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Vanadium posted:Rust moving from a mailing list to Discourse just about killed my interest in keeping up with the community. Mailing lists are bad, though
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Actually it's only mailing list aggregator sites that are bad
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Dec 20, 2015 10:49
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I still haven't figured out how to reply to a mailing list post having not being subscribed to the ML beforehand.
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Dec 20, 2015 11:08
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// General purpose variable public int[] temp = new int[1];
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Dec 20, 2015 14:31
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For thread comms?
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Dec 20, 2015 15:10
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Suspicious Dish posted:I still haven't figured out how to reply to a mailing list post having not being subscribed to the ML beforehand. Mailman will happily let you reply to a list if you get the original email by, say, being on another list it's cc'ed to. If the list administrator turned off the "let every internet random and spammer post to my list without joining it" option like you have to do in TYOOL 2015, it will also hold to message for administrator review if you aren't on the list in question. The administrators will then get daily emails letting them know about the mail message in the moderation queue. The other option, according to the web UI, is not getting any notifications about held messages at all. I think the workflow for your use case is literally "download a mail archive and forge the headers". In other news, mailman is dog poo poo and don't use it.
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Dec 20, 2015 19:42
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OK. So now before I can reply to something, I have to convince the list operator to install some third-party software to make the ML usable, instead of the usual traditional Mailman / MHonArc.
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Dec 20, 2015 20:24
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Wait, can you reply to Discourse threads without signing up with the site on the web?
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Dec 20, 2015 20:27
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The problem is not that you have to subscribe; it's that you have to jump through a bunch of hoops if you didn't subscribe before the mail you want to reply to was sent.
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Dec 20, 2015 20:34
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The answer seems to be "download a mail archive from a friend you know who stores mbox files, pull out the correct In-Reply-To and References headers, make sure your subject line is the exact same (plus the "Re:" that mailman strips out), and then write your email" To which I say, "how do I do that in gmail"
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Dec 20, 2015 20:44
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Suspicious Dish posted:The answer seems to be "download a mail archive from a friend you know who stores mbox files, pull out the correct In-Reply-To and References headers, make sure your subject line is the exact same (plus the "Re:" that mailman strips out), and then write your email" You'd think after to many years, Mailman had a way to send a command mail for "re-send me the original mail with this ID".
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Dec 20, 2015 20:50
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Pretty sure the mindset of people writing mailing list software is that if you want to reply, you should have been a member before the discussion started. listserv is the coding horror, I've never liked the idea of sending commands by sending an email to a special address. Email is for messages, not controlling software. 
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Dec 20, 2015 21:13
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xzzy posted:Pretty sure the mindset of people writing mailing list software is that if you want to reply, you should have been a member before the discussion started. What mailing list software doesn't let you subscribe or unsubscribe by mailing a special address?
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Dec 20, 2015 21:15
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Well listserv introduced the concept and everyone else is just cloning it, and I hate it. There was an argument for it in the 80's, but once we had the web everyone should have switched over to a proper user interface.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:19
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xzzy posted:Pretty sure the mindset of people writing mailing list software is that if you want to reply, you should have been a member before the discussion started. I've seen cases where my software is talked about, and they say they'd love for the original author to reply. But it's happening on some obscure mailing list I never even knew about. I usually email the guy who sent the message manually.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:41
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xzzy posted:listserv is the coding horror, I've never liked the idea of sending commands by sending an email to a special address. Email is for messages, not controlling software. Ftpmail was a godsend when I was behind a corporate firewall, before SOCKS came around.
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Dec 20, 2015 23:16
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instead of a bitset, or even an array of booleans, this code uses an array of integers which can have two values: either 0 or 201207.
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Dec 20, 2015 23:43
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Soricidus posted:instead of a bitset, or even an array of booleans, this code uses an array of integers which can have two values: either 0 or 201207. Is there a numerological significance or did it turn three years old last July.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:24
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fritz posted:Is there a numerological significance or did it turn three years old last July. I hope it's older than that because I really don't want to believe anyone was still targeting java 1.5 in 2012, but ...
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Dec 21, 2015 01:29
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Soricidus posted:I hope it's older than that because I really don't want to believe anyone was still targeting java 1.5 in 2012, but ... In 2012, I was helping support a Java application that had portions that still targeted 1.4. Any time I brought it up, I was told "it works" (except when it didn't), so "leave it alone". I left that job shortly thereafter, thankfully. Last I checked with my old coworkers, they still had the 1.4 code hanging around.
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Dec 21, 2015 03:02
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Soricidus posted:I hope it's older than that because I really don't want to believe anyone was still targeting java 1.5 in 2012, but ... Im not a java person but why do you think there aren't people still targeting it today.
