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StarMinstrel posted:Where I'm at a lost is when I keep receiving the argument that:"others have tried it and after a year and half their migraine went away! She was a sceptic like you before but after trying for a year her migraines that she had forever went away!" A year and a half is a very long time to see no improvement and physical changes over time is something that happens. I used to have headaches regularly until I didn't anymore. Thing is, you can convince yourself that anything caused it to happen - I stopped eating gluten! I prayed to God! I only eat organic! Without concrete evidence it can be whatever you want it to be and if you wait long enough while doing [thing] your problem might just happen to go away.
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QuarkJets posted:You can always tell if it's a scam by whether they tell you "those other doctors just want to sell you pills". Of course these "doctors" just want you to get better, they'd never charge you for a service that you don't need! This is really what it comes down to for nearly all of the poo poo in this thread. Big bad industry X is only there to deceive you and steal your money! It's all lies! Now if you'll just buy this book and our alternative product that costs twice as much you'll see much better results!
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So how come this thread isn't talking about the self-appointed ~tribunal against monsanto ecocide~ thing that's trying to be relevant by pretending it's real and in the general vicinity of Cop21? (intentionally linking to a lovely popsci "news" site instead of the tribunal website, no need to give them page views). tl;dr: some OMG GMO panickers and people generally angry at something got together and are having a pretend international court where Monsanto gets "sued" (apparently without any defense whatsoever) for crimes against ecosystems, plants, people, and granola. People get confused and think Monsanto is actually getting sued in a real court. Oh and an actual sustainability project just posted this:  
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:So how come this thread isn't talking about the self-appointed ~tribunal against monsanto ecocide~ thing that's trying to be relevant by pretending it's real and in the general vicinity of Cop21? (intentionally linking to a lovely popsci "news" site instead of the tribunal website, no need to give them page views). We have actually all been bought up by Big Organic. Expect your permaban shortly, infidel. Yeah, I actually have been thinking of posting about this but I've been traveling. I know a couple of sustainability folks who are promoting this """tribunal""", it's sad as they're otherwise good, intelligent people; still all anti-GMO and other such cliches.
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So I went to their site but there's nothing there except some babble about evil monsanto and a list of dudes who put their names there. Oh and a couple of videos. I clicked to random part and there was a fat dude saying that Monsanto was responsible for climate change. For some reason I just find this funny  Join Them ...
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blowfish posted:Oh and an actual sustainability project just posted this: Haha, yeah the valuable romanian farming system. The only thing valuable to come out of romania is political drama. I'm Romanian btw and that statement fits for me.
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Terebus posted:Haha, yeah the valuable romanian farming system. The only thing valuable to come out of romania is political drama. I'm Romanian btw and that statement fits for me. Well there was a bit of oil way back when things were really good.
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Anyone catch this? Apparently the Vice President of a Mexican pro-biotech organization was the victim of a parcel bomb attack. Article is in Spanish and I'm trying to find more about it elsewhere. http://eleconomista.com.mx/industrias/2015/12/08/alianza-protransgenicos-denuncia-ataques
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fishmech posted:Buddy if you think an osteopath is working great for you, what you really want is a massage parlor. (This isn't to you anosoman) For the record, this is true in every country but the US. In the US, DOs go through the same accreditation as MDs and are held to the exact same standards as MDs. They tend to be what you'd call a "generalist", meaning they focus on overall health and would refer you to a specialist for acute conditions. Many DOs even practice out of hospitals or group practices with MDs. In the US, the fake skeleton doctors are called Chiropractors.
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Nah, osteopaths believe in a slightly different sort of spine-cracking: "myofascial continuity" vs " subluxation". The US is just weird in that osteopaths also learn how to be actual doctors. A lot of them don't actually do any significant amount of osteopathy.
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Dilb posted:Nah, osteopaths believe in a slightly different sort of spine-cracking: "myofascial continuity" vs " subluxation". The US is just weird in that osteopaths also learn how to be actual doctors. A lot of them don't actually do any significant amount of osteopathy. Most don't 'believe' it, they just went to DO school because they want to focus on primary care or their MCATs weren't that hot. Most faculty there doesn't beleive in it either.
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Terebus posted:Haha, yeah the valuable romanian farming system. The only thing valuable to come out of romania is political drama. I'm Romanian btw and that statement fits for me. If it's anything like traditional farming systems I've studied it's land extensive and/or time intensive, produces lower yields than modern agriculture, is ultimately unsustainable and the moment people stop maintaining the agricultural landscape it will fall apart causing local environmental damage, especially erosion. So yeah, bring those GMOs and modern methods in, it's likely an improvement.
