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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I can confirm Islamophobia is getting bad even in sleepy suburban Ohio. Just the other day driving home, I saw two police cars flashing their sirens and five news crew vans surrounding an empty black SUV. Apparently, one of the local cops scanned the plates and found out it belonged to a guy on the terrorist watch list, so everyone of course is freaking out.
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FAUXTON posted:They tried that poo poo with the circuit court judge (? - not 100% sure what level but I think it was 9th Circuit) in Perry but with "he a gay" instead of "he a Muslim." The district court judge that held the original trial on the Prop 8 case retired shortly thereafter and revealed his long-time male partner in his retirement statements. Apparently nobody really noticed? In any event on appeal they tried to say that he should have recused himself for being gay, but it's a longstanding principle in American law that a judge does not need to recuse themselves from a case that potentially impacts their rights as a private citizen in general (as opposed to, say, owning stock in a company or potentially benefiting from a ruling financially, which would affect their standing in particular).
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Dec 19, 2015 18:17
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Shifty Pony posted:Eh maybe it is regional. Around here I've only ever seen Paulites, that Impeach Obama campaign, Infowars types, and Open Carry advocates doing it. Could be; I've seen it a couple times, but only in the summer because even the most fervent activists don't want to stand on a bridge in January in -10 F temps for hours in Minnesota. Pretty sure I saw one for T-Paw when Dayton was running for governor here too.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:20
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Yeah I have to admit that I am very disappointed in both Sanders and his campaign. He's throwing away a lot of credibility over nothing.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:21
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I agree, I don't think Sanders himself had anything to do with it. This reflects badly on a few of his employees, not him or his beliefs. They're his people, and he chose them. It reflects badly on his judgement. I only half feel that way but that's how it's going to be perceived.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:24
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McAlister posted:Sorry for back posting but I noticed an interesting pattern of verbiage in the sanders data theft kerfuffel and I just got a campaign email from Bernie this morning and the two together are itching at me.  that they pulled dirty tricks on us to stop our ascent!While the language is harmful, the fallout will be contained amongst only the most fervent of Bernie fans in the long run. Also just repeating, Bernie has awful taste in campaign staff. It's almost so bad you could use it as a con against a Bernie Presidency.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:24
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I want to know how the modern economy works, because Applefans have done nothing but jack off Tim Cook for talking about wanting a 'tax code for the 'new' digital economy'. The United States should send marines to Ireland to collect Apple's money.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:26
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Solkanar512 posted:That poo poo doesn't help Clinton win, and it doesn't help down ticket Dems either. They should have kept this poo poo inhouse. This was an unforced error for the party at large, I agree it should have been kept in house because it's harming all left wing candidates everywhere. Bernie should have fired the data director, deputy data director, and the other two staffers then reported the malfeasance instead of waiting to be discovered, cooperated with the audit, and not filed a ridiculous high profile lawsuit while emailing out the email I just received in which he doubles down on lies that have already been caught red handed. But that ship has sailed. The mental gymnastics it takes to blame this on Clinton are fascinating though. That you are doing it while trying to argue that outreach toward you is a useful application of energy is even more fascinating. You are demonstrating in the same posts that you assign all that is bad in the world to Clinton and all that is good to Bernie such that when Bernie does a bad thing it's Clinton's fault! How can outreach bear fruit when the people we would reach out to aren't engaging in good faith?
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Dec 19, 2015 18:27
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Zelder posted:I'm sure that this was a devastating death blow of snark in your head, and not a big neon indicator that you don't understand how first past the post works FAUXTON posted:I thought it was him thinking Trump wasn't one of those "mean old Republicans" since he's never 
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Isn't the Holy War poo poo supposed to be quarantined to Election Erection?
