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Epic High Five posted:I like Bernie and would happily vote for him, but after Dubbya and the treatment Obama has gotten during his terms, I want someone who will nonstop, 24/7 skull gently caress Republican lawmakers until they agree to play ball and govern instead of building media circus hills to media circus die on. Building media circus/bully pulpit hill after bully pulpit hill is admittedly all I can picture the Berninator doing without full Dem control of the House and Senate. Also anyone who isn't for seeing Imperator Hillarosa unleash decades of carefully saved Republican tears upon Capitol Hill needs to 
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GalacticAcid posted:This is such whiny, tumblr-twitter bullshit. If you don't recognize that the left-liberal party with majoritarian aspirations has to do a better job appealing to poor white people, I'm not sure what to tell you. Yeah because that's what he was saying.
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Logikv9 posted:Bernie supporters love victimizing themselves because it gives them a rationale on why they are losing. Because obviously the reason isn't because the majority of voters wanted Clinton. *No voting has happened yet* "Man this whole thing just isn't democratic, you know, it was all a setup from the start" Guys what are you gonna say when he has a win in a place like NH? Did he overcome the dastardly Clinton plots there?
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Dec 18, 2015 19:00
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Pope Guilty posted:Yeah god why can't these idiots understand that class is the only real issue instead of wasting their time on bourgeois ideologies like feminism and antiracism This hyperoverreaction to the idea of appealing to low income voters is so strange. Like, I think addressing racism and misogyny is important, but I don't see how doing only that builds a coalition that makes inroads into GOP domination at the state and local levels.
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Pope Guilty posted:Yeah because that's what he was saying. Turning around and making GBS threads on people every time they mention class issues by saying "you're abandoning feminism and antiracism!" is retarded and counterproductive, and is exactly what you did.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:02
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:They're going to try and impeach her from day 1. I can only see Hillary rolling with the punches of right wing messaging same as always
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Dec 18, 2015 19:03
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Pope Guilty posted:Yeah because that's what he was saying. It actually is!
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GalacticAcid posted:This is such whiny, tumblr-twitter bullshit. If you don't recognize that the left-liberal party with majoritarian aspirations has to do a better job appealing to poor white people, I'm not sure what to tell you. Ergo, modern feminism as an ideology is wholly owned and subsidized by upper class white women.
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Is Paul Ryan now the most powerful bearded American of the twenty-first century? Dead Cosmonaut posted:Ergo, modern feminism as an ideology is wholly owned and subsidized by upper class white women. Yeah exactly, as if feminism and class struggle can't mutually reinforce one another.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:09
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Tatum Girlparts posted:*No voting has happened yet* I believe the Sanders vote % in NH and VT will be held out as the true correct unskewed result nationwide while the other states will be lost due to Clinton-trickery.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:10
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Logikv9 posted:Bernie supporters love victimizing themselves because it gives them a rationale on why they are losing. Because obviously the reason isn't because the majority of voters wanted Clinton. Because the Sanders campaign thought it could ratfuck Clinton. Nobody ratfucks Clinton but a Clinton. Ding dong the socialist candidate's campaign is dead
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GalacticAcid posted:Is Paul Ryan now the most powerful bearded American of the twenty-first century? Did one of the big hot-air radio sources call his beard Islamic, or was it just the Brietbart comment section?
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Dec 18, 2015 19:12
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Hi, I'm a white well off nerd, and let me tell you white identity politics are a distraction
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GalacticAcid posted:Yeah exactly, as if feminism and class struggle can't mutually reinforce one another. Only if the party that's pro-feminism is also the party which is pro-class struggle, which really is not the case at all.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:13
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:This hyperoverreaction to the idea of appealing to low income voters is so strange. Like, I think addressing racism and misogyny is important, but I don't see how doing only that builds a coalition that makes inroads into GOP domination at the state and local levels. Because: A.) women and minorities make up over 75% of the electorate, so saying "you'll never get elected without focusing on what I, a white man, wants" seems wrong as a start B.) historically, most movements in the U.S. that have had success in promoting class issues have only succeeded when they agreed to sell out any sort of representation of minority issues (see: New Deal) so when you say "maybe minority rights aren't as important" there's a path you're going down that everyone knows you're going to go down eventually and whining about "wow you guys are so mean" rather than explaining what minority issues the dems should drop isn't helping
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My Imaginary GF posted:Nobody ratfucks Clinton but a Clinton. What about a Lewinsky?
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Zelder posted:Hi, I'm a white well off nerd, and let me tell you white identity politics are a distraction Hi I'm a very, very rich upper class white woman and let me tell you about how social issues and minorities are both important to my ideology.
