CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

jm20 posted:

Don't forget instead of trying to make his business more efficient (Conservative dogwhistleeeeee) he is simply throwing his hands up and blaming a politician.

Judging by the info in the article his labour takes up 75% of his revenue leaving him 300k to spend on fuel apparently? I'm guessing there's more problems here than THE POLITICIANS :bahgawd:

# ? Dec 17, 2015 23:16

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# ? May 15, 2024 11:34

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

jm20 posted:

Notley is going to ruin my business

gently caress that guy. His tomatoes are quite expensive enough that he can loving well afford to pay his employees properly, I loving promise you that.

What an rear end in a top hat.

# ? Dec 17, 2015 23:17

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

jm20 posted:

Don't forget instead of trying to make his business more efficient (Conservative dogwhistleeeeee) he is simply throwing his hands up and blaming a politician.

Enh, I kind of agree with the guy. At some point, you need to look at minimum wage as a social safety net that all companies should contribute to, not just companies that happen to employ minimum wage earners.

eg. I run a tech company. This guy runs a tomato company. Each business nets $100k at the end of the year. There is a problem though, people in low income brackets can't afford food and housing. We increase minimum wage by 40%. My software company is completely unaffected. This guy's costs go up by 400k. Why is it just the responsibility of the tomato guy to fix this problem?

In Ontario, the provincial tax rate is 5% for income under 40k, in Alberta it's 10% up to 125k. They could lower the tax rate for low earners and make it up by increasing the tax rate on high earners and corporate profits to distribute that social responsibility. It seems a little unfair to focus all the responsibility onto a small set of businesses. As the tech guy though, I like it but I feel a little dirty about it

# ? Dec 17, 2015 23:32

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

Businesses that complain about minimum wage increases deserve to fail.

If you are on the razers edge that an increase of $1 to wages is going to hurt your business you really need to take a look at yourself.

Wage should be around 20-30% of your rev

# ? Dec 17, 2015 23:32

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Dallan Invictus posted:

edit: I agree that getting bought means they might actually be a viable competitor, but in the sense that having actual money behind them that is willing to invest means they might actually be able to solve their actual problem: by building sufficient infrastructure and buying sufficient spectrum to not provide awful service even in downtown Toronto/Vancouver that (not enough) people only barely tolerate because it's cheap.

Wind and Mobilicity were fine in Toronto.

I don't know why anyone would be optimistic about Shaw ownership. Shaw already "competes" with Rogers for cable TV and internet in a good chunk of the country and it doesn't seem to have helped competitiveness all that much. On the other hand, real competition from provincial providers like MT and SaskTel seems to make a huge difference.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:19

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

yeah that's the one thing that I don't like about the carbon tax policy, it is giving anti-NDP people plenty of ammunition to blame the NDP for "destroying the economy" and "ruining businesses" and the media will eat it up because it is sensationalist news and that's what gets people clicking links and reading useless drivel.

So gas will be expensive like it is in every other province now, well thems the breaks Albertans, but they do have a point in that is the ANDP prepared to actually combat some of their complaints? This guy is claiming that he is closing his greenhouse because natural gas will be more expensive, he will have to pay his workers minimum wage AND holiday and overtime pay (holy poo poo!!!), and the grocery stores will still bring in goods from other areas because it is cheaper that way. There is something to be said about how what we do here doesn't matter if we still allow other provinces/countries to send stuff here. Now I understand because of NAFTA we don't have much of a choice there but there must be something that our government can do to offset some of the costs in situations like this but then again that's probably what was happening before and now his easy ride has disappeared and he is getting free shots at the government instead of trying to help his situation.

What is worst about this is that people will rally around this as an example of how the NDP is terrible, instead of seeing what was probably a lovely place to work where the owner was probably making more than enough profit and not redistributing it in a "fair" fashion. Sure the Dragons probably think it's a terrible plan but gently caress Kevin O'Leary and those dinosaurs

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:28

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

How can I build a globally competitive small business if I am not allowed to enslave my employees?

