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Nonsense posted:
yeah. but its great movie, best since empire. Grouchio posted:Didn't Johnson teach at a multiracial school? yeah he was. a school for Mexican migrant/imigrant children i believe.
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Grouchio posted:Didn't Johnson teach at a multiracial school? Yes, specifically he taught to disadvantaged latino children if I remember right.
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Mr Hootington posted:are you white and male? Lol are you drunk again
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Mitt Romney posted:$4b was actually a huge discount for the IP. Lucas thought it would be in better hands at Disney. It's thought of as easy money for Disney. For some reason I had thought it was $10B, which would still have been a bargain. Disney will make that money back ten-fold within the decade, especially after the new Star Wars areas open up at the parks.
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Zelder posted:Lol are you drunk again
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Malmesbury Monster posted:I know you've had some success organizing in your state, so I'm curious about your take on how to appeal to poor, rural whites. I live in West Virginia, so I've watched the rightward shift over the past 15 years and to be honest I'm really not sure what it would take to bring these folks back into the party. Democrats had pull with labor, but the coal is gone and the people are upset and afraid (and secretly racist as all gently caress, I learned after Obama was elected). I'm not sure what it will take to reach them. I think it has to be economics and services. I have spoken to way too many people who hate Obama, "the blacks", "the gays", "the illegals", and just "the animals" in general who are wholly pissed off about the crime, potholes, and unemployment, and willing to pull D as a result. And just as many union guys desperate for the Dems to do a new contract that the reps are opposed to, who vote R because of their guns outweighing their certainty that the Dems could keep them employed. You've got Matt Bevin now looking to copy Indiana's Medicaid system to "rollback Obamacare" but still take credit for it, same way Mike Pence has and Mitch McConnell framed it. How to get that message out is where, if I knew how, I'd already be running the show. I think it has to be in how we get people to view things overall, the big macro picture to understand that when they vote. But I don't know. Short term I'd say just drop a very large fully refundable tax credit available on the criteria that you voted. The split between donor class and voters would get strained if there were more voters and could help overall. It wouldn't punish you for not voting, as you'd be in the same place as you are now for not voting, but if you did you'd get a big chunk of change at the end of the year so if you are poor you'd be a fool not to cast a ballot
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Radbot posted:It's funny how black people say they care more about economic issues and jobs than any other political issue, but according to white forums posters, what they REALLY mean is that they care about antiracism and Black Lives Matter. I'm getting tired of people assuming that people posting here are one thing or another. I'm black, as are a number of posters in this thread, but there's no way for you to know it, so it's just best to judge people on their posts.
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Grouchio posted:Didn't Johnson teach at a multiracial school? Yeah, that's what I remembers as well. Like I'm not saying LBJ was 100% devoted to civil rights, but I do remember that because of his and his families background he had an enormous amount of sympathy for the black community which is why he passed both the civil rights act and the great society programs that benefitted poor blacks the most. I mean yeah, he called them n*****, but at the end of the day he is easily one of the the top 3 civil rights presidents.
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Shageletic posted:The hell? What does mass incarceration have to do with anything? I'm going to try to figure out what you're trying to say here. Pragmatism is a terrible metric for racial progress and people being pragmatic doesn't magically dispel their racist views. Shageletic posted:In fact, I think you're the one discounting the ability of the African American population to effect political change, which necessitates working with white dominated power centers. To just try to connect your point about mass incarceration to what we were discusing, here's what effective African American lobbying looks like. What kind of loving privileged little hole did you crawl out of at birth? Shageletic posted:"The black community will fight for its rights and racists will exist solely to entrench their own world views, and this is precisely what's wrong with the modern issue of race. People think you can legislate away their problems." It is exactly as I said it. Only a massive social and demographic change can end racism and how we view race in America. The government can't get cops to quit being racist.
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Zelder posted:Lol are you drunk again JT Jag posted:No, he's just dumb Not dumb. I am unenlightened.
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Radbot posted:Because minorities care more about economic issues than "minority issues" you condescending racist. 