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Dec 19, 2015 18:30
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T. Bombastus posted:I grew up in Newtown, and the only surprising thing about that story is that it doesn't happen more often. If anything, it seems like Islamophobia is more likely to take root in a "sleepy" (white, so white) suburb-- those two guys were probably the first people of Middle Eastern descent the cops had seen in months.  It doesn't help that the local police force way outstrip the size of the town. They are kitted out with shiny new futurecop cars and have police cars patrolling every other block for speeding. If you looked up speed trap in the dictionary, Newtown would be pictured along with the definition. They are very zealous in enforcement.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:34
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Rygar201 posted:Isn't the Holy War poo poo supposed to be quarantined to Election Erection? It's a legitimate news story, I think if it turned out Jeb! was trying to steal from Trump we would be discussing it here.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:34
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Cugel the Clever posted:Yeah, because telling people they have to vote against a bad candidate rather than for a good candidate will get people to the polls. This kind of smug thinking is exactly why Democrats are doing terribly all over the country. I don't know how things are where you are, but I've seen a dearth of enthusiasm everywhere the Clinton campaign is present in my state. Felt sorry for the couple of grandmothers they wrangled into babysitting a table covered in Clinton memorabilia at the local State Fair. Poor gals only had a handful of visitors all day. I'm just saying, getting mad at the two party system is the most basic, nineteen year old who just woke up and KNOWS THINGS MAN, whiny observation you can possibly make. Sorry that the system generally trends towards picking the less bad of two bad options, but that's the design Yeah, you, the person reading this post, should vote Democrat, even if it's Hillary! Only terrible things will follow if the republicans control the three branches of government
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Dec 19, 2015 18:36
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computer parts posted:It's a legitimate news story, I think if it turned out Jeb! was trying to steal from Trump we would be laughing our asses off over it here.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:40
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Logikv9 posted:Also just repeating, Bernie has awful taste in campaign staff. It's almost so bad you could use it as a con against a Bernie Presidency. Are we talking Mark Penn levels of bad here?
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Dec 19, 2015 18:44
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I guess I should've been clearer: I also think the Datagate whatever scandal ultimately lands on Sanders. Even if he didn't personally orchestrate the data breach, it happened under his watch so the buck stops with him.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:Are we talking Mark Penn levels of bad here? Well they did have a national data director who apparently didn't realize a database full of data worth hundreds of million of dollars would have detailed access logs.
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Dec 19, 2015 18:51
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Nonsense posted:I want to know how the modern economy works, because Applefans have done nothing but jack off Tim Cook for talking about wanting a 'tax code for the 'new' digital economy'. The modern economy is this: gently caress you, got mine. Pillage society to feed the rich under a shroud of 'disruption'. The 'new tech economy' or 'shared economy' is the same old Libertopia bullshit that's been foisted before: make working class and middle class laborers more precarious and unstable financially to extract more wealth to provide for the uppermost crust of society. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 18:53
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I think the price of that data is a little inflated
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Dec 19, 2015 18:55
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McAlister posted:But that ship has sailed. The mental gymnastics it takes to blame this on Clinton are fascinating though. That you are doing it while trying to argue that outreach toward you is a useful application of energy is even more fascinating. You are demonstrating in the same posts that you assign all that is bad in the world to Clinton and all that is good to Bernie such that when Bernie does a bad thing it's Clinton's fault! I agree. With that email (which can be passed around and used as fodder in far right circles), this has gone from just bad to excruciatingly stupid and bad. Sanders et al are treating this as (ridiculously) a personal attack on them by the DNC instead of just tidily recognizing and correcting a mistake vis a vis a staffer's shady overreach. Sanders would have to be a loving idiot/insane to go anywhere near this tirefire in the debate tonight, let alone use it as a line of attack based on feelings of persecution. But I have a feeling it'll be brought up (ie how can you be Oresident if you can't keep a rein over your highest levels of staff?) anyway so we will have to see I guess. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Are we talking Mark Penn levels of bad here? Not even close. Mark Penn is the worst and that's really saying something considering some of the other monsters the Clintons have unleashed on the country (lol Dick Morris). Somebody earlier in the thread already said that Hillary locked up the top tier Democratic campaign staff really early so Bernie was left the dregs. He also doesn't really have any connections within the party itself so I'm always constantly surprised that anybody with a modicum of sense ever thought this primary was going to go any other way.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Between this and the Redditbern comment about carrying signs of "Who is John Galt?", there's a weird Libertarian vein in his base. Remember Bernie used to be the Liberty Union candidate. The kwizatch haderach of American politics must harmonize libertarianism and socialism. greatn posted:I think the price of that data is a little inflated Hillary is doing a great job reminding us she is a candidate for the MPAA and the RIAA
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Dec 19, 2015 19:23
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McDowell posted:Remember Bernie used to be the Liberty Union candidate. Liberty Union has nothing to do with Libertarianism. It's straight-up Marxist.
