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Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Lincoln posted:

This has probably been brought up, but does anyone defrag hard drives anymore? I converted to Mac about 6 years ago for professional reasons, so no defragging since then. And SSDs don't get defragged at all, regardless of OS. Do current versions of Windows require defragging?

I usually do so at least once a month, or after a lot of OS/Steam game updates.

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AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
OSX also automatically defrags HFS drives, for the most part. Any file that's below a certain size threshold and is in fragments gets copied and consolidated as part of the opening process, for example.

hirvox
Sep 8, 2009

Lincoln posted:

This has probably been brought up, but does anyone defrag hard drives anymore? I converted to Mac about 6 years ago for professional reasons, so no defragging since then. And SSDs don't get defragged at all, regardless of OS. Do current versions of Windows require defragging?
Yes, but the OS handles it automatically. And while running defrag on an SSD before Windows had proper support for them was a good way to reduce the drive's lifetime, the latter versions are smarter and do SSD-specific optimizations.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

twistedmentat posted:

It was pretty cool, not to mention all the porn you wanted from the picture and video groups. Though eventually file sizes went so big that everything being split up into parts that were 1.44 mb each became silly.

Man, I wish 14-17 year old me knew about Usenet.

We had an ancient computer at my house when I was in high school in the late 90's. Some Gateway 2000 my dad got years and years before...386, 4 MB of RAM, a 5 1/4" floppy (and a 3.5", thankfully,) but no CD-ROM, no modem, etc...

So I'd frequently stay late in the school computer lab because it was the only access to the internet I had. I didn't try to get any porn, since the lab was monitored, but I'd go to early Abandonware sites and try to get old games, but I'd run into a problem trying to get them home, since all I could use were floppies.

I found some utility called "File Split" or something, that could take large single files and split them into multiple disks, and then re-merge them later, but that was hit and miss.

I imagine all the old greybeards on the Usenet forums would have done it much better than I.

V V V That might have worked, assuming I could get a RAR extractor that was less than 1.44 MB. I assume most of them would have been back then. V V V

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Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug
Among the other stops you are sure to make as a time traveller, be sure to tell your teenage self about ARJ and RAR.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Neat if you have 15 minutes to kill: bunch of computer scientists and engineers talking about their first computers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r4Cmwd_7vA

Technically, mine was a homegrown school computer back in the Old Country :tito: Just look at this beast:



code:
CPU: HD64180 (Zilog Z80 compatible)
Primary memory: 256 KB
Secondary storage: 3.5-inch floppy drive
Operating system: CP/M with ZCPR3
Display: integrated green monochrome monitor

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Lincoln posted:

This has probably been brought up, but does anyone defrag hard drives anymore? I converted to Mac about 6 years ago for professional reasons, so no defragging since then. And SSDs don't get defragged at all, regardless of OS. Do current versions of Windows require defragging?





Yep, I use 3rd party software to do both a defrag and an optimize on my file system every so often. Not crazy often but once in awhile. Obviously I skip the SSD, but my 7200 game drive and my 5400 general file drives it doesn't hurt to check once in awhile. My new 6TB drive hasn't needed a single defrag yet, but that 7200RPM drive is full of games and needs it once in awhile even on modern Windows.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

Zaphod42 posted:

Yep, I use 3rd party software to do both a defrag and an optimize on my file system every so often. Not crazy often but once in awhile. Obviously I skip the SSD, but my 7200 game drive and my 5400 general file drives it doesn't hurt to check once in awhile. My new 6TB drive hasn't needed a single defrag yet, but that 7200RPM drive is full of games and needs it once in awhile even on modern Windows.

Needs it in what sense? Is there some measurable performance difference?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Toast Museum posted:

Needs it in what sense? Is there some measurable performance difference?

Yeah, for awhile before I got the SSD I was running Windows and a bunch of games off that 7200 RPM drive and I could feel when it filled up, windows started taking longer and longer to boot and games took a long time to get started.

Now I've got windows on the SSD so that isn't even a factor, but it still helps to keep game load times to a minimum.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah, for awhile before I got the SSD I was running Windows and a bunch of games off that 7200 RPM drive and I could feel when it filled up, windows started taking longer and longer to boot and games took a long time to get started.

