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Crowsbeak posted:Explain to us why we should continue to have such a high wealth gap. Be clear, and stop poo poo posting. Bernie Sanders would do nothing more than Hillary Clinton to fix that, friend.
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Shifty Pony posted:Welp!  How do you climb to the top of national politics when you will frivolously alienate people like this at the drop of a hat?
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Dec 19, 2015 02:08
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Kilroy posted:Ugh, okay so I guess I have to take back what I said earlier about the Clinton campaign Who's that alienating? I mean besides the crooks?
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Dec 19, 2015 02:10
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well this wont end well. i guess the worst that can happen is the dems lose a bunch of hipsters. I'm assuming that most of the people that are really fired up about this weren't going to vote when
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Kaal posted:I don't see why the Sanders campaign would need to be punished, it was clearly the mistake of a specific individual, and they've fired him. As far as I'm concerned the DNC has exactly the right approach here: The Sanders campaign can regain access as soon as it can show that it no longer has any misbegotten data. A slap on the wrist to be sure, but that's all that it required. We're all friends here after all, in spite of the opinions of a few folks who seem to want to go to war with each other just like the Republicans have been. News reports say 4 people accessed data. Only one has been fired. The audit posted above is from the Deputy Director's logs, who still is employed. If the patch has been breached then I do think access should be restored, but I can also see a justifiable reason for still holding back based on the Deputy Director is still employed.
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ReidRansom posted:The breach was Wednesday. Four days data lost with only ~50 left until the NH primary is quite the body blow.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:12
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You can't alienate the Sanders campaign! You will be insulting the Sanders supporters! They'll vote GOP out of spite!
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Dec 19, 2015 02:15
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fishmech posted:Bernie Sanders would do nothing more than Hillary Clinton to fix that, friend. Hey all he does is straw man and pretend to be a reasonable libertarian. I actually wouldn't be so pissed about this if DWS wasn't such a incompetent cheerleader for Hillary. I know Sanders doesn't have much of a chance but I would like the DNC to not to be set on making this a coronation.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:16
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Logikv9 posted:You can't alienate the Sanders campaign! You will be insulting the Sanders supporters! They'll vote GOP out of spite! Or they just don't vote and Bevin becomes governor of Kentucky. What were we talking about again?
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Dec 19, 2015 02:17
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theblackw0lf posted:News reports say 4 people accessed data. Only one has been fired. The audit posted above is from the Deputy Director's logs, who still is employed. If the patch has been breached then I do think access should be restored, but I can also see a justifiable reason for still holding back based on the Deputy Director is still employed. Sure, four people accessed the data, and they probably should have known better. But really the only person I'm interested in punishing is the leader who told them to do that and definitely should have known better. I don't want subordinates to be punished for doing what they're told to do, unless it involves truly criminal behavior.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:18
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fishmech posted:Who's that alienating? I mean besides the crooks? Potential voters who don't like your smug loving attitude. e: not you you, him you
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Dec 19, 2015 02:19
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Kaal posted:I don't see why the Sanders campaign would need to be punished, it was clearly the mistake of a specific individual, and they've fired him. As far as I'm concerned the DNC has exactly the right approach here: The Sanders campaign can regain access as soon as it can show that it no longer has any misbegotten data. A slap on the wrist to be sure, but that's all that it required. We're all friends here after all, in spite of the opinions of a few folks who seem to want to go to war with each other just like the Republicans have been. As of a few hours ago the Sanders campaign was refusing to participate in any independent audits from the DNC or the Clinton campaign. They are essentially saying we already took care of it trust us, and give us back our stuff. Considering how fast that stuff got shared in the logs I wouldn't be surprised if it's all over the place in USB drives and etc by now.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:19
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Kilroy posted:How do you climb to the top of national politics when you will frivolously alienate people like this at the drop of a hat? Agreed, and I don't know. That guy needs to shut his loving mouth.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:21
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Mitt Romney posted:As of a few hours ago the Sanders campaign was refusing to participate in any independent audits from the DNC or the Clinton campaign. They are essentially saying we already took care of it trust us, and give us back our stuff. Neither the Clinton campaign nor the DNC should conduct the audit though. That's hardly independent. Who would be a good body to go to for an independent audit?
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Dec 19, 2015 02:22
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Kaal posted:Agreed, and I don't know. That guy needs to shut his loving mouth. Considering that's the only post I've seen from him on that, it's possible the Clinton higher-ups told him to do just that.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:24
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I'm glad Hillary found an independent third party to viciously attack a candidate she is already soundly beating. It certainly would be weird if she herself was accusing people of doing shady electronic things after her whole email fiasco. Also: Democrats: the party of not knowing how technology works apparently!!
