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I was fine with this because of Imagine actually guarding a planet size death star, it would be nearly impossible. Like Death Stars this thing is actually kinda an ineffective weapon when you get down to it, but its easy to overlook because they are just great tools for terror
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teagone posted:The reason I'm suspecting this at all is because of the exchange Rey and Leia have towards the end of the film. It's not a lot to go by, but their reaction for being supposed total strangers had a whole lot of emotion behind it. The emotion is twofold: Rey has just witnessed the death of Leia's lover and battled with her estranged son, and Rey found a father figure in Han -- like Luke did in Ben -- but subverting the repetition of that story structure it's now shifted to a mother figure in Leia. Leia and Rey are also both force sensitive, which now again seems to be rare.
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Kurzon posted:Kylo Ren may not yet be as powerful as Darth Vader, but he's still fairly badass. It took the combined efforts of Chewie, Finn, and Rey to beat him, and Snoke is now going to train him further. And the other "dweeb losers" blew up three Republic worlds with a superweapon more badass than the Death Star. More to the point they look like dweeb losers. And in Phasma's case gets thrown in the trash can. Their actions and in-universe presence are different.
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Kurzon posted:Kylo Ren may not yet be as powerful as Darth Vader, but he's still fairly badass. It took the combined efforts of Chewie, Finn, and Rey to beat him, and Snoke is now going to train him further. And the other "dweeb losers" blew up three Republic worlds with a superweapon more badass than the Death Star. People I saw it with took the transition of Ren from "badass who can stop frickin lasers" to "beaten by someone who just picked up a lightsaber" as being due to the Force Awakening (tm), i.e., he was so powerful at the beginning of the film not necessary because of some innate power, but because the dark side was unopposed. As Rey awakens, it's not just that she learns to use the force, but the force comes more into balance and his power diminishes.
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Just thought I'd share my opinion that this was a great movie full of adventure and fun, kthx. Looking forward to the next.
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mr.capps posted:I was fine with this because of Imagine actually guarding a planet size death star, it would be nearly impossible. Like Death Stars this thing is actually kinda an ineffective weapon when you get down to it, but its easy to overlook because they are just great tools for terror I guess the sticking point for me is that the new planet killer was built up as bigger threat. Similar to how Death Star 2 was a bigger threat than Death Star 1, and as such was arguably more difficult to overcome for our heroes.
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Fish Of Doom posted:I'm reminded why I never go to the theater. There was a guy sitting behind me who was commenting on stuff through out the whole movie. It was mostly saying, "Aw, poo poo," literally anytime anything even moderately exciting happened, or was introducing characters incorrectly (Keelo Ren, 3P-CO, R2-BB, Captain Fantasia), but would occassionally just turn into him narrating what was happening on screen "Oh he she force tricked him and he dropped his gun. Now she's going to escape." "R2D2 woke up, now they're bringing the map together" Somebody fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Zoran posted:
Yeah, I agree. I mean, the whole talk about the lightsaber/force calling out to Anakin and Luke before? That was really on the nose. Why should she be able to "hear" it, if she wasn't part of the lineage? I don't think there's any big mystery here.
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Just to be clear, the First Order is a insurgency movement that enacts terrorist attacks on the democratic Regime (The New Republic) whilst sitting on the border of another Regime (The Empire) that was defeated previously but is still a major regional power. Due to war weariness the Democratic power does not want to intervene against the first order and uses proxies to do so instead (The Resistance), whilst The Empire follows a similar strategy, ultimately letting a situation that could have been rectified get completely out of hand and resulting in major attacks on the democratic regime. Usually I'm not one for reading into subtext too deeply, but just as the OT was informed by Vietnam I really do think that this is informed by Syria and Post Occupation Iraq.
