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DeusExMachinima posted:I feel like this was supposed to be a 2 1/2 hour movie with some more explanation of what the gently caress is going on and Disney was like, "lolnope make it an even 2." Which was a good decision.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Sabers are unrealistic and trying to work with a weightless blade against a trained user with years of practice like Kylo should've left both main characters dismembered in seconds. Starkiller Base is a Weapon Sue
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Dec 20, 2015 21:01
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I thought it was an interesting choice by the filmmakers to go back in time and cast David-Warner-circa-Tom-Jones as one of the Imperial commanders.
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Josh Lyman posted:Jurassic World was a trash movie and its box office numbers just go to prove that people are dumb. Movies can be trash but still be fun. Jurassic World is one of those movies. Chris Pratt and his raptor bros hunting down a GMO hybrid dinosair is a hilarious concept.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:13
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"This weapon doesn't have any weaknesses except the giant glaring weakness presented onscreen but that doesn't count for some reason." Like seriously "it needs to literally destroy a sun and takes a long time to charge and if it isn't carefully controlled it literally blows itself up" is actually a weakness.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:14
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DeusExMachinima posted:It's entirely possible that what you're saying is true, but you have to admit the movie is really vague and fast-moving when it comes to Starkiller in particular. The fact that I'm not even clear if it's firing a beam through hyperspace at anywhere or actually going to the systems it's destroying should tell you that. I feel like this was supposed to be a 2 1/2 hour movie with some more explanation of what the gently caress is going on and Disney was like, "lolnope make it an even 2."
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Dec 20, 2015 21:16
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Lightsaber blades have the same mass as a three-foot long, inch-wide Carbon-fiber rod on Earth
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teagone posted:Movies can be trash but still be fun. True. However, Jurassic Worlds and its fans are just trash. Unlike this movie which is good and fun.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:43
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Abrams seems to embrace the idea that "hyperspace" and "warp" and "light years away" just mean "fast" and "far", it's the source of a lot of the handwavery in his Trek movies too, but Star Wars works on Flash Gordon logic anyway so it's no biggie.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:44
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Who said lightsaber blades are weightless? They're not literally made of light.
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Kurzon posted:Who said lightsaber blades are weightless? They're not literally made of light. People try to use real science and apply it to Star Wars, it never works
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Maxwell Lord posted:Abrams seems to embrace the idea that "hyperspace" and "warp" and "light years away" just mean "fast" and "far", it's the source of a lot of the handwavery in his Trek movies too, but Star Wars works on Flash Gordon logic anyway so it's no biggie. Yeah, worrying about that stuff is pointless in Star Wars. Rey's journey across that galaxy to find Luke isn't going to be some thousand year long Forever War journey, she just goes there in a few hours / days. This kind of story doesn't work very well if everyone you know and love has been dead for a hundred years when you drop out of your first hyperspace jump.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Starkiller Base is a Weapon Sue Honestly for something that engulfs the power of an entire star, firing a few FTL beams seems a bit underwhelming. It probably would have made more sense for plot and pacing for it to not suck a whole star but be tethered to it (like the Star Forge in KOTOR), and to have fired at Mazz(sp?)'s pirate base planet's star. You get a nice "holy crap" and the whole resistance coming in, lightsaber duel, etc. are all then under say a 5 minute clock for the shockwave to hit and wipe out the planet. Wiping out a whole government that wasn't properly introduced doesn't really work. But blowing up the pirate base's whole system as a test would have driven more action for the characters. Oh well.
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Old fogeys' opinion: dad really enjoyed it, mom got headaches from the 3D. She and I have real troubles with some 3D movies that we haven't been able to pin down on a specific technology or approach to it (I have a much better time with "pull background away" 3D than "push foreground forward" but either one can cause problems). Some work great for us, some cause pain, I just watch everything in 2D to be safe.
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MrMojok posted:Lightsaber blades have the same mass as a three-foot long, inch-wide Carbon-fiber rod on Earth Kurzon posted:Who said lightsaber blades are weightless? They're not literally made of light. If I remember correctly, the idea of lightsabers from A New Hope was that they were supposed to be basically weightless. But they had no budget for a fight choreographer (and the main fight was between an untrained older actor and a dude in a heavy suit and a tunnel-vision mask), so Lucas made up an excuse that the blades were actually really heavy. It's why Han visibly struggles with using the thing (and the relatively slow, boring lightsaber combat) in Empire Strikes Back. Flash forward to Return Of the Jedi, and Lucas realizes that "Dur, energy is heavy" poo poo is stupid as hell, and things get faster.
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Dec 20, 2015 22:31
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Weren't the prop sabers in ANH heavy themselves? As I recall, they were trying to make them practical effects at first, so they had a motorized part.
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I'm looking forward to Episode VIII: The First Order Stacks Up, and Episode IX: The Return of Giuseppe.
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Dec 20, 2015 22:55
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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Revenge of Captain Phasma.
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Just saw this. I liked it but it felt so rushed. Their space travel was so instantaneous that i felt no sense of scale at all. I loved pretty much every character but again wanted things to slow down and let things sink in before we rushed off to the next set piece. I'd call it a solid B and if the cast keep up the great performances and they can be a bit less fan servicey then I'm really looking forward to the next instalment.
