War in the Pacific Day by Day - Imperial Edition

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lenoon: Jan 7, 2010

I was wondering Grey, did you ever feel there was a turning point in the last WitP? Some point when you thought "ok this is going my way from now on"?

I'm rereading the original LP on the archive, and it seems like the Battles for Rabaul and when you mauled the carriers at Truk are the first sustained high points of the campaign - from there you just keep getting more powerful.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 17:57

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# ? May 17, 2024 17:14

Grey Hunter: Oct 17, 2007; Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Our subs continue to hunt around Pearl Harbor.

I reinforce the beachhead at Kuantan.

I get the men ashore, but pay for it.

A rare naval strike by Chinese planes. I ignore most air war over China, as not much happens.

This is a dangerous stretch of sea.

We absolutely annihilate the Chinese forces on the road to Changsha. We take thousands of prisoners and are now able to march forwards at will. The city will be well defended, but troops are starting to move up.

Units are being destroyed at Hong Kong, the end is nigh.

We take Pakoi without a fight. Six Walruses are destroyed. I am assured these are planes, not animals.

Oh thank god.

The Ryujo Actually does something!

Its always the Vildebeests.

That makes me feel a little better.

Because I may just have learned something from last time, more troops are landed at Lingyen. Amazing I know, it almost like I have a plan and am not winging it!

We gain another 179 points, the speed of the invasion is speeding up.

Invasions can be costly.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 18:36

Theantero: Nov 6, 2011; ...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....

Can somebody who is good at this game tell me if Grey is losing less, more or way more ships than he should at this point of the war.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 18:47

Adventure Pigeon: Nov 8, 2005; I am a master storyteller.

Theantero posted:

Can somebody who is good at this game tell me if Grey is losing less, more or way more ships than he should at this point of the war.

It's about par for course. The big thing to look out for are entire troop convoys being wiped out or cruisers/carriers/battleships being lost.

Edit: Tankers/Oilers/Particularly large troop carriers also hurt.

# ? Dec 18, 2015 19:01

Realbarrow: Dec 5, 2013

To paraphrase a classic from the Allied thread:

code:

HANZO TROTS TO ANVIL GG 
FROM CINCCOMBFLT ACTION COM SECOND FLEET INFO COMINCH FIRST AIR FLEET X WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS KIDO BUTAI 
RR THE WORLD WONDERS

(mods - I am referencing this famous WW2 message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_world_wonders )

# ? Dec 18, 2015 20:51

Grumio: Sep 20, 2001; in culina est

So, Hong Kong as an early Christmas present?

# ? Dec 19, 2015 03:11

Grey Hunter: Oct 17, 2007; Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Take that.

These sub commanders are getting cocky.

This one is doomed. Although she might be close enough to Pearl to make it.

drat, that's a lot of them....

At least they are only using bombs. That's a good thing, right?

Argh! Its one of those days again!

The forts are the only thing keeping them in the fight here.

While I applaud a 100% strike rate, it might be overkill.

Another ship dies in the afternoon.

Another unmanned island falls.

Again, we are held in check by fortifications.

We hit the Hong Kong airfeild.

drat Vildebeests and Swordfish � Biplanes are dangerous!

We even lose a ship to a mine � in one of our own ports!

Bad days tend to get worse.

# ? Dec 19, 2015 22:20

Ikasuhito: Sep 29, 2013; Haram as Fuck.

Grey Hunter posted:

Bad days tend to get worse.

drat, and the Tennessee was one of the hardest ones hit.

# ? Dec 19, 2015 22:41

Generation Internet: Jan 18, 2009; Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Ikasuhito posted:

drat, and the Tennessee was one of the hardest ones hit.

It doesn't matter, it's going to be out for months for repairs and the US will seek terms within a year anyways. We'll sweep all remnants of decadent Western colonialism from the Pacific!

# ? Dec 19, 2015 23:01

Veloxyll: May 3, 2011; Fuck you say?!