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Corek posted:Sam Kriss hobnobs with goons and ex-goons on twitter and has recently provoked a response from Slavoj Zizek for criticizing his refugee stance. It's quite possible that the article actually was derived from SMG's posting here. If it was, he missed a good deal of the point. That article is a good primer on how to read Star Wars, but Kriss gets too proud of the technological terror of the Death Star, and fails to understand the full implications of a suffering Force - the Force as suffering God, with Vader as its incarnation. Only a suffering God can save us: “a God who – like the suffering Christ on the Cross – is agonized, assumes the burden of suffering, in solidarity with the human misery". -Zizek If course, this is precisely what happens at the end of Episode 6 (though many fail to understand it.)
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Dahbadu posted:I guess the sticking point for me is that the new planet killer was built up as bigger threat. Similar to how Death Star 2 was a bigger threat than Death Star 1, and as such was arguably more difficult to overcome for our heroes. Well, then you must have agreed with Han's response to their reactions.
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3D or 2D? I'd like to watch it in 2D but there are way more 3D showings, so I may not have a choice. Is it annoying?
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Zoran posted:And it's possible that she's his little sister, but then I think it's hard to see why he hates her so much. If Ben aspired to take on the family legacy, then why does a little sister threaten that? Because Kylo Ren chose the dark path, and wants to further that line of succession following Darth Vader, not the line of Anakin Skywalker that claimed redemption which is the path that Rey is likely to be set upon. I just find the contrast of brother and sister representing the light and dark ideologies of the family legacy to carry more weight than if they were cousins. I'm game either way though, because I think both Rey and Ben are great characters. I'd also be game if Rey just turns out to be like, the long lost daughter of Kenobi or something.
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Kurtofan posted:3D or 2D? I'd like to watch it in 2D but there are way more 3D showings, so I may not have a choice. Is it annoying? I didn't find it annoying. The aerial combat looked great in it, and there's another scene where a Star Destroyer seems like it's poking you in the face, which was fun.
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This was a fantastic movie, easily better than any of the Star Wars prequels in my opinion. It was a lot of fun, it was funny, and I really liked the brisk pacing. To those who complained that they didn't explain enough in the movie, haven't you heard of the "show, don't tell" technique? There was plenty of visual and audio cues that helped tell the story - for example, when we see Rey tallying up the days she's been waiting for her family to return. I thought the movie had beautiful cinematography, however, it would've been better if they ended the film with a shot of Luke's reaction to Rey handing him his old lightsaber. All of the new characters were very likable, especially Rey, Finn and BB-8 (who nearly stole every scene he was in, I was amazed how expressive he was). Poe was another surprise, in that he's more than just a throwaway fighter pilot in that he's the one that gives Finn his name, and helping him find his identity beyond being just a stormtrooper. Kylo Ren was pretty badass, and a worthy successor to Darth Vader. I'm glad I was wrong in thinking he'd be a one-movie villain like Darth Maul. He's very much a mirror of Anakin pre-Darth Vader, in that he's reckless, letting his emotions get the best of him and cloud his judgment. I really, really liked the reveal that he's the son of Han Solo and Leia, and that his name is Ben (named after Obi Wan). Some other spoilery thoughts: - I loved the scene with Han and Kylo on the bridge. It was very reminiscent of the bridge scene in ESB, except the roles were reversed. - Chewie was so awesome in this movie, he was so badass after he single-handedly takes out the five stormtroopers after Han dies and finishes the mission of blowing up the base - Rey has to be either Luke's daughter, Han and Leia's daughter or Obi Wan's daughter. It seems most likely (in my opinion) that Luke is her father. - You'd think after two Death Stars having a weak point in the center that the First Order would learn from the Empire's mistakes, but here we are. - I'm really happy they limited the screentime of the Original Trilogy crew, as that helped give the film more time to develop the newer characters. I'm totally okay with them saving Luke for the next movie. I'll be seeing this again tomorrow at a Drive-In movie theater near me. Last night I saw it in 3D IMAX (the 3D doesn't do much at all, but it wasn't super distracting). It should be a fun experience seeing it at a Drive-In! Jonny_Rocket fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Having not read the spoilers or seen the movie yet I find this threads non-spoiler description of Kylo Ren as a "cosplaying, vader fanboy, edgelord school shooter" to be an interesting one. I rolled my eyes at first, since it's so modern and kind of hipsterish, but the more I think about it, the more refreshing it is to have a villain that's more than one note. Hell, even Vader as much as I love him for his fantastic character design was pretty one note until we find out more of his backstory later on. If Kylo Ren is basically Dane DeHaan's character from Chronicle, then that sounds like it might actually be an interesting take on the character.