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KiteAuraan posted:If it's anything like traditional farming systems I've studied it's land extensive and/or time intensive, produces lower yields than modern agriculture, is ultimately unsustainable and the moment people stop maintaining the agricultural landscape it will fall apart causing local environmental damage, especially erosion. So yeah, bring those GMOs and modern methods in, it's likely an improvement. 1.) Yes 2.) Any argument that keeping the landscape exactly as it is by turning it into an open air zoo is invalid when the goal is to make everyone zookeepers. And that's exactly the case given the people talking about conserving rural Eastern Europe tend to view local organic farming locally with local people on local farms locally (have I said local enough times?) as a goal in and of itself because it leads to a more ~connected~ society where everyone knows everyone and everyone's cow. Just look at their little leaflets telling the local population that Big Foreign Agriculture will take away their freedoms, lead to a failed multicultural society, and rob their grandmas.In other news, a dumb thing happened. (  and is now smugging about his great victory (after being trounced in the general election) on facebook.
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blowfish posted:In other news, a dumb thing happened. ( I loving hate arxiv. DISS NOTE (using this for search indexing) - use this specific citation to arxiv case as an example of harms of non-peer review systems.
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Discendo Vox posted:I loving hate arxiv. DISS NOTE (using this for search indexing) - use this specific citation to arxiv case as an example of harms of non-peer review systems. Of course, there's always 
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Discendo Vox posted:I loving hate arxiv. DISS NOTE (using this for search indexing) - use this specific citation to arxiv case as an example of harms of non-peer review systems. If assessment were entirely decoupled from publication, then people would not be able to use the mere existence of a paper they can cite as support for their points, and by greatly devaluing or eliminating pre-publication peer review (by three or fewer people) you incentivize and add value to post-publication review (by a community).
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blowfish posted:Of course, there's always Dissertation, I assume.
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The Larch posted:Dissertation, I assume. D'oh. I need sleep. I read that and parsed it as a citation manager tool or something.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:If assessment were entirely decoupled from publication, then people would not be able to use the mere existence of a paper they can cite as support for their points, and by greatly devaluing or eliminating pre-publication peer review (by three or fewer people) you incentivize and add value to post-publication review (by a community). I have different purposes for peer review in mind, and I think that post-publication review, especially by a "community", is a poor substitute. Nah, fuckit. Peer review is a poor metric for research quality, it's true- and problems of publication and significance bias mean that almost everything ought to be published. However, pre-publication peer review is necessary as a means of improving the communication of research- of ensuring that research acknowledges and states its elements and limitations. post-publication systems are a poor way of doing that, and instead introduce and maximize social forces and standards that operate beyond scientific scrutiny. Whether it's scientists or redditors, putting something up for everyone to comment on in a highly transparent system is really a way of ensuring that popular, exciting, obscurantist dreck gets greater visibility. Hence Taleb's ongoing success. It's a situation strongly analogous to the drive for more direct democratic legal systems. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Hence Taleb's ongoing success. If you listen to what Taleb says outside of even semi-scientific channels, he also likes taking on the role of a guru who secretes wisdom for his followers to lap up, and he also likes his personal echo chamber where anyone who criticises anything he says or anyone he quotes gets shut out.
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Had a job interview for a regulatory affairs position at one of the big six yesterday. Possibly joining the dark side. 
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Discendo Vox posted:Whether it's scientists or redditors, putting something up for everyone to comment on in a highly transparent system is really a way of ensuring that popular, exciting, obscurantist dreck gets greater visibility. That is fair, but I'm not clear on how this is all that different from the present prestige journal system, though. I support open-access preprints for these reasons: - The peer review process is slow, ineffective, and expensive and massively limits data sharing. - It provides access to people outside a tiny academic community. - The prestige journal system is inappropriately used to judge the quality of the work. I do understand the need that some people have to sort into tiers so they can assess a work without reading it. If we absolutely need a ranking system, then I at least want a ranking system that better reflects the quality of the work than the current editorial process. We're regularly getting garbage published in Science, let alone smaller journals, but as long as the paper isn't retracted, it's always going to be a gold star on a CV. - Massive publishing groups should be destroyed with malice. I believe preprints advance all of these goals. I understand the concerns, but I'm willing to make that trade and work to solve the new problems. You've thought about this a lot, though; do you have alternate solutions to these issues? [edit] A force behind my opinions is that I have a paper in a major journal that represents five years of effort. I strongly believe it should have been two (or even three) papers, but the perverse incentives of having a big-name journal on your CV led us to hold on to data for far longer than I believe was necessary to turn it into a "complete" story with a flashier narrative arc. Also, take a look at the recent tardigrade genome papers as evidence for how a preprint server can advance scientific communication and debate. BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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McGavin posted:Had a job interview for a regulatory affairs position at one of the big six yesterday. Possibly joining the dark side. Big six as in oil and gas? I've got a lot of friends in energy and they're all thoroughly miserable. I like to ask them what their proudest moment was at work, and then I giggle to myself as they struggle to think of whatever crappy little project they last did. I actually learned this interviewing with Exxon. One guy said his proudest moment was his defense team work for Exxon-Valdez. I actually couldn't physically hold in my displeasure at that point and consequently didn't get the job. Totally toxic place, from wellhead to office to atmosphere. But good luck! Buy a nice latex mattress.