Now we find out if the Japanese can put out fires on a cruiser.

Biplanes are doing work

# ? Dec 19, 2015 23:11

acidia: Oct 31, 2012

Ya, we got this in the bag!

Is it just me or does it really seem like the allies are giving as good as they get in the opening of the war, Peal Harbor excluded? I may just be spoiled from watching the alternate scenarios that give the Japanese a lot more kick in the early war.

# ? Dec 19, 2015 23:18

Thanatz: Nov 4, 2010

Was the Vildebeest this scary in actual history?

# ? Dec 19, 2015 23:40

Saint Celestine: Dec 17, 2008; Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.
- Saint Sabbat, Lessons; Grimey Drawer

Thanatz posted:

Was the Vildebeest this scary in actual history?

No of course not. Its a biplane dating back to the early 30s.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:00

Galaga Galaxian: Apr 23, 2009; What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!

Don't disrespect biplane torpedo bombers. Ask the Bismarck about Swordfishes. :colbert:

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:01

Slippery42: Nov 10, 2011

Stringbags aren't scary when fighter cover exists in any form. Moving up some Zeroes, Oscars, or even Nates to cover unloading fleets would shut that problem down very quickly. From a logistics standpoint, the Allies have a very limited number of replacements for those airframes (swordfish, especially), and I don't recall them having an upgrade path either. Once you shoot a few dozen down, they're as good as gone for good. Then your fleets anywhere that US carriers aren't become pretty safe for a while, unless the Allied AI knows how to abuse low-altitude naval bombing with two-engine bombers.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:14

Ikasuhito: Sep 29, 2013; Haram as Fuck.

This raises a good point, where is our fighter support? Over the past few days I think I've seen no more than a handful of Zeros take to the skies in our defense.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:28

The Sandman: Jun 23, 2013; Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!

Ikasuhito posted:

This raises a good point, where is our fighter support? Over the past few days I think I've seen no more than a handful of Zeros take to the skies in our defense.

That�s because the commanders wanted Zero support and got what they asked for.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:45

Veloxyll: May 3, 2011; Fuck you say?!

Obviously, the only air wings in the area are Army.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 00:47

Rexim: Jun 2, 2006; I wants flies in on a dragons, okay?

Grey Hunter posted:

'Ground losses.' Did that Sub shell the port itself? If so that's cool.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 03:58

Gnoman: Feb 12, 2014; Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme

Rexim posted:

'Ground losses.' Did that Sub shell the port itself? If so that's cool.

No. The freighter being torpedoed is a troop transport, and the torpedoes and shells fired by the sub killed and wounded some of the passengers.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 04:02

CannonFodder: Jan 26, 2001; Passion’s Wrench

Veloxyll posted:

Obviously, the only air wings in the area are Army.

The Navy should use their own resources to defend their assets, it makes perfect logical sense.

Nevermind that the IJN ships are transporting IJA troops. Ships must be defended by naval assets.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 05:48

i81icu812: Dec 5, 2006

CannonFodder posted:

The Navy should use their own resources to defend their assets, it makes perfect logical sense.

Nevermind that the IJN ships are transporting IJA troops. Ships must be defended by naval assets.

The IJN is clearly incapable of safely transporting IJA troops. The IJA must requisition troop transports and escorts under IJA command posthaste to ensure that the invasion timetable continues on schedule!

# ? Dec 20, 2015 06:39

BurningStone: Jun 3, 2011

How hard is it for Japan to steamroll to an auto-win? Can the AI put up credible resistance these days? Part of me would be sad if this ended in "only" a year.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 07:20

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

BurningStone posted:

How hard is it for Japan to steamroll to an auto-win? Can the AI put up credible resistance these days? Part of me would be sad if this ended in "only" a year.

