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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Right, you'd prefer the film focus on this fatherless black young male and the struggles he faces in the galaxy. Fatherless black young space janitor male who quits his job without notice, steals a company vehicle and falls in with a known drug smuggler while he's on the lam. Also he caps a bunch of his previous workmates, shivs one in the back and assaults his old manager. (I'm exaggerating for effect but some people found Finn's character to be problematic, especially that part where he turns out to be a space janitor and not an awesome Jedi warrior dude)
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:Right, you'd prefer the film focus on this fatherless black young male and the struggles he faces in the galaxy. Also, Rey's character is good but not because shes a woman. Shes a well written character that has a lot of great scenes. Her being strong and cool is made more important because she is a woman. There is a cultural context of women being dependent on men in action movies, which is sexist. Having more strong women in leading roles is anti-sexist. If every single action movie had men being dependent on women, that that would be sexist and films would need strong, independent men. You can't look at things in a vacuum.
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Runefaust posted:About Rey's mysterious background: He lost his testicles on Mustafar. The Jedi finally won that battle.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:(I'm exaggerating for effect but some people found Finn's character to be problematic, especially that part where he turns out to be a space janitor and not an awesome Jedi warrior dude) There's nothing racist about the black guy having been in sanitation, because he has already shown he is both moral and skilled.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:15
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blue squares posted:Her being strong and cool is made more important because she is a woman. There is a cultural context of women being dependent on men in action movies, which is sexist. Having more strong women in leading roles is anti-sexist. If every single action movie had men being dependent on women, that that would be sexist and films would need strong, independent men. You can't look at things in a vacuum. The movie directly talked about this when she kept yelling at Finn to not hold her hand.
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euphronius posted:The movie directly talked about this when she kept yelling at Finn to not hold her hand. I thought this was a little on the nose.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:16
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Rey being a woman made the moment she finally picked up the lightsaber even better to me.
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porfiria posted:I thought this was a little on the nose. It would be if they put it in the final scenes. But because it's right there at the start, I loved it. It really set the tone for Rey's character.
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blue squares posted:You can't look at things in a vacuum. Most of the film occurs in space so yeah, they were in a vacuum.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:17
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Poe Dameron was strong and independent. Finn needed him. He also saved the day too. No force powers needed!
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blue squares posted:It would be if they put it in the final scenes. But because it's right there at the start, I loved it. It really set the tone for Rey's character. It would have been ok if there were some character reason for Finn to be that way, but I don't think there is. I mean his boss is a lady; I get the impression the Nu Storm Trooper Corps is pretty universally misanthropic.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:18
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Most of the film occurs in space so yeah, they were in a vacuum. incorrect, most of it occurs in the confines of an atmosphere or a space ship. Although those planets and space ships are themselves within a vacuum. drat.
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porfiria posted:It would have been ok if there were some character reason for Finn to be that way, but I don't think there is. I mean his boss is a lady; I get the impression the Nu Storm Trooper Corps is pretty universally misanthropic. The character reason for Finn to be that is because that's pretty much how all men are, even if they have a female superior. The natural instinct is to protect the woman.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:20
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Finn is Luke from A New Hope, and Rey is Luke from Empire Strikes Back.
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Dec 21, 2015 02:21
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Roman Reigns posted:Social Jedi Warrior No, no, Sand Jedi Warrior. The main protagonists of every movie.
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blue squares posted:The character reason for Finn to be that is because that's pretty much how all men are, even if they have a female superior. The natural instinct is to protect the woman. There's a lot to unpack here.
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I also liked how starkiller base- instead of blowing up- turned into a new star or sun. Which you know is cool because Rey is a new . . .hope. When the sun went out Ren was at his strongest most evil. When the jedi win the sun returns.
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blue squares posted:The character reason for Finn to be that is because that's pretty much how all men are, even if they have a female superior. The natural instinct is to protect the woman. Yeah hes helping a damsel in distress which is "normal".
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loving sand people, am I right guys or am I right?
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porfiria posted:There's a lot to unpack here. Go ahead and start. Are you going to argue that men do not generally have an instinctual response to protect women in the face of danger? Because if so, lol
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I'm hoping Finn is a jedi also, because why not that would be rad. I also hope that the one prediction earlier in the thread comes true and Finn and Rey have some romantic stuff happen, if only to see the white-hot hatred come off of the worse people in the world in real time, on the internet.