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:41

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Cultural Imperial posted:

How can I build a globally competitive small business if I am not allowed to enslave my employees?

TFWs or Nannies working the fields is par for course. Remember you are supporting a local business when you buy products picked by TFWs who remit as much money as possible out of country.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:44

Heavy neutrino: Sep 16, 2007; You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

THC posted:

Holy poo poo

Perhaps the police could use that statement as evidence, on the basis that anyone who gets lavished with praise by Christy Clark probably belongs in jail.

Ikantski posted:

Enh, I kind of agree with the guy. At some point, you need to look at minimum wage as a social safety net that all companies should contribute to, not just companies that happen to employ minimum wage earners.

eg. I run a tech company. This guy runs a tomato company. Each business nets $100k at the end of the year. There is a problem though, people in low income brackets can't afford food and housing. We increase minimum wage by 40%. My software company is completely unaffected. This guy's costs go up by 400k. Why is it just the responsibility of the tomato guy to fix this problem?

In Ontario, the provincial tax rate is 5% for income under 40k, in Alberta it's 10% up to 125k. They could lower the tax rate for low earners and make it up by increasing the tax rate on high earners and corporate profits to distribute that social responsibility. It seems a little unfair to focus all the responsibility onto a small set of businesses. As the tech guy though, I like it but I feel a little dirty about it

I actually agree with this, and I'm in favor of replacing the minimum wage with a mincome or UBI scheme. It's unclear whether it would actually drive down the labor costs of minimum wage businesses (people might just pursue an education without working a no-skill job, causing market pressures that drive no-skill wages upward), but you make a good argument for why the minimum wage is unfair from a business perspective.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:46

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Cultural Imperial posted:

How can I build a globally competitive small business if I am not allowed to enslave my employees?

Ikantski posted:

Enh, I kind of agree with the guy. At some point, you need to look at minimum wage as a social safety net that all companies should contribute to, not just companies that happen to employ minimum wage earners.

eg. I run a tech company. This guy runs a tomato company. Each business nets $100k at the end of the year. There is a problem though, people in low income brackets can't afford food and housing. We increase minimum wage by 40%. My software company is completely unaffected. This guy's costs go up by 400k. Why is it just the responsibility of the tomato guy to fix this problem?

In Ontario, the provincial tax rate is 5% for income under 40k, in Alberta it's 10% up to 125k. They could lower the tax rate for low earners and make it up by increasing the tax rate on high earners and corporate profits to distribute that social responsibility. It seems a little unfair to focus all the responsibility onto a small set of businesses. As the tech guy though, I like it but I feel a little dirty about it

I like these posts.

The solution to competition from workers in a state that allows literal slavery isn't to force your own workers to be slaves, it's to subsidize your corporations to negate the disparity and yell at the leader of Slaveland for treating his own people badly.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 00:55

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

flakeloaf posted:

I like these posts.

The solution to competition from workers in a state that allows literal slavery isn't to force your own workers to be slaves, it's to subsidize your corporations to negate the disparity and yell at the leader of Slaveland for treating his own people badly.

You mean slapping tariffs on imports from Slaveland, right?

# ? Dec 18, 2015 01:32

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

quote:

While the closing arguments will have to wait until 2016, the defence rested today in the Mike Duffy trial � a legal and political spectacle that greased Stephen Harper's downward campaign trajectory, exposed Canadians to the arcane workings of an already beleaguered Senate and could ultimately send one of the country's best known public personalities to prison for up to 14 years.

By the time the Crown wrapped up its cross-examination of the senator and former newsman today, tempers were so frazzled Duffy was accusing prosecutor Mark Holmes of "body shaming" him after a giant pumpkin contest reference. Our Leslie MacKinnon was in courtroom 33 today.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 01:32

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Shaming people like Mike Duffy for their obscenely obese bodies is cool and good, IMO.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 01:33

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Duffy has a thing under his neck that he inflates when threatened.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 01:40

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

A Petition I Can Get Behind.