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When Ta-Nehisi Coates was talking about a case for reparations, he was talking about the number of bad feels of white people towards black people and wasn't not monetary compensation in any form.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Pragmatism is a terrible metric for racial progress and people being pragmatic doesn't magically dispel their racist views. Doesn't matter, as long as they effect positive change, which they do because of outsized pressure from effective lobbying groups. Mass incarceration (again, I'm looping in a futile effort to try to link your spastic mention of it to what we were actually talking about) had bad consequences. But Democratic leaders as a whole speaking against it, and eventually rolling it back due to outsized pressure from lobbying groups would have good consequences, regardless of how the lawmaker "really feels". quote:What kind of loving privileged little hole did you crawl out of at birth? Haha, alright. quote:It is exactly as I said it. Only a massive social and demographic change can end racism and how we view race in America. The government can't get cops to quit being racist. So we should depend on something incredibly unlikely to happen, instead of small, definite, and positive steps that will begin to roll back the problem (like mandating police cameras for all police officers, creating a new section of the DOJ to oversee police shootings, etc)? You really are a stereotype.
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Shageletic posted:I'm getting tired of people assuming that people posting here are one thing or another. I'm black, as are a number of posters in this thread, but there's no way for you to know it, so it's just best to judge people on their posts. Black posters sound off
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The cameras thing is poo poo and Chicago proves they don't work. I had hoped it was a good stop gap measure. But they just turn them off. Don't service them. Police reform is a huge problem that does induce the political demand to radically change policing in this country. Edit: sorry added more.
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Nonsense posted:The cameras thing is poo poo and Chicago proves they don't work. Another good post/username combo. Other things Chicago proves doesn't work: Democracy Police investigations A right to a lawyer Pizza Mass Transit Public Housing Civic Government
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Warren is awesome http://www.vox.com/2015/12/18/10619588/wall-street-omnibus quote:Financial firm lobbyists are getting an earful from industry executives all over the country for failing to get much of anything into the omnibus (more on which from Zach Warmbrodt below). No big CFPB changes, no SIFI threshold changes, no DOL fiduciary rule slow-down. No nothing really. "We are hearing from some very disappointed and PO'd bankers," one lobbying group official emailed. Another in his DC office earlier this week: "We don't know what's in this thing but it doesn't look like good." The anger among bankers is understandable but the political reality is that slipping Wall Street (or even Main Street) banking riders into must-pass bills is a good way to kill those bills these days. The omnibus needs a hundred or so Democrats to get through the House and that just would not happen with any significant Dodd-Frank rollbacks.
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Trabisnikof posted:Another good post/username combo. I should of clarified a bit. It needed to be done. It also has flaws that make it not nearly a good enough thing to desire. It seems an issue worth being punitive with the police over, yet they'll pull a NYPD and treat any mayor who tries to reign them in as a police murderer.
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Trabisnikof posted:Another good post/username combo. You forgot posting.
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i hope this thread is around in 20 years so i can quote a bunch of these posts whining about how identity politics distract from the class war back at the people who wrote them after they go hard neocon in a fit of fussy pique against the unreasonable minorities
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Zelder posted:Black posters sound off Woop. Woop. Nonsense posted:The cameras thing is poo poo and Chicago proves they don't work. Fair enough. At least its part of a conversation, and if that doesn't work, then we can try to introduce other reforms. Personally, where the system tends to get mired is in the prosecutorial level. There needs to be state level prosecutors not directly linked with officers they presumably work with everyday, and whose purpose is to investigate police malfeasance, but that's only one idea. EDIT: Organizing is something I've participated in, and a lot of my friends and colleagues, and something pretty respected in the black community. I suppose I could be more irate about Cosmonauts comments, but they're so ridiculous that I can't quite muster it up.
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Nonsense posted:The cameras thing is poo poo and Chicago proves they don't work. They work at their intended purpose. Trabisnikof posted:Another good post/username combo. gently caress you. Our trains run on time in Chicago. Our pizza is loving awesome. Our hotdogs are great. We have amazing soul food. Stuff some hot italian beef with spiced au jus down your throat.
