of light ala Kibler, but hands are constantly in motion. I rearrange my cards regularly as well, but actually snapping them is very distracting. It's also primarily done by weird anxious grinders who are very clearly doing it while I'm trying to think so they can tilt me or whatever while I'm trying to do combat math. It's just a loud annoying noise! 
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Madmarker posted:I've never understood this hate some people have for card snapping/flicking. I am constantly moving my cards in my hand when I play, it helps me see what I have in hand and just keeps a constant reminder in my head of my options. Now I don't go at the speed of light ala Kibler, but hands are constantly in motion. Death Bot posted:I rearrange my cards regularly as well, but actually snapping them is very distracting. It's also primarily done by weird anxious grinders who are very clearly doing it while I'm trying to think so they can tilt me or whatever while I'm trying to do combat math. You know what helps me see things, moving them around constantly! Logic! 
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rabidsquid posted:Madmarker are you suggesting you cannot see the cards if they aren't moving. Are you a reverse tyrannosaurus  So this is why some people are annoyed when I calmly place my cards down to show what cards they know after they thoughtseize and ask them to do the same.
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It makes a certain amount sense, for a lot of people if you keep all of your cards in one place, the ones behind the others can often be accidentally ignored in the middle of major bits of strategizing. If you move them around, every card can have a turn up front, which gives a visual reminder of what all your options are. Again, not something I personally do but more than easy enough to understand.
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Sickening posted:You know what helps me see things, moving them around constantly! Logic! If you spread out cards sometimes one gets stuck behind another card, especially with old sleeves. If you keep moving them, they spread apart easier. Second, I am not referring to the physical act of seeing, rather the constant flicking in and out of my vision acts as a reminder of the options of each card and allows me to consider them individually instead of attempting to evaluate my hand all at once. If you don't do it, well great, but for me, I find it helpful. Also, how can you hear cards flicking anyway? Most of the time I am humming a song, or talking to my opponent or making puns about the board state. rabidsquid posted:Madmarker are you suggesting you cannot see the cards if they aren't moving. Are you a reverse tyrannosaurus Yes, yes I am a Xer Suruasonnaryt. Ramos posted:It makes a certain amount sense, for a lot of people if you keep all of your cards in one place, the ones behind the others can often be accidentally ignored in the middle of major bits of strategizing. If you move them around, every card can have a turn up front, which gives a visual reminder of what all your options are. This is exactly it. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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NivMizzet posted:I (stupidly) decided to read Twitch chat during the World Magic Cup, and there were a ton of people supporting pile shuffling with lovely arguments like "You should use multiple methods of shuffling anyway" and "It's pseudo-randomization but there's no such thing as complete randomization anyway".
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I just scream and cry constantly, although I juggle my cards in the air or sometimes even throw them like Gambit from the X-Men, so I can remember which cards I might have
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NivMizzet posted:I (stupidly) decided to read Twitch chat during the World Magic Cup, and there were a ton of people supporting pile shuffling with lovely arguments like "You should use multiple methods of shuffling anyway" and "It's pseudo-randomization but there's no such thing as complete randomization anyway". Ugh yeah, I was in Twitch chat at this time too. Depressing.
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I think it's bad that a card's art changes and it gets the mana symbols watermark all the time, makes it hard to parse the game state and to read the text when it's visually shifting all the time. Nice tech though, good proof of concept.
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I can't normally read any of the text on the card, but now that this card moves it's much easier for me.
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rabidsquid posted:I pile shuffle to signal to the illuminati which players are going to win which matches at which tables. Your superstitions and habits literally don't matter, I decide the match outcomes. So I can blame you every time I get mana screwed?  The only time I shuffle my hand around is when I'm organizing it for a general play order or if I have just 2 cards in hand and my opponent's tanking on something I usually end up moving the two back and forth to temper my growing impatience.