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Dec 19, 2015 02:25
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Mitt Romney posted:As of a few hours ago the Sanders campaign was refusing to participate in any independent audits from the DNC or the Clinton campaign. They are essentially saying we already took care of it trust us, and give us back our stuff. Considering how fast that stuff got shared in the logs I wouldn't be surprised if it's all over the place in USB drives and etc by now. Interesting, well that's certainly guilty behavior. It's unfortunate because it really wouldn't make a lick of difference in the grand scheme of things, and it's not like Sanders would ever condone this sort of behavior. It's entirely down to campaign staffers getting their personal egos involved.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:26
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SirKibbles posted:Dean delivered the Presidency and several governers in states Dems haven't won in years and that wasn't good enough,but Debbie cost Dems the house until at least 2020 with her lovely as GOTV efforts. Why is she not gone yet? The gently caress? But nah, better put in someone from the worst state in the Union, so she can use that position to right every perceived wrong ever done to her ever ever, while losing election after election. fishmech posted:Who's that alienating? I mean besides the crooks?
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theblackw0lf posted:Considering that's the only post I've seen from him on that, it's possible the Clinton higher-ups told him to do just that. He's still tweeting about it, just not quite as dickishly. But still somewhat dickishly.
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To really drive home how bad the DNC (and apparently Hilary's press secartary are loving up) Hilary was already dominating she loses nothing by just washing her hands of this. Bernie is not going to win. It does 2 things though 1) Regardless of the actual facts a lot of Debbie is shilling for Hillary is really starting to spread. Hillary is already viewed as shady (the wall 9/11 poo poo during the last debate and her immediately getting busted on it did not help that) This will push this narrative and as we saw with Perry and Newt when they attacked Romney on Bain Capital that poo poo sticks 2) Bernie is basically a test on both Socialism and groups being able to work within the Democratic party. Now you might say these groups are naive childish whatever the point being that this was a change to get a bit of the 50% of that population in the US that literally never votes and it's imploding. Also you kinda need Bernie to sorta pull Hillary left (again as seen by her wall street 9/11 comments) if Bernie flames out too quickly she's going to start going rightward (whether or not this makes her an rear end I don't really care the point is it's just good politics) and the left in the Democratic party continues to be irrelevant because if centrists can still pull elections there's no reason to shift.
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ReidRansom posted:He's still tweeting about it, just not quite as dickishly. I mean. He's not wrong.
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Kilroy posted:
I just don't see how that quip on the crooks is going to alienate anyone who was actually going to vote in the general. Yeah it'll be an excuse some of them give but if it hadn't happened they'd be doing other poo poo like "dur but she was on wal-mart's board in arkansas" or "no war but class war".
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SirKibbles posted:To really drive home how bad the DNC (and apparently Hilary's press secartary are loving up) Hilary was already dominating she loses nothing by just washing her hands of this. Bernie is not going to win. It does 2 things though Source your quotes
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I do hope Hillary has some minor secretary position in mind for DWS after being elected '46 so that that incompetent idiot no longer heads the DNC.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:32
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fishmech posted:I just don't see how that quip on the crooks is going to alienate anyone who was actually going to vote in the general. Yeah it'll be an excuse some of them give but if it hadn't happened they'd be doing other poo poo like "dur but she was on wal-mart's board in arkansas" or "no war but class war". Antagonizing people who are basically on kind of the same team instead of trying to convince them to vote for you is loving stupid. Like Hillary.
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Logikv9 posted:You can't alienate the Sanders campaign! You will be insulting the Sanders supporters! They'll vote GOP out of spite! I mean you've got Bernie supporters saying that Hillary is worse than Republicans. They're wrong, they're irrational, and some of them are just loving babies, but if they vote for Hillary in the general I don't give a poo poo, and neither should you. The point is that there is no upside. There is no one on the fence about voting for Hillary, in either the primaries nor in the general, who is going to decide to support her because of the way her campaign is reacting to this. She's not winning a single extra vote by doing this, and generally when you're trying to succeed at a thing, you only do things that make success more likely, not less. Kalman posted:I mean.
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ReidRansom posted:Antagonizing people who are basically on kind of the same team instead of trying to convince them to vote for you is loving stupid. Like Hillary. If they were so willing to vote for her when Sanders quits they probably would have just reported the bug instead of trying to take advantage of it. That's what people who were convinceable would do. Kilroy posted:No they just won't vote, why is this hard to understand? There is absolutely no downside either, because no person on earth is dumb enough for a loving tweet in December 2015 to still leave them pissy in November 2016.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:38
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SirKibbles posted:To really drive home how bad the DNC (and apparently Hilary's press secartary are loving up) Hilary was already dominating she loses nothing by just washing her hands of this. Bernie is not going to win. It does 2 things though Look, Hillary is already the perfect leftist candidate and really Sanders is a racist right wing nutjob
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ReidRansom posted:Antagonizing people who are basically on kind of the same team instead of trying to convince them to vote for you is loving stupid. Like Hillary. Yeah like we can make fun of insane Bernie supporters because we're random assholes on a dying comedy forum but uhhh if your like a press secretary for a major candidate who is already kicking the poo poo out of a candidate and you'll eventually need these people to help you win the general maybe not do that?