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Kurtofan posted:3D or 2D? I'd like to watch it in 2D but there are way more 3D showings, so I may not have a choice. Is it annoying? 3D not only not annoying but also good in a way most movies never do with 3D. Right from the beginning you'll think it's worth it.
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Heads up for all the people making massive spoiler block posts in case you weren't aware there's a relatively new discussion thread where you don't have to spoiler anything. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748341 Kurtofan posted:3D or 2D? I'd like to watch it in 2D but there are way more 3D showings, so I may not have a choice. Is it annoying? Felt like an afterthought. It's not annoying but it didn't really feel immersive or anything. I'd save the $5 or whatever. Gravity pretty much ruined 3D for me because no movie is ever going to do it that well.
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I liked Hux. I want to mention that I like Hux because while Kylo Ren is getting a lot of deserved love, I feel like Hux was cool and I look forward to seeing more Hux.
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Am I the first person to notice Maz Kanata's name is a play on Mas Que Nada?. I thought it was a coincidence until the bossa nova playing at her place.
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I also found Chewie's touch of grey superb. He looked fabulous.
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Movie ruled. Definitely going to see it again
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-Blackadder- posted:If Kylo Ren is basically Dane DeHaan's character from Chronicle, then that sounds like it might actually be an interesting take on the character. That's actually a pretty drat good comparison, come to think of it.
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After reading a few pages, can't find an answer: what's the deal with the lightsaber that Rey finds being Anakin's/Luke's original? Wasn't that lost on Bespin? They brush it off in the film, but is there some sidestory/EU poo poo here?mr. mephistopheles posted:Heads up for all the people making massive spoiler block posts in case you weren't aware there's a relatively new discussion thread where you don't have to spoiler anything. Doesn't that thread contain spoilers for VIII and IX too, though.
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Yes, it contains rumors and speculation for all the upcoming films.
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-Blackadder- posted:Having not read the spoilers or seen the movie yet I find this threads non-spoiler description of Kylo Ren as a "cosplaying, vader fanboy, edgelord school shooter" to be an interesting one. I liked when Kylo Ren is interrogating Rey and he takes off his helmet and she sort of makes a face like "oops he's hot and/or has great hair." mr. mephistopheles posted:Heads up for all the people making massive spoiler block posts in case you weren't aware there's a relatively new discussion thread where you don't have to spoiler anything. 
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mr.capps posted:I liked Hux. I want to mention that I like Hux because while Kylo Ren is getting a lot of deserved love, I feel like Hux was cool and I look forward to seeing more Hux. I feel like they didn't do enough with him to really have an opinion but I like Domnhall Gleeson and think he's set up to be a potentially cool character. It would be nice to see more internal fighting between the Sith bros and the military officer bros than the kind of weak suggested way it was in ANH where the Sith bros clearly ran the show. turtlecrunch posted:I liked when Kylo Ren is interrogating Rey and he takes off his helmet and she sort of makes a face like "oops he's hot." Really? I must have missed it. What movie got spoiled?
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mr.capps posted:I liked Hux. I want to mention that I like Hux because while Kylo Ren is getting a lot of deserved love, I feel like Hux was cool and I look forward to seeing more Hux. Hux was cool. Loved his Triumph of the Will speech. He threw in some Hitler pounds for good measure. Another nice detail was how the First Order administrator's hats resembled Kylo Ren's bat-like ship.