Now I've got windows on the SSD so that isn't even a factor, but it still helps to keep game load times to a minimum.

Hmm I should really defrag some of my storage drives.

On old tech stuff - I hit a jackpot. I like to do a lot of embedded electronics in my spare time, and my new job gives me access to a seemingly unlimited number of junked circuit boards from various appliances. Everything from passive components to LCDs, EEPROMs to more advanced Microcontrollers. Today's box of boards has maybe 30-40 ATMEGA chips alone!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

twistedmentat posted:

I used to participate back in the day in the babylon 5 and Simpsons usenet groups where writers from the shows would often post. You could go online and talk about the episodes right away and often the writers would pop in and talk about where stuff came from or just shoot the poo poo.

It wasn't just the global groups - Tim Minear used to hang out in uk.media.tv.angel when the show was on. I got in a row with him once, and on the next season of Buffy there was a brief appearance of a tombstone with my name on it. poo poo writer, poo poo showrunner, but a funny guy.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Peter David used to at least read one of the comics groups way back when. I guess he must've also posted because how would I know this otherwise :shrug: Not really different from someone doing a Reddit thing nowadays except less creepiness.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Man; I met my wife on Usenet. Knew her on there for like seven years or something before we semi-randomly met in person and hit it off.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Is "more knobs = better than" ever going to come back as a design aesthetic?

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Jedit posted:

It wasn't just the global groups - Tim Minear used to hang out in uk.media.tv.angel when the show was on. I got in a row with him once, and on the next season of Buffy there was a brief appearance of a tombstone with my name on it. poo poo writer, poo poo showrunner, but a funny guy.

That's cool. My only similar claim to fame is that Terry Pratchett once dissed me for having misunderstood a character's motivation.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Conversely, didn't JMS of Babylon 5 make a declaration he wouldn't post on Usenet scifi threads or read any B5 threads while the show was on the air.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



JediTalentAgent posted:

Conversely, didn't JMS of Babylon 5 make a declaration he wouldn't post on Usenet scifi threads or read any B5 threads while the show was on the air.

Any writer's or producer's nightmare involves claims fueled by "you totally stole my plot idea/dialog/fan-fiction to use in your show". There are definitely authors that limit what sites they frequent and their level of fan interaction because of that.

Lazlo Nibble
Jan 9, 2004

It was Weasleby, by God! At last I had the miserable blighter precisely where I wanted him!
Moby called me an "anal retentive gently caress" on alt.rave(?) for making fun of his pretending to play keyboards at his pretaped club gigs.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Jedit posted:

Tim Minear used to hang out in uk.media.tv.angel when the show was on. I got in a row with him once, and on the next season of Buffy there was a brief appearance of a tombstone with my name on it.
That's actually pretty awesome.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

flosofl posted:

Any writer's or producer's nightmare involves claims fueled by "you totally stole my plot idea/dialog/fan-fiction to use in your show". There are definitely authors that limit what sites they frequent and their level of fan interaction because of that.

When a celebrity (especially someone involved in the creative process) visits a venue, there's always a bunch of poo poo that ends up in a pile somewhere from people trying to "break into the industry." I've seen more than one agent specifically instruct the event's coordinator to just accept it all and then quietly dispose of it afterwards--this is specifically so the VIP never actually comes into contact with all the tapes, CDs, scripts, etc. that people drop off, for the above reason.

I was in a student group that hosted Bruce Campbell ages ago when he was touring to promote his new book and goddrat did he have a pile of poo poo by the end of it. I had to make multiple trips with a push-cart out to the dumpster just to get rid of it all. Glamour shots, resumes, VHS tapes, ring-bound scripts the size and weight of textbooks, CDs, cassette tapes--it was insane. An enormous pile of people's desperate pleas to be "found" by Hollywood, and they'd never know that nobody would ever see any of it.

About a year later, I guess Campbell announced some new project that sounded "suspiciously" like something on a tape someone had given us at the event, so I got a call from the university's attorneys. The guy that gave us the tape swore his idea was stolen, and I had to explain that I had personally thrown his dumb tape in the dumpster and that Campbell had never so much as glanced at the case it was in.