Started by 'Ralph Klein'. :v:

# ? Dec 18, 2015 01:58

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

PittTheElder posted:

A Petition I Can Get Behind.

Started by 'Ralph Klein'.

Signed. The best petition.

EDIT: God willing, it can replace the Giant Metaphorical Anus up by the Calgary airport.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 02:01

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

jm20 posted:

Notley is going to ruin my business

I have a friend who worked under him for several years.

It was a pet project for a rich dude. It was never a legitimate business. He was looking to shut it down for about 3 to 4 years, he gets some face time with the media to brag to his friends about and gets to fulfill his conservative dream of kicking Notley on the way out.

He paid his workers well, treated them like slaves, but well paid slaves.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 02:05

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Heavy neutrino posted:

I actually agree with this, and I'm in favor of replacing the minimum wage with a mincome or UBI scheme. It's unclear whether it would actually drive down the labor costs of minimum wage businesses (people might just pursue an education without working a no-skill job, causing market pressures that drive no-skill wages upward), but you make a good argument for why the minimum wage is unfair from a business perspective.

Andrew Coyne agrees with you, http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/andrew-coyne-guarantee-a-minimum-income-not-a-minimum-wage

# ? Dec 18, 2015 02:47

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Hey, check it out: https://t.co/a17dZjQ4Xs

The Canadian Forces are having a positive influence in the anti-Daesh conflict without sending our ancient-rear end strike fighters to go bomb things! Another good choice by the Trudeau government, IMO.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 03:01

Nine of Eight: Apr 28, 2011; LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN; Dinosaur Gum

Ikantski posted:

�of course, you know, she is not the target of this investigation.�

That's right, hopefully the investigation will go higher :unsmith:

# ? Dec 18, 2015 03:09

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PT6A posted:

Hey, check it out: https://t.co/a17dZjQ4Xs

The Canadian Forces are having a positive influence in the anti-Daesh conflict without sending our ancient-rear end strike fighters to go bomb things! Another good choice by the Trudeau government, IMO.

I hope you're just trying to push my buttons. The trainers that Harper sent over were shooting while being supported by the jets Harper also sent over.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-iraq-isis-offensive-1.3370820 posted:

Canadian military forces were very much in the thick of a major offensive by the Islamic State against Kurdish forces in northern Iraq on Thursday.

Two CF-18s struck a fighting position belonging to the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, northwest of occupied Mosul, the embattled country's second-largest city.

Canadian special forces personnel training Kurdish forces laid down supporting fire to back up the Kurds in repelling the offensive that involved hundreds of extremists, the military said Thursday.

...

U.S. media reports say American, British and French jets also flew strikes as the multi-pronged offensive dragged on for over 17 hours.

Trudeau hasn't done jack poo poo to change the military mission over there so far. He hasn't pulled back the jets or sent over more trainers. If they award medals for vacillation, Trudeau better get two.

quote:

"What we're doing right now is working with our allies and coalition partners looking at how best Canada can continue to help militarily in substantive ways that offer real help in a way that is specifically lined up with our capacities as Canadians," Trudeau said.

"We do some things better than just about anyone else in the world and looking at our capacity to do that in smarter ways is exactly what Canadians asked me to do in the last election campaign."

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 18, 2015

# ? Dec 18, 2015 03:22

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hey when Mike Duffy gets acquitted of everything, do you think he could find a job somewhere as minister of health

# ? Dec 18, 2015 04:39

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cultural Imperial posted:

Hey when Mike Duffy gets acquitted of everything, do you think he could find a job somewhere as minister of health

Yes probably. He could be co-minister with Sarah Hoffman in Alberta, since they're obviously both very health-conscious and in the most superb physical condition. Truly, good examples for the people of Alberta.

(because they'd die sooner, and that's increasingly desirable to me)

# ? Dec 18, 2015 04:40

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

Cultural Imperial posted:

Hey when Mike Duffy gets acquitted of everything, do you think he could find a job somewhere as minister of health

He'd be right back on CTV being a loving retard.