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Shageletic posted:Doesn't matter, as long as they effect positive change, which they do because of outsized pressure from effective lobbying groups. It never came from within the Democratic Party, and that was entirely my original argument. You're just being intellectually lazy. Shageletic posted:Mass incarceration (again, I'm looping in a futile effort to try to link your spastic mention of it to what we were actually talking about) had bad consequences. But Democratic leaders as a whole speaking against it, and eventually rolling it back due to outsized pressure from lobbying groups would have good consequences, regardless of how the lawmaker "really feels". Haha, no. Bill Clinton even today tries to add "I was just trying to be tough on crime" line at the end of every "I'm sorry for locking up millions of your people" apology he gives. People don't accidentally become racist or do racist things. Shageletic posted:So we should depend on something incredibly unlikely to happen, instead of small, definite, and positive steps that will begin to roll back the problem (like mandating police cameras for all police officers, creating a new section of the DOJ to oversee police shootings, etc)? Maybe the black community should stop counting on white people to help them. Most whites don't even comprehend why their racist views might be bad.
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well uh you see *fumbles with messenger bag full Socialist Worker papers* you see, a rising tide lifts all boats, and
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Maybe the black community should stop counting on white people to help them. Most whites don't even comprehend why their racist views might be bad. Maybe they should. Maybe they should flex their muscles and show their strength as a bloc, and maybe they can elect black candidates and maybe those candidates can work to Wait, no, you've already said that won't work because they'll be talking about "minority issues" and you can't win without getting poor white people support Nope, nope, guess it's over, the Democrats will never take black people seriously or do anything for black candidates
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:It never came from within the Democratic Party, and that was entirely my original argument. You're just being intellectually lazy. A lot of whites do not know they have racist views.
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Eschers Basement posted:Wait, no, you've already said that won't work because they'll be talking about "minority issues" and you can't win without getting poor white people support nope Dead Cosmonaut posted:Crab mentality and racism are huge things for poor whites in this country because if there's one thing they can't stand about being poor is the idea that blacks might make more money than them. If poor racist whites think blacks are going to get money they're not going to vote for any economic measures. This is precisely how the Republicans contained them.
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Meanwhile, the appointed Republican manager has actually physically hurt an entire generation of children in Flint, in an irreversible way that will forever limit their potential and have lifetime costs.
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Tim Cook is going to be on 60 Minutes this weekend. He swears that Apple pays all the taxes it owes and that the problem is actually that America's tax laws are from the "industrial age" and we need "digital age" tax laws instead. To say anything else is political garbage. What these digital laws are is not stated.
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Trabisnikof posted:Meanwhile, the appointed Republican manager has actually physically hurt an entire generation of children in Flint, in an irreversible way that will forever limit their potential and have lifetime costs. I still cannot believe Snyder has gotten away with everything he has, and is able to continue living comfortably and without worry about any legal ramifications.
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Nonsense posted:I still cannot believe Snyder has gotten away with everything he has, and is able to continue living comfortably and without worry about any legal ramifications.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Tim Cook is going to be on 60 Minutes this weekend. He swears that Apple pays all the taxes it owes and that the problem is actually that America's tax laws are from the "industrial age" and we need "digital age" tax laws instead. To say anything else is political garbage. What these digital laws are is not stated. Tim Cook approves weird designs for his products, this makes him a bad guy, not his rampant hard on for the enslavement of foreigners, I am a fair-minded tech politics wonk.
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all this idiot hand-wringing about class war reminds me of the democrats attitude after the 2004 election where the popular consensus was that well we just didnt explain ourselves to the insane rear end in a top hat demographic well enough!, completely ignoring the idea that you are never, ever, ever going to get the vote of someone who believes that whites are the most oppressed group in the modern united state.
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As if we couldn't get enough Islamophobia this week, an employee of California's Department of Corrections was caught on camera attacking someone at a Muslim prayer service. She was charged with battery and committing a hate crime yesterday.quote:Rasheed Albeshari, 31, and his friends were playing volleyball and praying at the park — a Sunday ritual for the three friends. And it's just going to get worse and worse.
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Rygar201 posted:Yeah, gently caress that guy. Seems like that email leaves out some important details as to why the access was revoked.
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