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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:Am I weird for liking the Kylo Ren character? Thought the mix of vulnerability/craziness was pretty engaging but seems like he's being dismissed as too whiny by the majority. no your not at all. he is a good villian and interesting one. better then what i thought he would be like.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats the thing. you shouldnt try. if you try just making another vader, it will be redundant and people will think its dumb. Renn is interesting because while he cosplays as vader, he has none of the "skills" and he has pre delimbed vaders personality maginified by 1000. I like that he seems a little sniveling and is not all powerful even though he wants to be like Vader. I liked the idea of being tempted by the light side, as well. I cringed when I saw that there was yet another Death Star but I did enjoy that quick meeting around the Starkiller Base plans where they are almost tongue in cheek with their ability to predict what needs to be done to defeat it. A bit of a nod, a bit of an acknowledgement that it was derivative, but not corny.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I like that he seems a little sniveling and is not all powerful even though he wants to be like Vader. I liked the idea of being tempted by the light side, as well. yeah its weird. they almost have a guardians of the galaxy attitude about it.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:30
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Snoke and Ren aren't referred to as Darth anything so it's a mystery about the whole sith thing anymore.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:31
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I just read that Phasma has been confirmed to return in Episode VIII, which is nice, because she seemed really cool.
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So whats the relationship between the republic and the resistance and why are they seperate entities? They didn't go much into space politics but, what are the space politics these days?
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One point in favor of Rey being Kylo's twin is she clearly has Leia's superior accuracy.
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Philosopher King posted:So whats the relationship between the republic and the resistance and why are they seperate entities? They didn't go much into space politics but, what are the space politics these days? Resistance was a terrorist organization funded or supported by the republic who was nominally at peace with the first order.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:38
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gohmak posted:I wish they never answered how Poe got out alive. "What happened? How did you make it out?" "Oh, that's a story for another time."
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Dec 19, 2015 04:39
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euphronius posted:No you are not weird for liking a charismatic and likable villain. I thought he was cool but charismatic and likable aren't really words I would ever use to describe the character.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:39
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Megasabin posted:Given that one of the central strengths of Luke's personality in the original trilogy was his relationship with his friends (to the point the emperor calls it his fault), it's going to be interesting seeing him deal with the consequences of abandoning them. By going into exile he essentially let the empire regrow, and wasn't there to prevent his best friends death. Exactly like Yoda did... he could have wrecked poo poo up and down and been a massive help to the rebels Vehementi fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 04:44
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I still hope Rey's parents aren't anyone we know, as her being Luke or Leia's offspring would be pretty predictable and lame.
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Frackie Robinson posted:I still hope Rey's parents aren't anyone we know, as her being Luke or Leia's offspring would be pretty predictable and lame. Think it was pretty clear she was Leia and Hans daughter but who knows.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:52
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I think a point that needs to be hammered home is how loving wrong Kenobi and Yoda were in the OT. This one seems to be the same thing though with them leaving him with Luke to train and Luke leaving Rey. Like Jedi are terrible at raising kids and everyone makes awful mistakes in regards to their children.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:55
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I'd like it Rey was just some random peasant and not another part of this long lasting Skywalker dynasty. For all we know, she was recognized as a force sensitive as a child and that's why she remembers Luke's island.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:59
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euphronius posted:Think it was pretty clear she was Leia and Hans daughter but who knows. If she is, Han certainly didn't know it
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Rd d2 wakes up when she lands though. Meh. She's gonna be related.
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Frackie Robinson posted:If she is, Han certainly didn't know it She could have been just pregnant when they divorced or broke up .
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Dec 19, 2015 05:01
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euphronius posted:Think it was pretty clear she was Leia and Hans daughter but who knows. I thought that's where they were going, but in retrospect it seems like misdirection. And didn't she sleep with an old Rebel pilot helmet on? Seems like that was her keepsake from her parents.
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euphronius posted:She could have been just pregnant when they divorced or broke up . Yeah, though it's also worth noting that if the flashback we see is Rey when she was separated from her parents, that she would have been old enough to remember them.
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:Am I weird for liking the Kylo Ren character? Thought the mix of vulnerability/craziness was pretty engaging but seems like he's being dismissed as too whiny by the majority. No, he does a great job, and he has impossibly big shoes to fill since Darth Vader is perhaps the most iconic movie villain, Hannibal Lecter is the only one that comes close. I actually like how they tackled the villain having to live in Vader's shadow head on in the movie.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I thought that's where they were going, but in retrospect it seems like misdirection. And didn't she sleep with an old Rebel pilot helmet on? Seems like that was her keepsake from her parents. Could have just been some of the remnants of the same space battle that resulted in all the other crashed ships on the planet.