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Dec 21, 2015 04:27
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My last job had a large Java 1.4 app that communicated with external companies (PII). Years later - now - they still use it and plan to never change... because the newer versions of Java don't support the really old, insecure SSL ciphers. To talk to any sane partners they use HTTP from Java to... a bunch of stunnel processes.
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Dec 21, 2015 05:13
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hardware horrors: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820quote:In A.D. 1582 Pope Gregory XIII found that the existing Julian calendar insufficiently represented reality, and changed the rules about calculating leap years to account for this. Similarly, in A.D. 2013 Rockchip hardware engineers found that the new Gregorian calendar still contained flaws, and that the month of November should be counted up to 31 days instead. Unfortunately it takes a long time for calendar changes to gain widespread adoption, and just like more than 300 years went by before the last Protestant nation implemented Greg's proposal, we will have to wait a while until all religions and operating system kernels acknowledge the inherent advantages of the Rockchip system. Until then we need to translate dates read from (and written to) Rockchip hardware back to the Gregorian format.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:52
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daft punk railroad posted:hardware horrors: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820 I don't understand what's going on here I am ready to believe that the current method involving a 400-year leap year cycle isn't adequate to keep the calendar correct wrt the Earth's orbit (because presumably nothing is, on a long enough timescale, unless you get to the point where you produce something that's good enough right up to the point where the sun expands and engulfs the Earth). But what rationale do a bunch of hardware engineers have for coming up with their own calendar system that doesn't match anyone else's? Why do they need a "more accurate" calendar? And why gently caress around with November, rather than February which everyone already knows is weird?
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Dec 21, 2015 11:07
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It's a defect. The comment is a joke.
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Dec 21, 2015 11:34
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oh. Well, perhaps I'm having a sense of humour failure, but IMO in a setting which is supposed to be for information, jokes should not be present. People reading patch notes, release notes, and other informational material should be able to assume that everything written there is 100% sincere.
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Dec 21, 2015 11:59
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I'd rather read that joke than "Some idiot that designed this hardware forgot that November only has 30 days, so now we have this patch to account for it"
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Dec 21, 2015 13:15
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Hammerite posted:oh. Well, perhaps I'm having a sense of humour failure, but IMO in a setting which is supposed to be for information, jokes should not be present. People reading patch notes, release notes, and other informational material should be able to assume that everything written there is 100% sincere. Beep boop too much humor; cannot compute.
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Dec 21, 2015 14:16
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Hammerite posted:oh. Well, perhaps I'm having a sense of humour failure, but IMO in a setting which is supposed to be for information, jokes should not be present. People reading patch notes, release notes, and other informational material should be able to assume that everything written there is 100% sincere. How is it like to be a robot?
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Dec 21, 2015 14:26
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Reminds me of a great line from the PostgreSQL docs:quote:The first century starts at 0001-01-01 00:00:00 AD, although they did not know it at the time. This definition applies to all Gregorian calendar countries. There is no century number 0, you go from -1 century to 1 century. If you disagree with this, please write your complaint to: Pope, Cathedral Saint-Peter of Roma, Vatican.
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Dec 21, 2015 14:43
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I just spent an hour trying to figure out why our code wouldn't compile on a colleagues system, turns out that at some point in the past he had modified the installed atl headers and added #defines to them that should be implicitly set by changing project settings. When he switched to a project that had different settings for these ATL options configured everything stopped working.
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Dec 21, 2015 14:57
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KaneTW posted:How is it like to be a robot? There are some settings where humour is not appropriate. However, the Something Awful Forums is not one of them, so carry on I guess. While I'm being a robot, though, use either "how is it" or "what is it like", but not "how is it like".
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Dec 21, 2015 15:25
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I can't blame you, calendaring is one of my triggers
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Dec 21, 2015 16:38
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Hammerite posted:There are some settings where humour is not appropriate. You must be a hoot to hang out with, haha.
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Dec 21, 2015 18:39
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LOL guys, look at that loser, we're way cooler than him.
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Dec 21, 2015 19:11
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Hammerite posted:Well, perhaps I'm having a sense of humour failure Perhaps! Everywhere I've worked has had humor in commit messages at times, especially when dealing with the ridiculous. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Dec 21, 2015 19:53
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sarehu posted:LOL guys, look at that loser, we're way cooler than him. This but unironically.
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Dec 21, 2015 20:21
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You wouldn't put jokes in a cancer diagnosis. You wouldn't put jokes in a message of commiseration to the families of the victims of a massacre. And git commit messages are far more serious, than things like that.
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Dec 21, 2015 20:24
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I tend to avoid putting jokes in my commit messages because the logs automatically get sent to a mailing list and my boss actually reads them. But jokes in comments? All the drat time, at every single opportunity.
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Your boss doesn't appreciate jokes? Man, that must suck 
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