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Vintersorg posted:So is Max Von Sydow going to have a bigger role? Seemed a waste to cast such a huge name. He died.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Are the first order guys actually nazis in their ideology though, or are they just borrowing Triumph Of The Will imagery to make them look bad? That speech was great, and the climax of the anti-Prequels revisionism. "Down with the Republic! Down with the Senate!" they might as well have added "And down with one annoying Gungan in particular!"
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Vintersorg posted:So is Max Von Sydow going to have a bigger role? Seemed a waste to cast such a huge name. I really, really doubt it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:He died. Oh yah  I thought it would be some weird force ghost thing later on.
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This reminded me a lot of Trek 09. It's a pseudo-reboot designed to technically maintain the old continuity but clear out a lot of the cruft and make way for new characters, with a borrowed plot that mostly just hits the basic notes from an earlier entry in the series and exists as a framework for making the transition happen rather than being captivating in and of itself. Now that the new continuity is set up, hopefully their attempt to tell a story in it doesn't go as disastrously as Into Darkness did.Alec Eiffel posted:There's a thread in CineD that is devoted to Star Wars spoilers, so why are people surprised that FYAD would post Star Wars spoilers? Seems like that thread shouldn't have been made in the first place. It's not surprising that FYAD continues to act like an edgy 14 year old on 4chan, but it'd still be nice if they'd at least try to make their trolling funny.
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Thoughts on Rey's origins: I was thinking that Luke took Rey and left her on Jakku, but I've just been reminded of some other clues that got me thinking. Maz tells Rey that the people who left her on Jakku are never coming back, but someone else might—and Rey immediately jumps to "Luke." Also, the flashback shows younger Rey getting left with the junk dealer, who's not the kindly surrogate parent type. So I don't think it was Luke who put her there. When Kylo hears that a girl on Jakku has been spotted with BB-8, he rages. He has already jumped to the conclusion that Rey found the droid, which makes me think that not only did Kylo know of Rey before, he knew that she was on Jakku. So I suspect it was Kylo who took Rey when he attacked Luke's new academy. Even though he hates what Rey represents, he can't bring himself to kill someone in the exalted Skywalker bloodline. He abandons her on some godforsaken backwater instead.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:First Order is ISIS That would have been so much cooler if they had ISIS inspired imagery and costumes. drat.
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It's a pretty good Star Wars movie, I guess, but I'm still not sure if it's actually a good movie on its own. Probably yes. It was fun. I was entertained. I did have a problem with one thing: I really think it was a mistake to see Snoke. We first see him at a point in the movie where the pace was letting up after the initial action, and Snoke's introduction just totally fell flat for me. I didn't really think the CG was good (even though I figured it was probably a hologram and not a 90 foot tall alien). Basically, save seeing Snoke for ep 8, and let the bad guys talk to a shadowy figure whom we can't really see, so as to keep the whole thing "real" for now On that, I didn't like the little alien barkeep woman. Another case of really not that great CG. Also kind of a dumb character.... Who the heck leaves THE FABLED LUKE SKYWALKER'S PERSONAL LIGHTSABER laying around in the store room where any drunk patron could stumble across it?? Dumb. Also, lol, some say Skywalker is staring at Rey hold out his lightsaber to him from 20 feet away to this very day. E: one more gripe. Apparently any old GI Joe can pick up a lightsaber and not be immediately murdered by a sith who presumably had training? I know Finn is a soldier, but c'mon. Also, being untrained with a lightsaber in a battle vs stormtroopers is not a great place to be. The guy that fought him with the sparkly bar thing could've just shot him. Even Luke, a Jedi, need training to deflect blaster bolts. It's not like I'm mad about it, but still. I did appreciate that the characters repeated their names to each other: "Who are you? I'm Finn. Hi Finn, I'm Rey. Hi Rey." etc. I need that as a guy who has trouble understanding movie dialog occasionally and hates not knowing the characters names. No problem with that here. mr. mephistopheles posted:That would have been so much cooler if they had ISIS inspired imagery and costumes. No way, I loved the 70s-Death Star-inspired Starkiller interiors. Those rounded vertical light panels! Ah! Love it. Factor Mystic fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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I know a lot of people have said they're disappointed by the music, but I really like Rey's theme.
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I was thinking Snoke might be a Wizard of Oz case where when you go see him in person he doesn't look the same at all, like he could actually be a human or something else. Though this might just be wishful thinking so that I don't have to put up with a skinny Thanos creature for the rest of the movies. 