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porfiria posted:It would have been ok if there were some character reason for Finn to be that way, but I don't think there is. I mean his boss is a lady; I get the impression the Nu Storm Trooper Corps is pretty universally misanthropic.
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euphronius posted:He lost his testicles on Mustafar. The Jedi finally won that battle. Do you need testicles to make clones in the SW universe? Edit: Another thing - is Galen Marek still part of the universe? Caeks fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 21, 2015 02:25
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Yeah it would. Honestly, I liked the film more because of Rey. We've already seen young man becomes jedi. That's why I liked the film so much. It felt new.
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Why are all Dark Jedi authoritarians, why aren't there any Sith libertarians/sovereign citizens?
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Runefaust posted:Do you need testicles to make clones in the SW universe? Frackie Robinson posted:Why are all Dark Jedi authoritarians, why aren't there any Sith libertarians/sovereign citizens? 
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Frackie Robinson posted:Why are all Dark Jedi authoritarians, why aren't there any Sith libertarians/sovereign citizens? Count Dooku. Then he found out what time it was.
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blue squares posted:Her being strong and cool is made more important because she is a woman. There is a cultural context of women being dependent on men in action movies, which is sexist. Having more strong women in leading roles is anti-sexist. If every single action movie had men being dependent on women, that that would be sexist and films would need strong, independent men. You can't look at things in a vacuum. I also appreciated that she rescued herself from Kylo Ren and despite being the standard damsel capture (thrown over the shoulder and loaded on the steam train) she faced off against him mentally and physically. On the flipside I'm quite glad that Fin's bluff created the attack on the Death Star. I'm liking the heroes being plot drivers this time around. Although ANH benefited from handing the heroes the attack plan for them to follow I liked that they had to figure things out in TFA. The movie could have used an ID4-ish "our missiles are ineffective, oh wait, fire into its green butthole" moment instead of a trench run. It almost feels like that's what happened when Poe flies through wreckage and shoots stuff in a cylinder but that didn't come across quite successfully. Edit: Hollismason posted:Yeah it would. Honestly, I liked the film more because of Rey. We've already seen young man becomes jedi. That's why I liked the film so much. It felt new. Also that she could express her power without an Obi Wan Kenobi to guide her but just drawing from a well within herself. Luke and Anakin don't get into lightsaber fights until they're far into training while Rey just taps in. It's badass in a way they weren't so it's not even a "just like the boys" swap but a new thing. Loving that. Ape Agitator fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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blue squares posted:The character reason for Finn to be that is because that's pretty much how all men are, even if they have a female superior. The natural instinct is to protect the woman. I don't think that's what happened at all. He witnesses her kick two people's asses, then she kicks his rear end. I think he wants to get the hell away from what's coming so he grabs her hand in a "let's go" way. Though her saying let go of my hand kind is blatantly getting at "i'm a strong independant woman and I don't need no man". Even so I feel that's made pretty obvious when shes shown out, alone fending for herself on what appears to be a really harsh planet. KakerMix posted:I'm hoping Finn is a jedi also, because why not that would be rad. I also hope that the one prediction earlier in the thread comes true and Finn and Rey have some romantic stuff happen, if only to see the white-hot hatred come off of the worse people in the world in real time, on the internet. Yea, it's really obvious that there's a romance brewing between Finn and Rey. I could see it turn into a friendship thing if another character gets close to Rey which would mirror the Luke and Leia relationship. I doubt Finn will be revealed to be a sibling of Rey this time. Him being black is pretty irrelevant, not sure why people keep bringing that up. I simply stated his character became boring to me after they get off "not tattoine".
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Force Awakens made $517 million dollars worldwide in its opening weekend.
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I said come in! posted:Force Awakens made $517 million dollars worldwide in its opening weekend. That's probably it's total cost with marketing and cinema cuts so it's all gravy from here. Although we have no idea what the cinema splits are for such a unique movie.
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I think it'd actually be a mistake to have a romance between Finn and Rey. I figured Poe Damerion was the romantic lead for Finn.