So, I'm not surprised that people keep their distance, because I couldn't imagine dealing with lawsuit after lawsuit every time I made something, with people screaming "THAT WAS IN THE SCRIPT I GAVE YOU IN 1993!"

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




flosofl posted:

Any writer's or producer's nightmare involves claims fueled by "you totally stole my plot idea/dialog/fan-fiction to use in your show". There are definitely authors that limit what sites they frequent and their level of fan interaction because of that.

I know that the head designer for Magic The Gathering literally stops reading as soon as something that even SOUNDS like a card idea appears, not matter how transparently not-serious it might be.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
David Lee, one of Frasier's show runners, used to post on alt.tv.frasier pretty often. That was cool.

Throwdown
Sep 4, 2003

Here you go, dummies.

peter gabriel posted:

So I just got a HOMO FLUX - It's a device for electrocuting each other in the name of medicine.

I've bought it as a gift for someone, fuckin odd thing it is.







I found a bit of info here:

http://www.nickandmorphia.com/

Apparently they are popular these days with pain fetishists, which I didn't know prior to buying it ha ha

From a few pages back but there was one of these at my cosmetology school 17 years ago, it was used as a skin treatment for... something, I don't remember. I still remember the smell though...

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

cheerfullydrab posted:

Is "more knobs = better than" ever going to come back as a design aesthetic?

"Come back"? It's been back for a decade already!



"More knobs = better than" is the mantra for all synthesizer nerds!

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

Laserjet 4P posted:

"Come back"? It's been back for a decade already!



"More knobs = better than" is the mantra for all synthesizer nerds!

I didn't know a piece of technology could make me this hard. I have no idea what that does and I love it.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

God created Man
And Man created Machine
And the Machine created Music
And the Machine saw all that it had done
And it said, behold.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Collateral Damage posted:

God created Man
And Man created Machine
And the Machine created Music
And the Machine saw all that it had done
And it said, behold.

This made me have nostalgia flashbacks to the Pandora station I used to listen to all the time. Whenever it was in the mood for electronica, it would play "Kathy's Song".

Edit: PYF obsolete and failed technology - "And on the Seventh Day, Machine pressed Stop"

chitoryu12 has a new favorite as of 00:11 on Dec 20, 2015

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Intoluene posted:

I didn't know a piece of technology could make me this hard. I have no idea what that does and I love it.

Enjoy this:

https://vimeo.com/97374616

http://www.idreamofwires.org/

W424
Oct 21, 2010

Intoluene posted:

I didn't know a piece of technology could make me this hard. I have no idea what that does and I love it.

It's a machine designed to convert money into retarded bleeps and bloobs.

rockinricky
Mar 27, 2003

W424 posted:

It's a machine designed to convert money into retarded bleeps and bloobs.

But when it's in the hands of someone like Greg Lake or the late Richard Wright, it makes awesome bleeps and bloops.

0dB
Jan 3, 2009

Intoluene posted:

I didn't know a piece of technology could make me this hard. I have no idea what that does and I love it.

It's a 'musical instrument' that will end up in more photographs than musical pieces.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
So, light pens, were they ever something in common use? You see them used fairly often in films in the early to mid 90s, probably because its more visually interesting than typing on a keyboard or clicking a mouse.

Though I have never ever seen them outside of of exhibits at museums and i'd not be surprised if they were used in drafting and drawing programs. I know their modern successes are drawing tablets which are pretty common.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Light pens died off as tablets became a more comfortable solution. The big issue was they are tiring to use.

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

WebDog posted:

Light pens died off as tablets became a more comfortable solution. The big issue was they are tiring to use.

This used to commonly be referred to as The Gorilla Arm Problem, and I feel that it still applies to things like tablet games and likely the Microsoft Surface.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


moller posted:

This used to commonly be referred to as The Gorilla Arm Problem, and I feel that it still applies to things like tablet games and likely the Microsoft Surface.