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therobotking posted:Just saw this. I liked it but it felt so rushed. Their space travel was so instantaneous that i felt no sense of scale at all. I loved pretty much every character but again wanted things to slow down and let things sink in before we rushed off to the next set piece. I'd call it a solid B and if the cast keep up the great performances and they can be a bit less fan servicey then I'm really looking forward to the next instalment. Hyperspace travel has always been instantaneous in Star Wars. The only space travel of any consequence was Han and Leia flying from the Anoat Asteroid Field to Bespin; because they did it at sublight speeds.
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jivjov posted:Hyperspace travel has always been instantaneous in Star Wars. The only space travel of any consequence was Han and Leia flying from the Anoat Asteroid Field to Bespin; because they did it at sublight speeds. There was the trip to Alderaan right after the Death Star blew it up.
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computer parts posted:There was the trip to Alderaan right after the Death Star blew it up. They were in hyperspace for, what, a couple of minutes? That scene is not very long.
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Dec 20, 2015 23:28
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Watched this a second time and enjoyed it a whole hell of a lot more for whatever reason.
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jivjov posted:Hyperspace travel has always been instantaneous in Star Wars. jivjov posted:They were in hyperspace for, what, a couple of minutes? That scene is not very long. Uuuuuuh
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jivjov posted:They were in hyperspace for, what, a couple of minutes? That scene is not very long. It's all of the stuff with "let the Wookie win" and Luke training with the lightsaber, so it's not insignificant.
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computer parts posted:There was the trip to Alderaan right after the Death Star blew it up. Strangely there is a actual chart that says Tatooine is in the outer rim and Alderaan is a core world. http://www.starwars-chronicles.com/Hyperspace_Travel_Time.htm 96 hours.
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I'm pretty sure light speed in Star Wars takes just as long as the plot/scene needs it to.
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Crow_Robot posted:I'm pretty sure light speed in Star Wars takes just as long as the plot/scene needs it to. but my immersion
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Hollismason posted:Strangely there is a actual chart that says Tatooine is in the outer rim and Alderaan is a core world. The banner of that website says STAR WARS Chronciles: Infinities PBEM RPG so from a first glance I sort of question the credibility
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Lightspeed travel is never presented as very long. It's more akin to a bus ride than a plane trip. Aside from in ANH I don't even think we get any meaningfully long scenes with characters waiting for lightspeed travel to end.
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Thinking about Knights of Ren: I finally figured out what Kylo Ren standing with half a dozen guys with slight different armor/weapons reminds me of: Vader talking with the bounty hunters. Not saying that's what they are of course, but visually I couldn't put my finger on it until now.
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MisterBibs posted:If I remember correctly, the idea of lightsabers from A New Hope was that they were supposed to be basically weightless. But they had no budget for a fight choreographer (and the main fight was between an untrained older actor and a dude in a heavy suit and a tunnel-vision mask), so Lucas made up an excuse that the blades were actually really heavy. It's why Han visibly struggles with using the thing (and the relatively slow, boring lightsaber combat) in Empire Strikes Back. They explain the logic behind everything pretty well in this video (starting at 3:32): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIefj6dOhnM&t=212s
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Zodack posted:Uuuuuuh Okay, "instantaneous" was a bad choice of word; but travel time has never been a big deal in Star Wars. It takes this long: Crow_Robot posted:I'm pretty sure light speed in Star Wars takes just as long as the plot/scene needs it to.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Still mega annoyed though that the not-Empire apparently can either hyperspace entire planets on demand or Starkiller has an FTL anti-star/planet beam that can hit anywhere from anywhere. I mean, like, GG rebels. Also don't forget that if you look at the image of Starkiller base on the posters they've replaced at least 1/3 of the planet with machinery. It takes decades to outfit planets with hyperspace capabilities, they can't go shooting any old planet off across space.
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Star Wars is about pure movie logic. Lightsabers are cool looking laser swords so they are the best weapon, hyperspace takes as long as it needs to, etc. One thought regarding issues that came up in the last thread- Rey treats BB8 like a living thing instead of a slave. She rescues it from another scavenger, and refuses to sell to the sleazy guy despite being offered all the insta food she could ever need. It's an early sign that she's a good guy. Maybe droid liberation is gonna be a thing?
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One of the more understated things from the OT I really liked was how Luke was a pure dick to 3PO and R2 at the beginning of A New Hope but by the end of the triology R2 is like his best friend/strategist. e: Everyone still hates 3PO though.
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Crow_Robot posted:One of the more understated things from the OT I really liked was how Luke was a pure dick to 3PO and R2 at the beginning of A New Hope but by the end of the triology R2 is like his best friend/strategist. "You probably didn't recognize me because of my red arm" is the best line in the movie.
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Maxwell Lord posted:"You probably didn't recognize me because of my red arm" is the best line in the movie. Yeah that was hilarious. And adding onto my previous post I really dig that Luke kept R2 with him the whole way, even through all the new Jedi academy stuff apparently, up until his self-imposed exile.
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Crow_Robot posted:One of the more understated things from the OT I really liked was how Luke was a pure dick to 3PO and R2 at the beginning of A New Hope but by the end of the triology R2 is like his best friend/strategist. That's not true. Luke is nice as hell to both the droids. He doesn't even want Threepio to call him "Master." It's one of the main reasons Luke is so immediately likable: he treats his servants like actual people.
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