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GalacticAcid posted:Turning around and making GBS threads on people every time they mention class issues by saying "you're abandoning feminism and antiracism!" is retarded and counterproductive, and is exactly what you did. I'm not going to say it's impossible to deal with class politics and identity politics at the same time, but this country doesn't have a good track record with it. I'm not sure what the Democratic Party can do to reach out to working class whites because as far as I can tell, at least in my area, what's keeping those voters away *is* the party's commitment to social justice and identity politics.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:14
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Jeff Weaver just announced that the Sanders campaign will be in federal court this afternoon to get back access to VAN. They're also calling for an independent audit of the DNC's handling of this and say they knew about other data issues months ago and alerted the DNC and the vendor.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:15
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Sanders campaign going nuclear against the DNC, claimed they sent Sanders data to Clinton, and has announced their intention to sue yeah this won't backfire in any way
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Dec 18, 2015 19:16
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Hi I'm a very, very rich upper class white woman and let me tell you about how social issues and minorities are both important to my ideology. Hi, I'm capable of feeling empathy, let me tell you what it's like being neither a sociopath nor an autist
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Hoping that further fallout between Sanders and the DNC doesn't lead to more Sanders supporters not voting straight ticket Dem in the general.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:17
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Muscle Tracer posted:Hi, I'm capable of feeling empathy, let me tell you what it's like being neither a sociopath nor an autist Being rich makes you a sociopath by default. Eat the rich. Logikv9 posted:Hoping that further fallout between Sanders and the DNC doesn't lead to more Sanders supporters not voting straight ticket Dem in the general. This will happen.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:17
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Long story short, poor whites have a long long history in this country of only wanting economic justice if you can prove you're willing to gently caress over minorities, and walking in here saying, "Maybe minorities should be a little more hosed, have we thought of that?" is not going to go well
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Dec 18, 2015 19:18
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Gail Wynand posted:Sanders campaign going nuclear against the DNC, claimed they sent Sanders data to Clinton, and has announced their intention to sue Raising the stakes in a situation they seem to have been caught red-handed. The DNC is saying they exported and downloaded data. Interesting to see how this pans out for either side.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:19
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Eschers Basement posted:Long story short, poor whites have a long long history in this country of only wanting economic justice if you can prove you're willing to gently caress over minorities, and walking in here saying, "Maybe minorities should be a little more hosed, have we thought of that?" is not going to go well The IWW and socialists in this country were doing more for minorities than the Democrats ever did.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:20
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Joementum posted:Jeff Weaver just announced that the Sanders campaign will be in federal court this afternoon to get back access to VAN. But this still doesn't excusing having 4 people rooting around in files they weren't supposed to have access to? I mean, the very first Network Security class I took in college said "If you see something, tell someone. You do not have the right to even investigate breaches on your own initiative."
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r/sandersforpresident has been heavy handed in deleting anti-DWS and DNC posts, wonder if they will do an about face now
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Mrit posted:But this still doesn't excusing having 4 people rooting around in files they weren't supposed to have access to? Indeed. They reiterated that they fired the director who was doing it and are looking into what the other three did and may fire them too.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:21
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Joementum posted:Jeff Weaver just announced that the Sanders campaign will be in federal court this afternoon to get back access to VAN. Because pissing off DWS as she attempts to ingratiate herself further with Hillary is such a good idea.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:23
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Epic High Five posted:Oh boy another Republican declaring a crusade against Islam. That worked out really well for Dubbya. Well since its the Crusades that was responsible for us losing it, that seems doubtful.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:24
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The IWW and socialists in this country were doing more for minorities than the Democrats ever did. drat straight! They they hm did they publish some books? I think they published some books. Definitely outweighs the 1964 Civil Rights Act. That poo poo was weak.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:28
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Joementum posted:Indeed. They reiterated that they fired the director who was doing it and are looking into what the other three did and may fire them too. Who hired the director in the first place?
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pacmania90 posted:Who hired the director in the first place? Why would that matter?
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Joementum posted:Why would that matter? Obviously it was a Clinton plant.
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Eschers Basement posted:drat straight! They Johnson was a huge racist. The Democrats never owned the Civil Rights Movement. They only reacted to it.
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Eschers Basement posted:drat straight! They Remember, it isn't what you actually do for minorities, it is how ideologically pure your coalition is! Dead Cosmonaut posted:Johnson was a huge racist. The Democrats never owned the Civil Rights Movement. They only reacted to it. So are you seriously arguing that without the Democrats we would be better off on civil rights? I bet most of the men who gave women the right to vote were sexist too! If only we had waited long to pass sufferance, we could have done it with ideological purity! Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Man I do not like Jeff Weaver. Sanders needs to surround himself with better people.
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Joementum posted:Why would that matter? The molehill needs boulders if it's ever going to achieve its dream of being a mountain
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