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Yawgmoth posted:I think it's that plus the aforementioned "I saw a pro do this so I'm gonna do it!" parroting. It's just bizarre to me because so many of the things people copy are these awful nervous tics/absurd habits that I'd be honestly embarrassed to have broadcast all over the world. It would be like me showing up to a friendly game of penny-ante poker in an oversized hoodie and sunglasses because I saw a couple dudes on WSoP doing it. Pile shuffling has to be the worst of the lot simply because it takes the longest for no benefit. I wish WotC would take a harder stance on it and just ban it under slow play/stalling. Pile shuffling take a few moment longer than counting your cards the normal way. For me, it is a more consistent way to count them. Counting your cards before each game has real benefits that is better to not ignore. Did a card fall out of my deck? Did I shuffle in a token by mistake? Did I shuffle in an opponents card? Did I mess up side-boarding? All worth the few extra moments. Out of all the dumb things magic players do it has to be the most justifiable annoyance. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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rabidsquid posted:Madmarker are you suggesting you cannot see the cards if they aren't moving. Are you a reverse tyrannosaurus I think that's just a regular tyrannosaurus.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm thinking Crackling Doom is good with this, or Kolaghan's Command. The option to return a creature from the yard to hand seems like there could be a lot of value in a graveyard/recursion strategy. I'm liking the prospective Mardu control deck I'm envisioning. No I mean nothing on the card really matches with anything else on the card. Like, it's a large Goblin with Menace that also acts like a sometimes-better Snapcaster but only on your turn? Also the goblins don't have eyes?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I think that's just a regular tyrannosaurus. « Traditional Games › Magic: The Gathering Megathread: I think that's just a regular tyrannosaurus.
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Sickening posted:Pile shuffling take a few moment longer than counting your cards the normal way. For me, it is a more consistent way to count them. Counting your cards before each game has real benefits that is better to not ignore. All these are legitimate reasons to do one pile shuffle, preferably before regular shuffling. It's the people who pile shuffle, shuffle, side-shuffle, and then proclaim to me, "I'm just gonna do a few more pile shuffles" that gets me. The gently caress you are. Or the people who pile shuffle once or twice after each mulligan.
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This will go great in my Krenko EDH deck.
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I didn't use to flick cards, but I started doing it when thinking out of habit. I'll take your regular aggressions about it now please
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BJPaskoff posted:All these are legitimate reasons to do one pile shuffle, preferably before regular shuffling. It's the people who pile shuffle, shuffle, side-shuffle, and then proclaim to me, "I'm just gonna do a few more pile shuffles" that gets me. The gently caress you are. Or the people who pile shuffle once or twice after each mulligan. Totally agreed. A store closer to my hometown is a place go to every once a while to play magic with my oldest friend. This place is loaded with people that didn't understand manaweaving is cheating. They had their first ever pptq ever and people were in for a rude awakening. They were fortunate only one person got dq'd. One person in particular was extremely dense on this issue. He purposed that he would mana weave first then thoroughly shuffle his deck. Despite multiple people trying to explain that if he shuffled thoroughly, the manaweave was pointless. Luckly we had a really old level1 guy who took no poo poo and finally shut it all down by saying "Pile shuffling in front of me is showing me intent that you are attempting to stack your deck, do it again and you will be dq'd". The concept of shuffling is lost on a lot of people. GoutPatrol posted:I didn't use to flick cards, but I started doing it when thinking out of habit. I'll take your regular aggressions about it now please Card flickers should be heckled relentlessly. They should be ridiculed like all those folks who pin their playmats, smell really bad, have nsfw playmats/sleeves, and think top shouldn't be banned. Sickening fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Sickening posted:Pile shuffling take a few moment longer than counting your cards the normal way. For me, it is a more consistent way to count them. Counting your cards before each game has real benefits that is better to not ignore. This isn't about pile shuffling as a means of card-counting, it's pile shuffling as a means of randomizing the deck. There are real humans who think that one pile shuffle is sufficiently randomizing it.
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personally i'm a very large fan of how this started with magic's poisonous business model and quickly degenerated into people who move their cards in their hand. truly equally grave dangers facing this game.
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black potus posted:personally i'm a very large fan of how this started with magic's poisonous business model and quickly degenerated into people who move their cards in their hand. truly equally grave dangers facing this game. At least it's not as bad as that subhuman trash that play lands behind permanents.
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Sickening posted:Card flickers should be heckled relentlessly. They should be ridiculed like all those folks who pin their playmats, smell really bad, have nsfw playmats/sleeves, and think top shouldn't be banned. 
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rabidsquid posted:Madmarker are you suggesting you cannot see the cards if they aren't moving. Are you a reverse tyrannosaurus Isn't this just regular tyrannosaurus?
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Melissa DeTora's back on TCG Player today, which I guess means she and Frank moved to Seattle so she could work for Wizards for just a year. http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=13014
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Serperoth posted:At least it's not as bad as that subhuman trash that play lands behind permanents.  Lands are the primary resource and mechanic for this game so they should be in front. Also helps to prevent your opponent from cheating with them as easily.
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