Him and Pamela Wallin can have a show together where they reminisce on loving over Canadians and being complete shills.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 04:41

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

apatheticman posted:

Him and Pamela Wallin can have a show together where they reminisce on loving over Canadians and being complete shills.

Or they could produce a porno that would be used to punish Canada's worst and most heinous criminals, Clockwork Orange-style.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 04:46

Solenna: Jun 5, 2003; I'd say it was your manifest destiny not to.

PT6A posted:

Yes probably. He could be co-minister with Sarah Hoffman in Alberta, since they're obviously both very health-conscious and in the most superb physical condition. Truly, good examples for the people of Alberta.

(because they'd die sooner, and that's increasingly desirable to me)

This has been making the rounds on my Facebook, and I'll admit I laughed pretty hard given how much some of my friends have been bitching and moaning about Notley. The NDP haven't quite reached thanks Obama! levels of whining, but goddamn you'd think they single handedly tanked oil prices world wide immediately after getting elected to hear some people talk.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 05:21

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

PT6A posted:

Or they could produce a porno that would be used to punish Canada's worst and most heinous criminals, Clockwork Orange-style.

You should be charged for war crimes for suggesting this.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 05:31

Amgard: Dec 28, 2006

A porno runs into too many issues like lighting costs, STI screenings, hoping Duffy and Wallin have the right chemistry, etc.

What we should do is just hook up a 24/7 webcam feed of Duffy's kitchen and bathroom so Canadians can see that Senate expenses pay for all the garlic cabbage rolls, fried chicken, and potato salad that Duffy crams down his superinflated craw. Then after he's done, Canadians can be a part of his strained, bowl-creaking bowel movements. You'll hear every chew, every smack, every grunt, every splash.

We'll call it the Southern Gateway Pipeline.

Amgard fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Dec 18, 2015

# ? Dec 18, 2015 15:43

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

# ? Dec 18, 2015 15:46

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Amgard posted:

We'll call it the Southern Gateway Pipeline.

Also would've accepted "Line (6)9"

# ? Dec 18, 2015 16:13

Amgard: Dec 28, 2006

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Also would've accepted "Line (6)9"

Runner-up was Keystone XXXXXL :v:

# ? Dec 18, 2015 16:41

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Hey guys, quick note, if any of you want to volunteer/donate/assist in helping refugees come here, CFIC has set up a special hotline to do so. It is 1-844-61 SYRIA (1-844-617-9742, TTY: 1-800-465-7735) or the webpage: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/help.asp

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:17

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

Ugh bunny (and whoever in thread works for the NDP) you probably got one of my uncle's emails today. He copied me on it because ???

quote:

SUBJECT: Total Scumbags
TO: Justin Trudeau, Thomas Mulcair, Kathleen Wynn
BCC: JohnnyCanuck

BODY:

I as a senior citizen am totally disgusted at the way you treat us Canadian Senior Citizens. You, Mulcair and Wynn, three 2 bit politicians will do anything to attempt to make yourselves, look good at the expense of the Canadian Taxpayer. CTV reported the following:

Not fair is an understatement. Wow� This article was on CTV news last night. We copied it to send out.

First let me remind you of what you stated day after day week after week and month after month during the recent election campaign. You all stated that Prime Minister Stephen Harper was running an 8 billion dollar deficit and was lying to Canadians about the size of the deficit and how poorly Prime Minister Stephen Harper had managed the economy. Then you JUSTIN TRUDEAU PROMPTLY ANNOUNCE IN THE LATTER PART OF THE ELECTION THAT YOU WOULD RUN A DEFICIT OF $10 BILLION DOLLARS IN EACH OF YOUR 1ST 3 YEARS BUT BALANCE THE BOOKS IN THE 4 TH YEAR.

This as you know was a flagrant lie, supported by the other two disgusting lying politicians MULCAIR AND WYNN. TOTALLY DISGUSTING.

Well in less than 45 days since taking power the DEFICIT is now projected to be in the neighbourhood in the 1st year of $25 BILLION.

