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Pablo Gigante posted:They showed a stormtrooper using a flamethrower in TFA so Owen and Beru probably got that I hate the flametrooper, but, yes, maybe they have been with us since the beginning. Maybe they have always been with us.
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Yeah I was kind of disappointed that Count Duku or whatever said " Well obviously we can't settle this with our knowledge of the force" right after Yoda just loving caught his force lighting.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:14
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Harrow posted:Soldiers are people, though. Like, I imagine if you were on an American military base mere hours after they get news that most of the United States had been nuked, it would be a topic of conversation, y'know? /shrug They'd still do their job. Also, it's a galaxy. The senate being wiped out would be like DC being wiped out. Not the entire US. We are both retarded about debating this, but I'm pretty bored.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:16
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cosmicjim posted:/shrug I mean, true, it's a silly argument. I'm definitely not saying they should all be a mess and totally distraught. But some sort of mention of what had happened, let Leia use it to make an inspirational speech, that kind of thing, would've sold the drama. As it is, it felt weightless. Also, it seemed like a lot more than the Senate being wiped out--it was at least one entire populated planet. Basically, I thought it was weightless and it came across as a meaningless echo of A New Hope's planet destruction scene.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:19
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Rey and Finn wouldn't have ever cared about the Republic at all up to that point in their lives. Also we, the viewer, don't care about it because basically all the action in Coruscant in the PT blew. It's basically telling us that even if they wanted to they can't bring back the senate motions and politics bullshit. Bip Roberts fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 21, 2015 01:22
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Harrow posted:I mean, true, it's a silly argument. DC is a big city. I was counting their population as well. Anyways, I think it has more to do with time constraints. An appeal or lamentations might be done in the next movie.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:23
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Bip Roberts posted:Also we, the viewer, don't care about it because basically all the action in Coruscant in the PT blew. It's basically telling us that even if they wanted to they can't bring back the senate motions and politics bullshit. It's not Coruscant that blows up.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:27
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Bip Roberts posted:Also we, the viewer, don't care about it because basically all the action in Coruscant in the PT blew. It's basically telling us that even if they wanted to they can't bring back the senate motions and politics bullshit. gently caress all this politics, man. We just need to revere speed, and violence, and the decisive blow.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:29
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's not Coruscant that blows up. Huh, I see, well they just blew up Not-Coruscant wink wink
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Dec 21, 2015 01:29
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's not Coruscant that blows up. Yeah that was weird, why not at least blow up a place we're familiar with?
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Dec 21, 2015 01:30
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Who else thinks that Max Von Sydow will turn out to have been an aged character from Rogue One, maybe even Mads Mikkelsen's?
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Dec 21, 2015 01:31
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I'm really happy that we have a strong female character and a main character who is black because Star Wars really needed it badly.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:32
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In my head I apologize away many of the lovely PT sabre battles where they don't look like they're trying to kill each other (especially the iconic anakin/obiwan twirly gif) by viewing it as if they are using the force to predict what the other is doing, so it's a lot of levels of pre-pre-pre-counter stuff. I imagine they don't even bother using force powers on each other because they know they'd be countered. This doesn't really explain why Kylo Ren doesn't just pancake Rey against a tree again. Does the lightsaber block force push? :P
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Dec 21, 2015 01:33
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When they had the shot of the crowd on Hosnian Prime looking up at the Starkiller plasma raining down on them they should have included a Gungan in the crowd. That would have kept both the OT fans and the PT fans happy! PT fans: yay they acknowledged the films! OT fans: eat fiery plasma death you Gungan fucker!
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Dec 21, 2015 01:33
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What did Yoda say in Rey's force dream? I got the Obi-Wan stuff on second viewing but that was it.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:34
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"Rey, Luke's your dad. Kylo Ren is your cousin don't make out with him"
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Dec 21, 2015 01:41
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I'm honestly hoping that Finn is the one who is the twin of either Kylo or Rey. gently caress it, it's space fiction, why can't he be one of their twins
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Dec 21, 2015 01:42
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Hazdoc posted:If the lightsaber duel between Rey/Finn and Ren happened BEFORE Han died, it wouldn't make any sense. Finn is still in his "run away from danger and take Rey with him" mode, and Rey still doesn't want to deal with the lightsaber or Ren. This is the vibe I got from the scene as well, and I liked it. Also, my reaction to the bit where both Ren and Rey go for the lightsabre was that Ren, even after just killing his dad, is still afraid of all the things Anakins sabre represents for him. He hesitated, while Rey just needed to get her weapon back. Reys personality seems to have really been molded by her time in the desert. Her confidence in her own ability to do whatever she needs to survive apparently works really well when it comes to avoiding the "Do or do not" problems of using Force powers. I hope she learns to temper that as part of her training.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:43
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Crow_Robot posted:Out of all the Star Wars movies, OT, PT, ST Rape slave Momma Skywalker is always the most "why" moment in any Star Wars movie. Way more than burned corpses or severed arms. Those seem like they're tonally in sync with Taun Taun guts but not that whole rape/genocide payoff.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:44
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mastershakeman posted:I'm honestly hoping that Finn is the one who is the twin of either Kylo or Rey. gently caress it, it's space fiction, why can't he be one of their twins I think this is better than Hollismason posted:I'm really happy that we have a strong female character and a main character who is black because Star Wars really needed it badly. What did it need badly? SJW moron. Finn's character felt dull after the first 30 minutes. All the reverse racists are rejoicing because they finally don't feel guilty about liking a movie that has a mostly white cast.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:48
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Jesus goons are worse than the prequel movies.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:50
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:I think this is better than Why am I a moron for wanting to have a film have a strong female lead and minority as a lead. That makes no loving sense. The last 6 films were about young men and their fathers. It's a nice change of pace. Same reason it'd be cool to have a gay character. Some people don't identify with straight white males.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:53
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:What did it need badly? SJW moron. Finn's character felt dull after the first 30 minutes. All the reverse racists are rejoicing because they finally don't feel guilty about liking a movie that has a mostly white cast. Oh boy, can we go back to pages and pages of people restating Plinkett's prequel reviews? That was way better than what's about to happen
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Dec 21, 2015 01:54
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Hollismason posted:Why am I a moron for wanting to have a film have a strong female lead and minority as a lead. That makes no loving sense. The last 6 films were about young men and their fathers. It's a nice change of pace. Same reason it'd be cool to have a gay character. Some people don't identify with straight white males. Umm did you see where they wrote the word "S J W". S J W, man.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:55
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What the gently caress is SJW.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:55
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress is SJW. Social Jedi Warrior
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Dec 21, 2015 01:55
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Hot Take. Poe Dameron will be gay. Why else do you think he has such a strong relationship with BB-8, his chihua-droid.