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Mofabio posted:Big six as in oil and gas? Probably the big 6 pesticide and GMO companies, of which Monsanto is one.
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Anosmoman posted:Probably the big 6 pesticide and GMO companies, of which Monsanto is one. I know some people online that work for the Big M and all of them have good things to say, even over private messaging. I've become friends with a few and they enjoy the atmosphere.
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Mitchicon posted:I know some people online that work for the Big M and all of them have good things to say, even over private messaging. I've become friends with a few and they enjoy the atmosphere. Of course they would, what with the complimentary blood of orphans offered as refreshments 
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Anosmoman posted:Probably the big 6 pesticide and GMO companies, of which Monsanto is one. Yeah, I'd be one of the people organizing the submissions to get new pesticides and GMOs approved by regulators. I hear that the complimentary orphan blood is just barely enough to prevent the stain on your soul.
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McGavin posted:Yeah, I'd be one of the people organizing the submissions to get new pesticides and GMOs approved by regulators. I hear that the complimentary orphan blood is just barely enough to prevent the stain on your soul. Keep us adviced - we're expecting prompt resolution of the world hunger issue.
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McGavin posted:Yeah, I'd be one of the people organizing the submissions to get new pesticides and GMOs approved by regulators. I hear that the complimentary orphan blood is just barely enough to prevent the stain on your soul. Genuine advice- be guarded about sharing information about your job on social media. Ecoterrorists are out there, and they still do occasionally do things like carbombs.
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Mofabio posted:Big six as in oil and gas? In any industry where opsec is taken seriously, that is a very poor metric by which to judge someone's job. Did you ever stop to think that maybe your friend was trying to think of an example that he was allowed to talk about?
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Discendo Vox posted:Genuine advice- be guarded about sharing information about your job on social media. Ecoterrorists are out there, and they still do occasionally do things like carbombs. Yeah, I'll worry about that more when I actually have the job, not when I am applicant #13,956. Besides, there has only been one case of environmental terrorism ever in my country, and even then there are much better targets than yours truly, considering I don't drive because it's bad for the environment  .
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QuarkJets posted:In any industry where opsec is taken seriously, that is a very poor metric by which to judge someone's job. Did you ever stop to think that maybe your friend was trying to think of an example that he was allowed to talk about? It's not just one person, the Exxon-Valdez guy wasn't my friend, and "my proudest opsec-approved moment of the last 20 years is helping my company avoid paying for their disaster" is less pathetic in the sense that walking outside wearing only mittens is less revealing than wearing nothing.
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Mofabio posted:It's not just one person, the Exxon-Valdez guy wasn't my friend, and "my proudest opsec-approved moment of the last 20 years is helping my company avoid paying for their disaster" is less pathetic in the sense that walking outside wearing only mittens is less revealing than wearing nothing. I don't think that you're seeing the point. Most people aren't asked to talk about their proudest moment at work, so most people don't have canned answers to that question in the first place. Add on top of that a lingering concern of possibly getting fired after talking about the wrong thing. Are you really surprised to see hesitation in that situation? "What can I say that will satisfy my friend's interest without getting me in trouble" is a common question in a variety of workplaces
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McGavin posted:Yeah, I'll worry about that more when I actually have the job, not when I am applicant #13,956. Besides, there has only been one case of environmental terrorism ever in my country, and even then there are much better targets than yours truly, considering I don't drive because it's bad for the environment Yeah, if you're not in the US and don't have the jorb yet then don't worry about it-I misunderstood. Bear in mind that some European countries actually have pretty active environmental terrorism problems, but that attacks aren't always reported. Moose, I'm not ignoring your request, but it's going to take me some time to get everything together.
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QuarkJets posted:I don't think that you're seeing the point. Most people aren't asked to talk about their proudest moment at work, so most people don't have canned answers to that question in the first place. Add on top of that a lingering concern of possibly getting fired after talking about the wrong thing. Are you really surprised to see hesitation in that situation? "What can I say that will satisfy my friend's interest without getting me in trouble" is a common question in a variety of workplaces Um, I was actually in that situation: there was no hesitation, he was extremely proud of being on the legal defense research team for loving Exxon-Valdez. My oil friends talk about their excel macros and pipeline software optimizations in excruciating detail. I have not experienced any of the hesitation you're describing, just them struggling to come up with literally anything interesting about working in oil and gas. And, hold up, have you actually asked your boss your common question? I can't imagine asking my boss for acceptable stories to tell my friends about work.
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Mofabio posted:Um, I was actually in that situation: there was no hesitation, he was extremely proud of being on the legal defense research team for loving Exxon-Valdez. My oil friends talk about their excel macros and pipeline software optimizations in excruciating detail. I have not experienced any of the hesitation you're describing, just them struggling to come up with literally anything interesting about working in oil and gas. Guy really has been with the company for over 23 years and really had nothing more exciting to talk about? Exxon-Valdez was long enough ago it makes me feel old for remembering it.
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