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Zoran posted:Thoughts on Rey's origins: I like it. It also fits with his efforts to turn her rather than kill her. There has to be more to him doing that than just because she has Force powers considering he wiped out the rest of the Force users. I mean maybe he tried to convert them first or maybe he finally feels ready to kill Snoke and take his own apprentice, but I feel like the Star Wars universe is too convenient for there not to be a bigger reason. turtlecrunch posted:I was thinking Snoke might be a Wizard of Oz case where when you go see him in person he doesn't look the same at all, like he could actually be a human or something else. I bet he looks like that but is actually like two feet tall and has crazy strong Force powers. Sith Yoda.
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Diabolik900 posted:I know a lot of people have said they're disappointed by the music, but I really like Rey's theme. After listening to the OST album I LOVE Rey's theme, Scavenger, Kylo's Arrival, and the reintroduction of Rey's theme in the finale. Factor Mystic posted:
It was in a locked room which unlocked itself because of ~The Force~ mr. mephistopheles posted:I bet he looks like that but is actually like two feet tall and has crazy strong Force powers. Sith Yoda. 100% this WeAreTheRomans fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Good to see this silly narrative is still going strong: http://www.vox.com/2015/12/18/10561492/star-wars-conspiracy-theories quote:3) George Lucas created the special editions and prequels to prove to his ex-wife that he was the real genius behind Star Wars, not her Note: The only scenes George cut out that Marcia edited were the ones with Luke and his friends on Tatooine that everyone seems to universally agree are bad. And that was obviously for the original release, not the Special Edition. And LOL at "Believability: 6/10" for such a blatantly nonsensical conspiracy theory. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Dec 18, 2015 22:42
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WeAreTheRomans posted:It was in a locked room which unlocked itself because of ~The Force~ If this is what happened it was pretty unclear and also that's still pretty dumb, sorry.
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Factor Mystic posted:If this is what happened it was pretty unclear and also that's still pretty dumb, sorry. It was, it was totally clear, and I'm sorry I guess?
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Cnut the Great posted:Good to see this silly narrative is still going strong: Whoa, that whole article is nottheonion.txt
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Zoran posted:Thoughts on Rey's origins: I don't think it takes that much to set Kylo off. My take was that he was just super frustrated after one more complication; he's got a stormtrooper traitor, he's lost the droid and now some random girl is getting involved. I can practically hear him thinking "Vader didn't have to put up with this poo poo, it's not fair!"
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I bet he looks like that but is actually like two feet tall and has crazy strong Force powers. Sith Yoda.
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There are some folks asking about 3D, and I just want to lend my two cents: I say SKIP IT, go with 2D. The movie was darkened and really affected scenes set in space, at night, most indoor scenes... hell pretty much any scene not set in the scorching daylight of the desert. I felt like I missed a lot of details, but worse is I'm not even sure if I missed details (for instance, I could have sworn in the lightsaber fight people were getting limbs chopped off left and right, but I guess not? Or else these characters have limb-regenerating abilities, I don't have any idea what the hell happened during that lightsaber-enduced hallucination scene, I think the planets-blowing up scene was even more confusing to me than most here and even worse than possibly missing plot details, during indoor Star Destroyer scenes I almost felt more like I was watching an Alien movie than a Star Wars one. In fact, I have a hard time even recalling certain scenes visually and generally feel like I saw the movie through a thick fog. It could have been my theater not doing their job and properly brightening the screen (this was by far my worst 3D experience), but if you're concerned I say don't take the chance. It absolutely affected my enjoyment of the movie and I'm even contemplating giving the movie another shot in 2D partly because the main reason I found the movie disappointing - it didn't "feel" like a Star Wars movie to me - hasn't been echoed by literally anyone else I've heard from who saw it elsewhere. The couple nifty 3D bits - the opening crawl and a "Star Destroyer poking out of the screen" moment that had some folks reaching up to try to touch it - aren't enough to make it worth it, IMO.
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josh04 posted:Own up, which one of you wrote this. I got to "as any good student of Mao knows,"
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Factor Mystic posted:E: one more gripe. Apparently any old GI Joe can pick up a lightsaber and not be immediately murdered by a sith who presumably had training? I like just recently posted about people like you blowing my mind. [spoiler]They made a point to show that Ren was severly injured from his bowcaster hit. They even focused on his bleeding and he kept on having to hit himself to keep himself in the fight.