Hahah, my boss has a Surface and uses it soley to read the newspaper everyday at lunch. A bit overkill at this stage, but be amazed at his next feat of blundering into technology! He is by no ones computer literate, but managed to completely bypass the Newpapers' native app and winded up installing Bluestacks and then created a google account and download the android version of the app.

EDIT: Which now once he updated Bluestacks, went from a Free piece of software to 'Freemium' with either a subscription fee or offers for some pretty dodgy apps.

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spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

WebDog posted:

Light pens died off as tablets became a more comfortable solution. The big issue was they are tiring to use.

I'd say that they died off once mice became viable.

They were also hard to use accurately.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

A technology that became obsolete over a hundred years ago, and a particular instance thereof that failed miserably just now: I stuck a paperclip in one of the filing cabinet locks* in the sales office and it stuck, so I yanked it a bit and managed to pull out the core to see it was a wafer lock. The obsolesence and the failure in this case have nothing to do with each other of course, since you can make a wafer lock that isn't so easily bypassable (a tab on the bottom wafer holds the core in place so you can just stick any implement thin enough down there and shift it a bit to release the thing). Anyway, this is great news because I lost the key to one of the cabinets in my own office and now I don't need to break into it.

*) Because it fit perfectly :mmmhmm:

Fuzz1111
Mar 17, 2001

Sorry. I couldn't find anyone to make you a cool cipher-themed avatar, and the look on this guy's face cracks me the fuck up.

Toast Museum posted:

Needs it in what sense? Is there some measurable performance difference?
I will say this - hard drive defragmenters that not only make individual files continuous, but ensure that related files (eg: those in the same directory) are close together can definitely make a difference.

I remember getting acquainted with the 3rd party defragmenters that did this in the early days of counter-strike - the days before steam existed but when CS was popular enough that the WON.NET copy protection servers were quite overwhelmed (because they only had to deal with a few half-life 1 deathmatch players before CS came around).

It got to the point that the game would spend the majority of its load time authenticating with WON.NET and if your PC didn't spend the rest of the time hauling arse loading the map, then you would time out before the load was done, and probably find that the server you were trying to join was full when you tried again. Yes defragging definitely made a difference.

gently caress that was a poo poo - every time I patched half-life or counter-strike it was time for another defrag I'm pissed off just remembering this poo poo.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

chitoryu12 posted:

Edit: PYF obsolete and failed technology - "And on the Seventh Day, Machine pressed Stop"

The Machine said to her, "I am the ecstasy and the rave. He who believes in me will dance, even though he pauses; and whoever dances and believes in me will never pause. Do you believe this?"
"Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the DJ, the Son of Beats, who was to come into our ears." And after she had said this, she went back and called her sister Mary, and they twerked violently.

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Saw an interesting thing today that might class as a resurgence of an old tech.

Depending on your age you might remember 'coin slugs'. When I was a kid and moreso my father - the one kid who has a coin slug ruled the arcade and some vending machines with a counterfeit coin and some had ones on a string that didnt work as well.

From wikipedia:

quote:

A slug is a counterfeit coin that is used to make illegal purchases from a coin-operated device, such as a vending machine, payphone, parking meter, transit farebox, copy machine, coin laundry, gaming machine, or arcade game.[1] By resembling various features of a genuine coin, including the weight, size, and shape, a slug is designed to trick the machine into accepting it like a real coin.

Though slug usage is a violation of the law,[2] prosecution for slug usage is rare due to the low value of the theft and the difficulty in identifying the offender. Offenders in casinos are most likely to be prosecuted, as casinos have high levels of video surveillance and other security measures, and are more proactive in enforcement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slug_(coin)

Obviously now most machines can judge weight and electrical resistance of coins to tell fakes from real, but some devices do still exist that just need something of the right physical dimensions.

Enter my friends Nissan 370Z.

She proudly showed me this little fake coin the size of a $1AUD coin and I thought it was just a place holder for a spare CR2023 battery for the keyfob. But no! Apparently it's designed so you can take the slug out and put it into shopping trolleys/carts and luggage carts without the need to keep change on you. Now those carts DO refund you your $1 when you return it so not sure if counts as stealing. But I had a good laugh about my childhood.

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