This is a total disgrace for which you three scammers should be totally ashamed and possibly be charged with illegally misleading all Canadian Citizens.

In your disgusting rush to make yourselves look good, you are bringing in people by the thousands that will no doubt be proven to contain some Islamic Terrorist, that will lead to the unfortunate deaths of some Canadian Citizens and the destruction of various Canadian property.

In the CTV report, I doubt that any amounts have been included for such things as: Hotel Accommodation, Meal Allowances, Local Transportation, clothing allowance, cell phone allowances, future accommodation costs, medical and dental costs, etc. etc.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper also clearly stated that his government was willing to take in Syrian Immigrants but only after they had been properly checked out or vetted. You Justin Trudeau in your rush to make yourself look great have opened the flood gates to radical islamic terrorists that will join the other Syrian immigrant group with counterfeit Syrian Passports.

In the meantime you will be paying each and every immigrant legitimate or not in access of $4,000 dollars per month which includes some of the additional costs that CTV failed to mention.

It is extremely obvious that in order to make yourselves look good you have rushed into this without any level of good financial or moral accounting as well as detailed background checks. It makes me nauseous to recall the terrible things you said about Prime Minister Stephen Harper repeatedly over the past three years.

I think back to your qualification Justin Trudeau and let me remind you, you have a degree in acting, you have been a part time acting teacher, and you were appointed to be in charge of the Katimavic Youth Program by a good friend of your father, Senator Hebert, only because you were the son of another disastrous Prime Minister, your father Pierre Trudeau. That was it your total qualifications for Prime Minister of Canada, what a terrible joke. Oh I forgot to mention that you had the total support of CBC, CTV and all of the other left wing media.

I only hope that at some time you will be held accountable for your actions and your total disregard for misuse of Canadian Tax Dollars which by the way are my and every other citizens tax dollars not yours to spend with total disregard.

You Justin Trudeau have mirrored everything that Barak Obama, another political disaster, has done during his 2 terms of office, even to the extreme of using selfies to promote yourself over and over again. It is obvious that you have no conscience or regard or respect for managing the Canadian Government or the efficient spending of our hard earned tax dollars.

Finally, I have to wonder If you, Mulcair and Wynn are so concerned about the Syrians why have you not opened your homes and dinner tables to them. Especially you Justin with 2 official residences, at our expense, 24 Sussex and the great Canadian Summer Home you are occupying because you feel 24 Sussex is inadequate for you your wife and children.

Shame, shame, shame!!!!

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:30

Tan Dumplord: Mar 9, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Who's the Minister of Moral Accounting again?

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:32

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Is your Uncle that guy that called the Liberals loving liars on TV and yelled VOTE HARPER

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:33

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Hey, I think I work with your uncle!

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:37

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Ugh bunny (and whoever in thread works for the NDP) you probably got one of my uncle's emails today. He copied me on it because ???

ParksvilleQualicum.txt

gently caress this town.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:42

T8R: Aug 9, 2005; Yes, I would like some tea!

Where are Senior Canadians getting all of this completely outrageous misinformation? Are they creating it themselves, or is someone else feeding it to them? There must be some kind of dark information network for the older generation that is being manipulated by outside interests. I don't even know where to start trying to solve this problem. Maybe I should start going to church.

*Edit* I'm starting to think senior Canadians are trolling us and we don't even know it

T8R fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Dec 18, 2015

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:44

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

T8R posted:

Where are Senior Canadians getting all of this completely outrageous misinformation? Are they creating it themselves, or is someone else feeding it to them? There must be some kind of dark information network for the older generation that is being manipulated by outside interests. I don't even know where to start trying to solve this problem. Maybe I should start going to church.

Facebook

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:47

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# ? May 15, 2024 11:34

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Ugh bunny (and whoever in thread works for the NDP) you probably got one of my uncle's emails today. He copied me on it because ???

Thanks for the warning. Already isolated it, and quarantined.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:47

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