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress is SJW. A new droid. It'll sell crazy in two christmases.
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Dec 21, 2015 01:56
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress is SJW. Star JimCrowe Wars
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Hollismason posted:Why am I a moron for wanting to have a film have a strong female lead and minority as a lead. That makes no loving sense. The last 6 films were about young men and their fathers. It's a nice change of pace. Right, you'd prefer the film focus on this fatherless black young male and the struggles he faces in the galaxy. Also, Rey's character is good but not because shes a woman. Shes a well written character that has a lot of great scenes.
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Crow_Robot posted:Hot Take. I hope hes gay as hell and bangs the poo poo out of chewbacca
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Dec 21, 2015 01:58
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:I think this is better than Thanks for somehow being the worst poster in this thread. Congratulations.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:02
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I don't know what any of that has to do with being social.
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cargohills posted:Thanks for somehow being the worst poster in this thread. Congratulations. Yea, I shouldn't be criticizing characters by their on screen portrayal. Instead, I should be entirely consumed with what gender and race they are and then I should make my statement.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Yea, I shouldn't be criticizing characters by their on screen portrayal. Instead, I should be entirely consumed with what gender and race they are and then I should make my statement. You seem awfully consumed with gender and race plenty already guy
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S... J... W. Snoke... Jedi... War. My God, Zach. I think we're really onto something here.
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I just thought it was a nice change of pace.
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About Rey's mysterious background: Do you think Vader could have had any more children / clone baby poo poo after Luke and Leia? What if the Emperor had some diabolical scheme to "manufacture" more offspring from Vader, that product being Rey? This would both gently caress with Kylo's world as well as make her a sort of sibling to Luke and Leia. It would definitely fit - I think it's pretty much understood that she isn't Han's/Leia's offspring, most likely not Luke's offspring, and would bring a weird dimension to Kylo and Rey's conflivt, with Kylo wanting to be so much like Vader and Rey being much more like Vader due to being some sort of weird clone, but not wanting to be like him at all. It would explain her apparent power with the force, as well as why she was left on Jakku. Rey, being a clone of Vader, was left on Jakku by the remaining galactic empire and hidden from the rebellion so that one day she could be retrieved and used for their gain, but after so many lost battles she was forgotten about. Caeks fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Harrow posted:Soldiers are people, though. Like, I imagine if you were on an American military base mere hours after they get news that most of the United States had been nuked, it would be a topic of conversation, y'know? Not really. It'd be a topic of conversation a weak later, after we'd killed loving everyone and quietly waited to die out from the radiation poisoning that was the result of us murdering the world. Kill first, bitch later. Not like their super weapon wasn't charging again, you know? What sort of rear end in a top hat sits around crying about all the dead people when their entire job is blowing poo poo up so it doesn't make more dead people? Especially when the next batch of dead people is primed to include you. Hollismason posted:Why am I a moron for wanting to have a film have a strong female lead and minority as a lead. That makes no loving sense. The last 6 films were about young men and their fathers. It's a nice change of pace. Same reason it'd be cool to have a gay character. Some people don't identify with straight white males. To play devil's advocate the entire movie is the search for an old white man, who holds the power to shape the fate of the entire galaxy. The black man is also mostly incompetent, his main job in the plot being to ferry important lighter skinned people through their story beats. Also if you don't think this entire movie is about daddy issues, you might have missed some sub-text. Also some text, and some hyper-text. The main emotional beat of the movie is the death of another old white man, who was a father figure to one of the main characters [Insomuch as he shared her interests and validated her worth, and tried to support her in getting all the things she ever wanted out of life] and the actual father of another. poo poo doesn't get real until he gets dropped. The aforementioned death of world's doesn't even get much of an 'eh', because they have an immediate battle to deal with. Han goes down, and suddenly it's on. Nothing really changed all that much, the bar is just so insanely low on progress that slight improvement seems major.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Yea, I shouldn't be criticizing characters by their on screen portrayal. Instead, I should be entirely consumed with what gender and race they are and then I should make my statement. Nobody expects you to be, OP was just saying that he was happy to see a woman and a black guy in a film series that has 2 other major black characters and 2 other major female characters.
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