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SirKibbles posted:Yeah like we can make fun of insane Bernie supporters because we're random assholes on a dying comedy forum but uhhh if your like a press secretary for a major candidate who is already kicking the poo poo out of a candidate and you'll eventually need these people to help you win the general maybe not do that? I think the Clinton campaign is probably a bit irritated at the reaction to the DNC decision as well as the great reaction by the Sanders campaign in the afternoon to turn it into a huge rallying cry. Right now the Sanders campaign should be curled up into a tiny ball crying but instead they're riding high. The longer the DNC holds out the better for the Sanders campaign and the worse for the Democratic party and the 2016 chances. David Axelrod: https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/677999836961050624 quote:The disproportionate @dnc reaction actually got @BernieSanders crew off the hook for their own stupidity. Not helpful to @HillaryClinton. quote:If I were @HillaryClinton, I'd would have much preferred to see @BernieSanders campaign stew in its own juices.
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fishmech posted:There is absolutely no downside either, because no person on earth is dumb enough for a loving tweet in December 2015 to still leave them pissy in November 2016.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:42
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Kilroy posted:Yes plenty of people on planet Earth will do exactly that. Maybe you can count on your hands and feet, the number of people who will cite one particular tweet as a reason not to vote for Hillary in the general, but "I don't like how she ratfucked Bernie over esoteric GOTV stuff" will definitely turn a lot of people off, and so far the response from the Clinton campaign has been to mostly play into exactly that narrative. Agreed and what's concerning to me is that Clinton and her past campaigns have shown a great ability to be tone deaf and unable to read obvious political winds. Mostly because she surrounds herself with loyalists and yes-men instead of the best people for the job.
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Kilroy posted:Yes plenty of people on planet Earth will do exactly that. Maybe you can count on your hands and feet, the number of people who will cite one particular tweet as a reason not to vote for Hillary in the general, but "I don't like how she ratfucked Bernie over esoteric GOTV stuff" will definitely turn a lot of people off, and so far the response from the Clinton campaign has been to mostly play into exactly that narrative. Bernie got ratfucked by his own team being crooks, not by Hillary Clinton.
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Joementum posted:Yup, a sanction of some sort is in order, but the DNC directing the vendor to breech the contract and then having DWS go on CNN to spin on this is just total incompetence. Not really. Hillary will be the nominee and she feels as if she's been violated right now. What better way to please Hillary for DWS than to sanction Sanders' campaign?
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SirKibbles posted:Yeah like we can make fun of insane Bernie supporters because we're random assholes on a dying comedy forum but uhhh if your like a press secretary for a major candidate who is already kicking the poo poo out of a candidate and you'll eventually need these people to help you win the general maybe not do that? Yeah, really the classy thing to do is jut be magnanimous in victory and not rub poo poo in. Be above that. In public at least. Mitt Romney posted:I think the Clinton campaign is probably a bit irritated at the reaction to the DNC decision as well as the great reaction by the Sanders campaign in the afternoon to turn it into a huge rallying cry. Irritated or not, that's not really the way to show it.
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Mitt Romney posted:As of a few hours ago the Sanders campaign was refusing to participate in any independent audits from the DNC or the Clinton campaign. They are essentially saying we already took care of it trust us, and give us back our stuff. How can we trust Sanders' rhetoric on Wallstreet malfeasance, if he says the same processes that Wallstreet undertakes to clear itself of wrongdoing are good enough for his campaign?
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I wouldn't say Hillary is worse than Republicans - she just doesn't have the ideological strength to write history on the stage the neocons have set (I have doubts about Bernie here, too). The only diamond in the rough is that President Trump could get Israel under nuclear arms controls.
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Kilroy posted:Yes plenty of people on planet Earth will do exactly that. Maybe you can count on your hands and feet, the number of people who will cite one particular tweet as a reason not to vote for Hillary in the general, but "I don't like how she ratfucked Bernie over esoteric GOTV stuff" will definitely turn a lot of people off, and so far the response from the Clinton campaign has been to mostly play into exactly that narrative. It's also not helpful to the Clinton campaign because she was always going to win the nomination and this just turns it into a #DemsInDisarray story for media that could be spending time covering the clusterfuck that is the Republican nomination. That was the whole point of getting Debbie to schedule the debates on Saturdays: so that nobody would be paying attention to the Democratic campaigns and now she's gone and hosed that all up.
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McDowell posted:I wouldn't say Hillary is worse than Republicans - she just doesn't have the ideological strength to write history on the stage the neocons have set (I have doubts about Bernie here, too). The only diamond in the rough is that President Trump could get Israel under nuclear arms controls. i dont think hillary eats enough ergot to do anything within the parameters of neoconservatism
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Joementum posted:It's also not helpful to the Clinton campaign because she was always going to win the nomination and this just turns it into a #DemsInDisarray story for media that could be spending time covering the clusterfuck that is the Republican nomination. Oh poo poo the debates are tomorrow? Goddamn it no eh it'll be entertaining at least. I think fate is trying to gently caress with Democrats San Bernadino happens right before the last debate and now this. Reince Priebus called in his fair folk friends I guess. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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