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euphronius posted:That's probably it's total cost with marketing and cinema cuts so it's all gravy from here. This is from BoxOfficeMojo, and is a list of all of the records the Force Awakens currently holds: Largest Thursday Previews: $57 million* Previous Record: $43.5 million (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2) Largest Friday, Opening Day, Single Day: $120.5 million (estimated) Previous Record: $91 million (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2) Domestic Opening Weekend: $238 million (estimate) Previous Record: $208.8 million (Jurassic World) Highest Per Theater Average (Wide Opening): $57,571 (estimate) Previous Record: $48,855 / 4,274 theaters (Jurassic World) Top Opening Weekend for PG-13 Rated Film: $238 million (estimate) Previous Record: $208.8 million (Jurassic World) Top Holiday Opening Weekend**: $238 million (estimate) Previous Record: $158 million (The Hunger Games: Catching Fire) Biggest Weekend Overall (Top 12 Gross): $294.5 million Previous Record: $266 million (June 12-14, 2015) Biggest December Weekend (Top 12 Gross): $294.5 million Previous Record: $259.9 million (Dec 25-27, 2009) December Single Day: $120.5 million (estimated) Previous Record: $37.13 million (The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey) Widest December Opening: 4,134 theaters Previous Record: 4,045 theaters (The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey) December Opening Weekend: $238 million (estimate) Previous Record: $84.62 million (The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey) Fastest to $100 Million: 1 Day Previous Record: 2 Days (Jurassic World) Global IMAX Opening Record: $48 million Previous Record: $44.1 million (Jurassic World) Domestic IMAX Opening Record: $30.1 million Previous Record: $20.9 million (Jurassic World)
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Hollismason posted:I figured Poe Damerion was the romantic lead for Finn. This needs to happen.
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euphronius posted:That's probably it's total cost with marketing and cinema cuts so it's all gravy from here. and since this is disney, they're going to keep pushing merch until we all choke to death on it at least i wont hear an obnoxious song all year long, though, unlike loving frozen
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I feel bad, but I think I disliked this movie more than the stupid prequels. I'm old, so I'm going to go on an old man rant. Kylo Ren had the most grating voice with his mask on. Then when he took it off, we were looking at what was probably the worlds biggest Star Wars geek who won some contest to be the next bad guy in the next Star Wars movie. I wanted him to put the mask back on because he looked like a huge nerd. This is what the son of Han and Leia looks like? Yeah, no. Not in a million years. The beginning with the Falcon chase reminded me of young Annie, it was only missing the "Yahoooo!!". They went over the top slapstick comedy for the first quarter and it drove me nuts. BB-8 was annoying. I wanted R2 the entire time instead. The story was about another stupid death star, but it's an entire planet this time. Han dying was stupid and out of place. I liked Rey but somehow turning into super Jedi in 10 minutes is stupid. Leia had smokers voice and it cracked me up more than anything else. The Falcon turret noises were wrong. Stormtrooper blaster noises were wrong. Grah. Wanted to like this so loving much, but so drat disappointed. I'll be that guy, I guess.
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Hazdoc posted:and since this is disney, they're going to keep pushing merch until we all choke to death on it Yeah, I want to know what the Force Awakens makes in merchandising. Some of Disney's top intellectual properties were making over 1 billion dollars in this area.
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I figured any minor changes in things like blaster gun noises would be because, like, they got new guns or changed their standard issue armament. You old fart.
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Runefaust posted:About Rey's mysterious background: I love me some clone theories, but I really doubt we'll see that tech brought in to explain Rey's origins, in fact it probably won't be an actual plot point at all, just something for Ren to joke about. But since I love clone theories, I'll go down the rabbit hole. The issue that clone Rey has (Reey?) is that we haven't seen clones with their gender swapped, or creating an offspring based solely on DNA. All we've seen done is putting people in the ol' genetic photocopier. That pretty much just leaves her being Leia's clone, which could also work because now you have a real nature vs. nurture experiment going on here where your "Leia" is raised on a desert planet. Maybe she was the one with the stronger force abilities all along, they just never got developed. She does track down Luke on Bespin, and she senses Han's death from across the galaxy with no, or very little, training. And for all the crazy family origin lines we could hear sent at Reey, "You're my sister" from Luke or "Genetically, you're my mother" from Kylo have to be the most absurd. Like I said I REALLY like the clone ideas because they just seem so off the wall crazy, but I just don't think they'll go down that path.
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