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Breakfast All Day posted:Doesn't that thread contain spoilers for VIII and IX too, though. wait does it because gently caress that I mean it will only be a couple months before I have to go dark on this dumbass thread again although it turns out all the speculative spoilers from like last year were all bullshit (the ones that I saw that werent spoilered that made me go gently caress this thread)
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Breakfast All Day posted:After reading a few pages, can't find an answer: what's the deal with the lightsaber [spoiler]that Rey finds being Anakin's/Luke's original? Wasn't that lost on Bespin? They brush it off in the film, but is there some sidestory/EU poo poo here? It was indeed lost on Bespin. Maz Kanata says the lightsaber coming in to her possession is a story for another time, or something to that effect, when Han asks her where she got it. Maybe there will be A Star Wars Story™ movie about it.
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hhhat posted:although it turns out all the speculative spoilers from like last year were all bullshit (the ones that I saw that werent spoilered that made me go gently caress this thread) I still think Rey's staff is an ancient Sith relic.
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Wait people are scared of baseless speculation for the next two movies because someone might accidentally be right? lol
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JJ sure loves messing around with usage of hyperspace. In Star Trek you had the whole "you can't beam aboard a ship moving at warp speed, it's never been done, it's too dangerous!!!!" thing, and this movie had TWO instances of he same kind of hyperspace fuckery, with Han first going to light speed from within the hangar of his space junker ship, and then again coming out of light speed right above the planet. More thoughts and nitpicks later when I'm not phone posting, but overall I loved it.
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Jonny_Rocket posted:- You'd think after two Death Stars having a weak point in the center that the First Order would learn from the Empire's mistakes, but here we are. To be fair it's this giant department store sized thing that can take a heavy bombing like no thing and even gets bombed out from the inside. It's not until that makes a hole and an X-wing flies in to tear poo poo up on the inside that it eventually goes up. Which is also usually guarded by a super-shield. If I'm going to be stuck with a weak point there isn't much more I could do to work with it.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I feel like they didn't do enough with him to really have an opinion but I like Domnhall Gleeson and think he's set up to be a potentially cool character. It would be nice to see more internal fighting between the Sith bros and the military officer bros than the kind of weak suggested way it was in ANH where the Sith bros clearly ran the show. I feel like he did more than Tarkin did in ANH. He reeled in Kylo Ren like Tarkin did, but also got to see him interact with Snoke, to which we never got Tarkin sending any reports to the Emperor.And I noted a few posts above (this thread moves fast), he got his big Nazi speech.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Wait people are scared of baseless speculation for the next two movies because someone might accidentally be right? lol That is how deep the spoiler psychosis goes, yes.
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OldSenileGuy posted:JJ sure loves messing around with usage of hyperspace. In Star Trek you had the whole "you can't beam aboard a ship moving at warp speed, it's never been done, it's too dangerous!!!!" thing, and this movie had TWO instances of he same kind of hyperspace fuckery, with Han first going to light speed from within the hangar of his space junker thing, and then again coming out of light speed right above the planet. Are you complaining about a movie not fitting the canon of a different unrelated movie
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I feel like they didn't do enough with him to really have an opinion but I like Domnhall Gleeson and think he's set up to be a potentially cool character. It would be nice to see more internal fighting between the Sith bros and the military officer bros than the kind of weak suggested way it was in ANH where the Sith bros clearly ran the show. I think they are setting up something really interesting with both Hux and Kylo Ren being pretty young when you compare them to Vader and Tarkin. I wonder if Hux is going to turn out to be a Tarkin fanboy.
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I hated the Nazi scene because I felt like someone was slapping me in the face saying DO YOU GET IT through the whole thing so I guess I'm not giving it enough credit. He delivered the speech well, I just hated the imagery.
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