From what I understand it takes a WiTP master to auto-win as the Japanese, and it is a grind the entire way. And Grey is no WiTP master. He, like any non-master who plays as the Japanese, will either lose the war or run out the clock for a time victory.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 07:35

ants on my cum rag: Sep 2, 2011; "Oh God you got the spray gun, DO NOT LOSE IT, you seriously better not screw this up, I'm not kidding"
~~The Battle Hymn of the Contra Tiger Mother~~

Any ships left? I want to claim one. My first choice though would be to claim a place. Tianjin/Tientsin, China

# ? Dec 20, 2015 08:34

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

The Worst Muslim posted:

Any ships left? I want to claim one. My first choice though would be to claim a place. Tianjin/Tientsin, China

Literally thousands, but you'd have to check the list to figure out which ones have already been taken.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 08:37

ants on my cum rag: Sep 2, 2011; "Oh God you got the spray gun, DO NOT LOSE IT, you seriously better not screw this up, I'm not kidding"
~~The Battle Hymn of the Contra Tiger Mother~~

I claim DD Uranami if I can

# ? Dec 20, 2015 08:45

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

The Worst Muslim posted:

I claim DD Uranami if I can

It shall be done, _{once I get access to the spreadsheet again}

# ? Dec 20, 2015 08:50

fredleander: Dec 7, 2015

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Don't disrespect biplane torpedo bombers. Ask the Bismarck about Swordfishes.

I was about to say the same. Not only Bismarck - Taranto - a pattern for Pearl Harbor. Of course, like any other old torpedo plane at the time it was defenseless against a good fighter. Look at the Devastator, supposedly much more modern than the Swordfish and the Vildebeest. As much as the plane, in air torpedo warfare the crews were as important as the materiel, including the torpedoes. That said, what are the RN Vildebeests doing in the Philippines?

fredleander fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Dec 20, 2015

# ? Dec 20, 2015 08:54

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

fredleander posted:

I was about to say the same. Not only Bismarck - Taranto - a pattern for Pearl Harbor. Of course, like any other old torpedo plane at the time it was defenseless against a good fighter. Look at the Devastator, supposedly much more modern than the Swordfish and the Vildebeest. As much as the plane, in air torpedo warfare the crews were as important as the materiel, including the torpedoes. That said, what are the RN Vildebeests doing in the Philippines?

Britain had a lot of territories near the Philippines.

Also, Bismarck and Force Z had no air cover, Taranto and Pearl were surprise attacks.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 09:17

fredleander: Dec 7, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Britain had a lot of territories near the Philippines.

Yes, but in the scenario I refer to they fly out of Clark Field, Luzon. Quite uncommon for the British to use their resources for anything else than the defense of Singapore/Malaya.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Also, Bismarck and Force Z had no air cover, Taranto and Pearl were surprise attacks.

Yes? Taranto was as a night attack. And Bismarck was very difficult to find in the bad weather. Even then...

fredleander fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Dec 20, 2015

# ? Dec 20, 2015 13:43

HerraS: Apr 15, 2012; Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.

Since no one has claimed the USS San Diego I shall.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 13:48

lenoon: Jan 7, 2010

Fred, stop signing your posts - you'll get probated again.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 13:54

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

fredleander posted:

Yes, but in the scenario I refer to they fly out of Clark Field, Luzon. Quite uncommon for the British to use their resources for anything else than the defense of Singapore/Malaya.

Yes?

The Allied computer controls all allied units simultaneously, so that isn't too strange.

As for the second part of my post, its especially critical that they had a huge advantage in so far as they had no opposition from enemy aircraft. The biplane torpedo bombers get too much credit, in my opinion.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 14:06

lenoon: Jan 7, 2010

Remember that we romanticise the living poo poo out of the war, and there's nothing more romantic-heroic than the stringbags being flung against the Bismarck, and winning.

# ? Dec 20, 2015 14:14

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

lenoon posted:

Remember that we romanticise the living poo poo out of the war, and there's nothing more romantic-heroic than the stringbags being flung against the Bismarck, and winning.

And threads like this help us learn things, I'm just putting those Swordfish in their place :colbert:

Torbeau's for lyfe :c00lbert: