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Electromax posted:8's gonna start with Luke's saber falling from Bespin and trace it to Rey, like the beginning of Two Towers. Star Wars has never done a flash back. I guess they could do it but that would be weird.
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I very much appreciated the little 'tss' noises when snow flaked would hit their lightsabers.
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Well I guess the PT is an enormous 6 hour flashback.
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Dec 20, 2015 00:57
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Besides balancing the force wouldn't the Republic make quick work wiping out any First Order after getting their planets blown up? Was also talking to a friend and his theory is that Luke may have molested Kylo Ren and that's why he's extremely hostile to everyone.
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euphronius posted:Star Wars has never done a flash back. Except, you know, in this new movie The Force Awakens
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:Except, you know, in this new movie The Force Awakens There was a force dream. Not a flash back.
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Zenro7 posted:Besides balancing the force wouldn't the Republic make quick work wiping out any First Order after getting their planets blown up? I thought the world-building was a bit weak there. It's pretty easy to guess the scale of a conflict defined as an empire vs some rebels, but we never really get an idea of who controls most of the galaxy in TFA.
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The movie focused on the characters full throttle. Even the tactics meeting at the end was just a stand up comedy act.
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Zenro7 posted:Would you guys want to see/Is there room for Thrawn in this trilogy? I don't know the rules for borrowing ideas from the EU universe. I'm firmly on the record as wanting Thrawn, he's one of my favorite characters from the EU. I think there's room for him as the guy they send in to take charge and clean up the mess from Starkiller Base being destroyed. With that said, I wouldn't want to see him as just the guy shown for a few seconds leading the fleet or ground forces in a battle though, as fun as it would be to see him shouted out I'd want him to be in there about as much as Hux was in Force Awakens, only acting as Snoke's right hand man and kicking Republic rear end. If we get a ground battle similar to Hoth where the best the good guys can hope for is getting some escape shuttles away safely, that's the sort of thing Thrawn should be commanding from orbit. If they're going to keep the First Order/Empire forces as the antagonists in episodes 10-12 then I'd rather they save Thrawn for that, a big part of Thrawn's appeal is that he rises above the imperial infighting and commands the loyalty of his men through sheer leadership, and I think there's room for a hardline military leader after the Imperial forces have seen two Sith leaders ultimately suffer massive defeats, assuming Snoke is Sith and he ends up dying by the end of episode 9. You have no idea how much I was anticipating having that big old hologram pop out and seeing Thrawn's big blue face staring at me, or even Thrawn in everything but name.
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euphronius posted:The movie focused on the characters full throttle. Even the tactics meeting at the end was just a stand up comedy act. Yeah, I guess all I wanted was a throwaway line in the opening text, or some boast by Hux during Nuremberg or whatever.
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All I gotta say is I really want to look closely at Rey's dream sequence. They packed a ton of imagery in there with a lot of hints about the recent past. And I only caught about half of it.
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Dec 20, 2015 01:11
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The resistance is operating as a secretly funded terrorist / militia group so I think you can safely infer that the republic is not meaningfully at war readiness of anything .
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NowonSA posted:I'm firmly on the record as wanting Thrawn, he's one of my favorite characters from the EU. I think there's room for him as the guy they send in to take charge and clean up the mess from Starkiller Base being destroyed. With that said, I wouldn't want to see him as just the guy shown for a few seconds leading the fleet or ground forces in a battle though, as fun as it would be to see him shouted out I'd want him to be in there about as much as Hux was in Force Awakens, only acting as Snoke's right hand man and kicking Republic rear end. If we get a ground battle similar to Hoth where the best the good guys can hope for is getting some escape shuttles away safely, that's the sort of thing Thrawn should be commanding from orbit. There is no way Thrawn or any other old EU characters will show up. There may be a character in there as an homage, but they would not be a blue alien named Thrawn. euphronius posted:The resistance is operating as a secretly funded terrorist / militia group so I think you can safely infer that the republic is not meaningfully at war readiness of anything . I'm also surprised they didn't have more throw away lines about the current state of the galaxy. ANH had a lot.
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Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed. With the support of the REPUBLIC, General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE. She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy. Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts . . . .
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Saw the movie again. Based on the flashback it seems that Luke is training the next Jedi as strictly peaceful. I.e. No lightsabers. Kylo obviously wants some lightsabers fun and (presumably with the help of Snoke - who I doubt is very powerful himself) builds a really lovely one and slaughters everyone (even his "Knights" don't have their own lightsabers). Come to think of it. Rey's staff obviously has a huge part to play. I just realised it could be similar to the non-lightsabers weapons that the Knights of Ren had. I guess Luke fled because A) he failed ala Yoda. B) he couldn't kill Ben Solo. I like the theme of even lovely Jedi and lovely lightsabers are powerful as gently caress amongst normal people.
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euphronius posted:Luke Skywalker has vanished. Uh, you posted it wrong 
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It's probably already been pointed out in this thread already, but I can't help notice the similarities between the music that plays when Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis in RotS and Supreme Leader Snoke's theme from The Force Awakens. Then I remember that Palpatine said Plagueis had the power to create life through The Force. Then I thought about how Rey was unnaturally talented with the Force and has uncertain parentage, just like Anakin. Luke needed to be trained, but Anakin and Rey seem to be naturals. Which makes me think that Rey being a Skywalker is a red herring, what if she's actually a "daughter" of sorts of Plagueis, created by the Force?
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Mr. Fortitude posted:It's probably already been pointed out in this thread already, but I can't help notice the similarities between the music that plays when Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis in RotS and Supreme Leader Snoke's theme from The Force Awakens. I have a friend that has this theory too, and I really think they wouldn't go there because - a) They are trying to stay away from the Prequels and anything introduced there b) It's universally acknowledged the "immaculate force conception" concept is stupid.
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Here's what I gathered: there was likely a coup on Coruscant/Hosian Prime (wherever the Imperials had set-up their government during the OT) that overthrew the Imperials in addition to all the other planets that revolted once word of Vader and the Emperor's death spread. That meant the Imperials were just a mess of military leadership, personnel and ships out in space that gathered without a place to call home but very much a threat because they had a lot of firepower at their disposal. The Republic basically told the Rebels "look, we need you to be our military until we get our poo poo figured out" which is the reason why 30 years later the First Order is still a threat.Medullah posted:I have a friend that has this theory too, and I really think they wouldn't go there because - I always thought Palpatine was bullshitting Anakin when talking about Plageus (though it could be the lovely acting, who knows).
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hobbesmaster posted:There is no way Thrawn or any other old EU characters will show up. There may be a character in there as an homage, but they would not be a blue alien named Thrawn. Yeah, I think that's certainly a fool's hope at this point, but even if they just bring in a thoroughly competent non force using military leader I'll be satisfied. One thing you may not have noticed is that the good guys have never lost a large-scale space battle in a Star Wars movie, or if they have I sure don't remember it. The closest I can think of is the attack on Hoth, and that's more of a ground fight. I think it'd be cool to see Hux, or Hux's boss, come in and lead the First Order to victory in a big space battle at the start or the end of Episode 8. Just give that guy the same talking up Poe gets as the best pilot in the Resistance, show him looking at a crazy tactical map and organizing an ambush, and I'm sated. It'd also put more stakes on Rey and her training, the Republic should be losing so that she's the big hope to come in, beat the emperor, and throw the First Order into chaos. I mean, if Palpatine hadn't died at the end of RotJ the Rebellion was pretty doomed even with the destruction of two death stars, he really was the glue holding it all together.
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Justin Godscock posted:I always thought Palpatine was bullshitting Anakin when talking about Plageus (though it could be the lovely acting, who knows). Uh, Ian McDiarmid is amazing and the best art of the prequels. His performances are excellent.
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Justin Godscock posted:Here's what I gathered: there was likely a coup on Coruscant/Hosian Prime (wherever the Imperials had set-up their government during the OT) that overthrew the Imperials in addition to all the other planets that revolted once word of Vader and the Emperor's death spread. That meant the Imperials were just a mess of military leadership, personnel and ships out in space that gathered without a place to call home but very much a threat because they had a lot of firepower at their disposal. The Republic basically told the Rebels "look, we need you to be our military until we get our poo poo figured out" which is the reason why 30 years later the First Order is still a threat.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:It's probably already been pointed out in this thread already, but I can't help notice the similarities between the music that plays when Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis in RotS and Supreme Leader Snoke's theme from The Force Awakens. One other thing that came out from a second viewing is how strongly both Kylo and Snoke react to "the girl" from Jakku. Maybe they know a bit more about her...
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Zenro7 posted:Besides balancing the force wouldn't the Republic make quick work wiping out any First Order after getting their planets blown up? I think Ren was handed off to Luke, and had huge expectations and lovely parenting tossed onto him, and his entire self-esteem became about following in Luke's footsetps and becoming THE Jedi. His needs are never really fulfilled by his parents, or Luke, and his frustration is fed on by Snoke, until he turns. In a way he probably feels more agency over himself on the dark side, than he did with the Jedi. It's also interesting how nice Snoke is to him, compare to what you'd expect from Palpatine. I don't think he's ever tortured the poo poo out of him. It sounds like he was avoiding training him completely, worried about what he might get up to if he fulfills his potential.
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Wank posted:One other thing that came out from a second viewing is how strongly both Kylo and Snoke react to "the girl" from Jakku. Maybe they know a bit more about her... Plus, the reveal of Rey being Plagueis' "daughter" of sorts would echo ESB. Poetry! It rhymes!
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MisterBibs posted:I doubt he literally decided to literally abandon his weapon; it was more of a "dude, no, I'm not killing you" thing. It was a spiritual battle for his father's soul. They were all dead anyway. That was the plan at least. He even says as much. "Soon I'll be dead, and you with me." His lightsaber was worse than useless. The Emperor cackled evilly when he picked it up. Did you see the movie? It wasn't about saiyan power levels: "this weapon is your life" fundamentally conflicts with "we are encouraged to love." There are people who say that Yoda is too powerful for a lightsaber. This is incorrect (and you're right about that) but it's incorrect because Yoda in the OT is too enlightened for a lightsaber, not too powerful. Watch what happens to characters when they lose their lightsabers. Star Wars is obsessed with those moments by the way. It's usually a moment of spiritual growth.
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I was chatting to some mates about this and one of them kind of pointed something out. I raised the commonly seen objection that there could've been a little more exposition here and there about how the new republic and first order etc work and that that might have made things flow a little better, and he pointed out that in all six previous movies any kind of explanation in movie were always retarded and they were better off giving the audience a cheap laugh than trying to build back story too much. Come to think of it, the stuff about midi chlorians, trade federations and everything else has ended up being dumb as hell. The whole; it's a huge weapon what else do you need to know? is probably for the best given star wars history. IanTheM posted:I think Ren was handed off to Luke, and had huge expectations and lovely parenting tossed onto him, and his entire self-esteem became about following in Luke's footsetps and becoming THE Jedi. His needs are never really fulfilled by his parents, or Luke, and his frustration is fed on by Snoke, until he turns. In a way he probably feels more agency over himself on the dark side, than he did with the Jedi. It doesn't need to be a big thing, it's pretty simple. A dude is conflicted because he doesn't feel anyone recognises his skillz, he's struggling partly because he's frustrated and closed off emotionally because emotions are bad and then here comes some powerful dude saying, you can beat them all by using your feelings. Your grandfather was so great because of his feelings. He didn't kill the emperor out of some good it was his anger yadda yadda yadda. Follows the rest of the fall to the dark side stories in a similar way. Pretty much with Vader's story we see someone desperate do something bad given an impossible choice and then out of the guilt and anger they fall further. Kylo is a pretty good call back to Anakin in a lot of ways. Obi Wan still gives him a choice before their fight but Annakin obviously feels theres no coming back from what he's done.
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While the theming and design in general was great in TFA, I been thinking about Kylo's helmet. Its loving awesome. First of all it cribs off the Revan design which was great in KOTOR, and it looks very cool in the movie. The voice modulation is great. But where it loving KILLS is the sound design & weight they lend to it. It THUNKS to the ground every time he takes it off. It stews in Vader's ashes. Kylo puts on this rock, feels the weight of his perceived destiny on him, and is afraid he is inadequate to the task.
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Poe and Finn just immediately bro-ing out was the best part and I hope there is more of it. The x-wing scene where Poe casually wrecks like 6 Tie fighters and some Stormtroopers was so, so good.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i assume he was some dude Luke trusted. i assume he may have worked at the academy. Yeah I'm wondering if he was staying on Jakku in a Obi-wan-role keeping an eye on Rey. I would love to see an extended cut or at least deleted scenes. I was hoping for a twist that Poe is a clone but nothing...yet.
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As a side note, since I had to sit in line behind people bitching about midichlorians: How often are they actually mentioned in the PT? Like, specifically named. I bet it's like three times, and about ninety seconds, max, of actually delivered lines.
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Saw this last night. Not a big fan. A few thoughts: Kylo Ren temper tantrums (really?) R2-D2 may never power on again.. he's stuck on low power mode (cringe) It takes Luke Skywalker many many months to train with Yoda to become a a decent fighter but Rey can just think of the Force for 10 seconds and all the sudden overpowers Kylo Ren? COME ON. BB-8's Skywalker map perfectly fits into R2-D2's like a puzzle piece. Give me a fuckin break. General Leia saying the word Snork was incredibly funny to me. They really couldn't give the main villain a cooler name?
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Nessus posted:As a side note, since I had to sit in line behind people bitching about midichlorians: How often are they actually mentioned in the PT? Like, specifically named. I bet it's like three times, and about ninety seconds, max, of actually delivered lines. Only in episodes 1 and 3 This movie openly embraces 'the force' being character armor / special powers Rey realizes she is a main character and she can escape her cell by controlling a 'weak-minded' tertiary character.
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Nessus posted:As a side note, since I had to sit in line behind people bitching about midichlorians: How often are they actually mentioned in the PT? Like, specifically named. I bet it's like three times, and about ninety seconds, max, of actually delivered lines. pretty much. its more that qui gon explains to anakin how the force exists which ruins the mystery.
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Nessus posted:As a side note, since I had to sit in line behind people bitching about midichlorians: How often are they actually mentioned in the PT? Like, specifically named. I bet it's like three times, and about ninety seconds, max, of actually delivered lines. midichlorians are dumb what would've made more sense is that stronger in the force = more midichlorians in the blood but instead they went more midichlorians = stronger in the force, which took a big poo poo on everything.,
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fromsinkingsands posted:Saw this last night. Not a big fan. Oh boy I'm excited to hear how dumb this nitpick is gonna be! Please elaborate.
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PostNouveau posted:The actress who play her, Gwendoline Christie, plays a fan favorite character on Game of Thrones.  that's Mara Jade'. Plus the Skywalker family coming together again would be a nice counterpoint to the disintegration of the Solo family.oddium posted:you're asking the same question han solo asks neo yoda and she tells him something like "that's a story for another time wink" 1) Who left Rey on Jakku (since Luke apparently stayed on his hermitage - with no other ship in sight, suggesting someone else took it and left). 2) Who gave Anakin's saber to Maz (whether Han never knew Mara had it, or he last saw Mara with it, who vanished with Luke). It could have been recovered by the Empire and then Palpy gave it to Mara to kill Luke with for poetic reasons, instead of faffing about with Luuke or whatever. Maybe she left it with Maz for Rey to find later? 3) She can provide new insights into Snoke & the Knights of Ren, if you have her going around investigating them while Rey was growing up on Jakku to try and whack Snoke.  Zenro7 posted:Besides balancing the force wouldn't the Republic make quick work wiping out any First Order after getting their planets blown up? Zenro7 posted:Was also talking to a friend and his theory is that Luke may have molested Kylo Ren and that's why he's extremely hostile to everyone.
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BlindSite posted:midichlorians are dumb what would've made more sense is that stronger in the force = more midichlorians in the blood but instead they went more midichlorians = stronger in the force, which took a big poo poo on everything., I'm pretty sure the former is the actual explanation but most people read it the other way.
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Nessus posted:As a side note, since I had to sit in line behind people bitching about midichlorians: How often are they actually mentioned in the PT? Like, specifically named. I bet it's like three times, and about ninety seconds, max, of actually delivered lines. They're not mentioned a lot but they undermine how the force is presented in the original trilogy. It goes from some mystical all powerful power to something your doctor would read to you during a physical.
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