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The Dave posted:I like just recently posted about people like you blowing my mind. They made a point to show that Ren was severly injured from his bowcaster hit. They even focused on his bleeding and he kept on having to hit himself to keep himself in the fight. And yet, it didn't seem to actually stop him from doing his thing. No real sense that he was impaired. No apparent loss of strength.
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jesus cristo, spoiler tags are not that difficult to use
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Also it's clearly shown that the new Stormtroopers have Melee training as shown when that Stormtrooper gets in melee combat with Finn, which was like in the Trailer.
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Kurzon posted:That would be a bad idea because then everyone would laugh at the character for his Napoleon complex. Remember Lord Farquaad? I already have an image of this towering yet sickly figure rising from his throne to ignite a BFS. Prepare to die.
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My hot take on the 2D vs. 3D question: if you normally like seeing movies in 3D, see this in 3D. If you don't, then you should just see it in 2D.
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Factor Mystic posted:And yet, it didn't seem to actually stop him from doing his thing. No real sense that he was impaired. No apparent loss of strength. Bro, he just got shot in the gut by a weapon repeatedly shown to blow people across the room, is bleeding everywhere, is kind of hobbling and regularly making pained noises, what do you want? Do you need him to announce his current power level like he's a DBZ character or what?
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Dexo posted:Also it's clearly shown that the new Stormtroopers have Melee training as shown when that Stormtrooper gets in melee combat with Finn, which was like in the Trailer. I mean, it's a god drat sword just because you haven't picked one up before (which both character have been shown/implied to use melee weapons extensively) doesn't mean you're going to immediately lob your hand off. Or be unable to block some angry, hurting dweeblord a few times. If anything you can whine about Rey's incredible aim for never having used a blaster before.
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Factor Mystic posted:And yet, it didn't seem to actually stop him from doing his thing. No real sense that he was impaired. No apparent loss of strength. Your original complaint was him being stopped from doing his thing.
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the most disappointing thing about abrams (and this new generation of sci-fi screen writers in general) is that he's so self-aware that we won't get another 'these are not the droids you're looking for'
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Factor Mystic posted:And yet, it didn't seem to actually stop him from doing his thing. No real sense that he was impaired. No apparent loss of strength. Did you not see the pained expression on his face? The guy looked terrible throughout the whole duel. Come on now.
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lizardman posted:There are some folks asking about 3D, and I just want to lend my two cents: I say SKIP IT, go with 2D. The movie was darkened and really affected scenes set in space, at night, most indoor scenes... hell pretty much any scene not set in the scorching daylight of the desert. I felt like I missed a lot of details, but worse is I'm not even sure if I missed details (for instance, I could have sworn in the lightsaber fight people were getting limbs chopped off left and right, but I guess not? Or else these characters have limb-regenerating abilities, I don't have any idea what the hell happened during that lightsaber-enduced hallucination scene, I think the planets-blowing up scene was even more confusing to me than most here and even worse than possibly missing plot details, during indoor Star Destroyer scenes I almost felt more like I was watching an Alien movie than a Star Wars one. In fact, I have a hard time even recalling certain scenes visually and generally feel like I saw the movie through a thick fog. I don't know what terrible theater you saw it in but you must have some poo poo projectionist. That is not at all the experience I had in IMAX 3D.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I really enjoyed the cinematography in this. The shallow depth of field shots on real sets vs. just 100% "everything in focus" with the prequels was amazing. Practical sets really made a difference. I sat down about ten minutes before the start time in my own mostly empty row... And then both sides of me were filled by the same combination: a mom and two kids under the age of five. I grimaced, but the kids were great, the moms were huge fans, and it was cool to look over occasionally and see a little kid watching his or her first Star Wars movie on the big screen. None of them flipped out even though there are some intense scenes. After the prequels, and all of the animated crap, and what Star Wars has become... I was apprehensive but I laughed, I cried, and can't wait to see it again. As many have pointed out, there's way too much in this film to digest it in just one viewing.
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The prequels used mostly practical sets.
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Bongo Bill posted:The prequels used mostly practical sets. The one that blows my mind most is that the ethereal Kamino throne room was a miniature.
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Bongo Bill posted:The prequels used mostly practical sets. So who do we blame for them mostly looking like poo poo? The DP? or George? Both? ILM?
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benito posted:After the prequels, and all of the animated crap, and what Star Wars has become... Tartovsky whatchamacallit was fun enough. Clone wars eventually got to decent so it's worth a glance on Netflix. Rebels is actually great. Worth the bux on Amazon imo
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