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Fix posted:Could have just been some of the remnants of the same space battle that resulted in all the other crashed ships on the planet. Battle of Jakku. There's even X-Wing wreckage in the movie. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Jakku
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euphronius posted:Think it was pretty clear she was Leia and Hans daughter but who knows. I thought the opposite, that she clearly isn't their daughter. Seems like they are setting her up to be Luke's daughter, why would Han and Leia raise one kid (who they send off to Luke) and abandon the other? Kylo knows Han and Leia are his parents, why keep it a secret from Rey and leave her on a planet? Kylo is also clearly surprised at how strong she is in the force, which he would not be if he knew she was his sister or Luke's daughter.
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I figured the New Republic would probably not be eager to continue having much of a Star War, though I would be surprised if they went back to Old Republic levels of "not having any military poo poo around." At the same time everyone probably just wants to rebuild and try to make up for all their dead relations and blown up planets. Is the First Order actually the Empire, or is there some zone where Moffs are having grey meetings and thinking the First Order are the weird extremists?
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Vader interrogated Leia and had no idea.
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Do you think Leia would have her long lost daughter show up on her doorstep by a miraculous series of events and still not come clean to her? That just seems unreasonably callous of her, especially when she was just expressing regret about sending Ben/Kylo away.
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Dec 19, 2015 05:24
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euphronius posted:Vader interrogated Leia and had no idea. Vader thought his kids were dead. She's Luke's daughter. Like, there's so much evidence. But even if she isn't, I'd be down with that. They probably left it somewhat open so they could gauge audience reactions to the idea.
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euphronius posted:Vader interrogated Leia and had no idea. Absolutely, but Luke, Leia and Vader were all related and didn't know it, which is in stark contrast to Leia, Han and Kylo who are painfully aware that they are a broken family. I just don't see how she could be their daughter and have it make any sense,.
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Iron Tusk posted:In the novelization he has some more dialog where he mentions that he's old enough to have seen the Empire rise and fall. Now that's interesting. I'm warming to the idea
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I like that he seems a little sniveling and is not all powerful even though he wants to be like Vader. I liked the idea of being tempted by the light side, as well. He kinda seems like what a dark side Luke would have been, he's got that level of whininess. I also liked that he's clearly overcompensating for something, as he's not nearly as powerful and talented as he'd like to think, and he's got his lovely lightsaber that's jury-rigged to have the little laser hilts to look tough. quote:I cringed when I saw that there was yet another Death Star but I did enjoy that quick meeting around the Starkiller Base plans where they are almost tongue in cheek with their ability to predict what needs to be done to defeat it. A bit of a nod, a bit of an acknowledgement that it was derivative, but not corny. Hey, it's different. This time it actually was a moon! euphronius posted:Snoke and Ren aren't referred to as Darth anything so it's a mystery about the whole sith thing anymore. To be fair, the Sith thing was never really that clear. It just mostly seems to be shorthand for "dark side Jedi." raditts fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Mandrel posted:so there's no way Snoke isn't darth plagueis right? Wise, all powerful Munn sith lord who happens to look identical to the apparently still-canon appearance of Plagueis, his musical theme is nearly identical to the piece that plays in the opera in III when Palpatine is telling Anakin about him. Snoke turning out to be Plagueis would be greeted by a giant shrug by like 95% of the audience, I don't think they're going to center the mystery of the main big bad around something that obscure, and especially around something from the prequels. I think one way or another Snoke's existence is going to be at least partially attributable to Luke loving up somewhere along the way. General Dog fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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I really liked that nobody did any of that cliche mistrust stuff with Finn. When he tells them they mostly seem to think "yeah that sounds perfectly reasonable, welcome aboard."
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I think Snokes turning out to be the degenerating clone body of the Emperor wouldn't be that terrible.
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Aphrodite posted:I really liked that nobody did any of that cliche mistrust stuff with Finn. Yeah, and I'm glad that when he revealed himself to them, they weren't like "You lying bastard", but were more like "Okay, but you should still help".
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Beefstew posted:Yeah, and I'm glad that when he revealed himself to them, they weren't like "You lying bastard", but were more like "Okay, but you should still help". Or how Han knew immediately and found it amusing he was lying about it.
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Hollismason posted:I think Snokes turning out to be the degenerating clone body of the Emperor wouldn't be that terrible. I guess, but why doesn't he look or sound anything like Palpatine? If he's a lovely clone he could just as easily be a lovely clone of Anakin or Obi-Wan or Luke. I don't think the twist with Snoke is going to be who he is so much as it's going to be what he wants and why he wants it. At least I hope that's the case.
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raditts posted:To be fair, the Sith thing was never really that clear. It just mostly seems to be shorthand for "dark side Jedi." When did the word Sith first appear? I'm pretty sure it is never spoken in any of the OT movies, though it may have been in the original screenplay. I think I remember one of the radio dramas from the 80s calling Vader a "dark lord of the Sith". Randarkman fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Randarkman posted:When did the word Sith first appear? I'm pretty sure it is never spoken in any of the OT movies, though it may have been in the original screenplay. I think I remember one of the radio dramas from the 80s calling Vader a "dark lord of the Sith". I know it was used in the EU before The Phantom Menace, but beyond that, I'm not sure.
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