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The real investigation into the DNC's communications and emails to Clinton's staffers will be the nail in the coffin on her POTUS bid.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:28
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smg77 posted:Not even close. Mark Penn is the worst Y'all remember those awful scroogled ads Microsoft came out with? Those were mark penn's creation
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Gail Wynand posted:The real investigation into the DNC's communications and emails to Clinton's staffers will be the nail in the coffin on her POTUS bid. "Clinton.... E-mails... " *click*
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Dec 19, 2015 19:33
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Zelder posted:I'm just saying, getting mad at the two party system is the most basic, nineteen year old who just woke up and KNOWS THINGS MAN, whiny observation you can possibly make. Sorry that the system generally trends towards picking the less bad of two bad options, but that's the design He's not wrong, though, in saying that what Hillary is offering is a poo poo sandwich amidst a platter of poo poo-AIDS a la flambé footlongs. He's not crying about the system in that post particularly, just acknowledging Clinton is a hold-your-nose candidate, which is the truth.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:37
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If Bernie is Yoda, then Jeff Weaver is Mace Windu! He sure knows how to harness the dark side for the greater good. After today, everyone knows not to gently caress with Jeff Weaver!!!
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Dec 19, 2015 19:38
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Reminder that OG Bill Clinton popularized Triangularization ie move Dems to the right policy wise to try and capture more votes. Today's Democrats are basically yesteryear's Republicans.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:41
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I think the bigger, uncovered story here is that Bernie has top-notch topiary work at his condo.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:42
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Dec 19, 2015 19:44
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greatn posted:I think the price of that data is a little inflated Probably not. I could easily see the cost of developing, setting up, loading and maintaining a massive database at $100M. Most of the cost would be sunk into extracting from the old data sources, with each one requiring some level of custom development, then having to deal with the data quality issues that come from using dozens of amateur systems as sources would be another nightmare.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:46
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Xae posted:Probably not. Well estimating the cost for this sort of thing is pretty tricky, but I could easily see the phone-banking data collection efforts of the Clinton 2016 campaign alone being worth tens of millions. And certainly the overall DNC system with its decades of information and national infrastructure would be worth hundreds of millions.
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Dec 19, 2015 19:55
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Xae posted:Probably not. Yeah but he didn't steal the infrastructure and dbas, he peeked and probably exported some volunteer gathered data which in the end was probably mostly redundant with his own.
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Dec 19, 2015 20:00
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greatn posted:Yeah but he didn't steal the infrastructure and dbas, he peeked and probably exported some volunteer gathered data which in the end was probably mostly redundant with his own. So it's worthless because he only stole the part that was tactically useful for running an election?
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Dec 19, 2015 20:02
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Reminder that OG Bill Clinton popularized Triangularization ie move Dems to the right policy wise to try and capture more votes. Except the latter still hated black people.
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I'm the guy speculating baselessly to negate any wrongdoing by anyone in the Sanders campaign V fair enough Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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I really don't think it's possible to assign a value to the data in way that's going to be fair or non-idiotic.
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smg77 posted:Not even close. Mark Penn is the worst and that's really saying something considering some of the other monsters the Clintons have unleashed on the country (lol Dick Morris). I think that the bold part has to, at least in part, be due to people's (and the media's) love of character stories that involve people succeeding because of who they are "deep down" rather than who they know or their skills. So a politician who has spent decades building party loyalty and learning to play the politics game (organizing, identifying and recruiting the best staff, etc) is always going to look like a tempting target when compared to a seemingly principled truth talker. Couple that with Hillary representing the centrist part of the Democratic Party that the left wing isn't particularly fond of and you get a recipe for rooting for the under dog.
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