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Hollismason posted:I don't think Luke would make a plan involving killing Han. If he knew it NEEDED to happen in order to save countless other lives, I'm sure he'd shoulder the responsibility. Snape did not want to kill Dumbledore, but that was a thing. Maybe Luke is just mad his incestual fantasies were ruined by a smuggler that hit it and quit it.
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TheKingofSprings posted:E: Also what was the chest beating thing about? Stopping blood, psyching himself up? Sith feed on pain and anger, slapping an open wound would be like a force adrenaline rush,
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Dec 21, 2015 07:04
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Or you know, a regular adrenaline rush. Anyone else think Ben is a bit of a weird choice for Leia and Han? I would have thought they'd go with Bail. But then people who know who Bail Organa is are a minority I'm sure. Even if he is named on screen.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:08
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Arglebargle III posted:Or you know, a regular adrenaline rush. Destiny aside, if it weren't for old Ben Kenobi and his choice of cantina, Leia and Han would have never met.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:10
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Arglebargle III posted:Or you know, a regular adrenaline rush. Because of Ben, Leia met her brother and got to know who her real father was. Also saved the universe a couple of times because he brought Luke (and R2) into the fold. edit: oh yeah and Han.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:11
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Viller posted:This deserves to be discussed more. edit: I'd be willing to bet the Empire ran a badass propaganda campaign in addition to building huge space stations, so who's to say they couldn't gin up the hearts and minds of Imperial loyalists that spit on the actions of the terrorist Rebel Alliance 
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Dec 21, 2015 07:12
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It's not clear to me though at what point did Luke leave, like how much time has passed?
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If Kylo Ren doesn't die, brutally, at the hands of Chewbacca, it'll be a travesty.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:13
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Viller posted:Because of Ben, Leia met her brother and got to know who her real father was. Also saved the universe a couple of times because he brought Luke (and R2) into the fold. Oh yeah that makes sense.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:13
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Leia's relationship with Obi Wan Kenobi always was weird because it was never explained how she knew about him or if they had a previous relationship. Actually, they never meet in A New Hope I don't think. It goes - Rescue - Escape - Obi Wan Kenobi dies.
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Hollismason posted:Leia's relationship with Obi Wan Kenobi always was weird because it was never explained how she knew about him or if they had a previous relationship. Actually, they never meet in A New Hope I don't think. It goes - Rescue - Escape - Obi Wan Kenobi dies. edit: and I completely forgot that she referenced her father and Obi in the clone wars in Ep IV in her full hologram message. drat, it's late. Grey Fox fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 21, 2015 07:18
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Oh that's right I always forget that because to me the message is always " help us".
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Hollismason posted:Leia's relationship with Obi Wan Kenobi always was weird because it was never explained how she knew about him or if they had a previous relationship. Actually, they never meet in A New Hope I don't think. It goes - Rescue - Escape - Obi Wan Kenobi dies. I always found that the most touching moment of Obi Wan's death. He's sword fighting, looks over, sees that the gang is safe, and, hey, there's Leia - Sorry I can't say hello. I'm a bit occupied with my plan totally working - A brief glance at each other, and then he's dead. edit; word choice edit 2; I guess he's also glancing at Luke. That rascal! Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 21, 2015 07:28
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Arglebargle III posted:That's cool I thought you were being snarky for some reason. Watching this clip and the one where Dooku interrogates Kenobi shows there was an opening to really make Dooku a tragic character but the direction and acting is so bungled it's impossible. This dude is actually honest when he says the Republic is irretrievably corrupt, the Jedi Order can't see what's going on, and he needs help in taking down Palpatine (who he's evidently ambivalent about even if he's being trained by him). Christopher Lee is kinda sadly flat in both of his appearances, and gets disposed of pretty quickly (though memorably) in ROTS. Also because his name is ludicrously stupid, even by Star Wars, its hard to take him seriously.
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Hollismason posted:It's not clear to me though at what point did Luke leave, like how much time has passed? it wasnt made especially clear but Kylo would have had to been old enough to pull off his slaughter, and in the flashback surrounded by bodies he was fully grown, so even if he was an early bloomer thats 15+ years after endor (depending on when Han and Leia got frisky but if death star fireworks dont set the mood not much will). So roughly.. 1 to 1.5 decades about? Spaceman Future! fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Dec 21, 2015 07:34
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Arglebargle III posted:Or you know, a regular adrenaline rush. I think it was just the name of a janitor at the hospital where Han and Leia had him
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Dec 21, 2015 07:37
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I'm wondering if Disney is going to remake the prequels and then re-touchup the special edition original movies to fit in line with them. Star Wars is never going to stop and they are going to need as much material as they can to keep the money furnaces going. Seems to me that redoing the prequels is completely safe, nuke them and start over. Going this route comes with a poo poo-ton of drama by default that could probably turn into a massive ball of hype maybe even rivaling TFA, and you get three guaranteed blockbusters that most people will claim are fantastic over their replacements. It's like weird inverse of how Hollywood remakes classics like Robocop or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in that I can't possibly see how they could fail.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:38
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Spoeank posted:I think it was just the name of a janitor at the hospital where Han and Leia had him "You delivered our baby! Thank you so much doctor, we dont even know your name! What wing do you work in?!" "Sanitation" e. KakerMix posted:I'm wondering if Disney is going to remake the prequels and then re-touchup the special edition original movies to fit in line with them. Star Wars is never going to stop and they are going to need as much material as they can to keep the money furnaces going. Seems to me that redoing the prequels is completely safe, nuke them and start over. Going this route comes with a poo poo-ton of drama by default that could probably turn into a massive ball of hype maybe even rivaling TFA, and you get three guaranteed blockbusters that most people will claim are fantastic over their replacements. remaking the prequels is wierd but they do have the entirety of history before them to work with, Old Republic stuff could be really cool.
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I doubt they'll remake the prequels, because while there is a decent story to salvage it is a ton of work and way riskier than exploring new ground and just pretending they didn't happen.
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So with the First Order openly attacking the Republic, the next movie should just have two factions now right? No more need for secret resistances and all that crap, just Republic vs. First Order I hope.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:42
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Wank posted:One other interesting thing is that all of the First Order are very young. Either they can only recruit people who don't remember the Galactic Civil War or said war completely wiped out a generation of people sympathetic to them. The Palpatine Youth moment was quite successful.
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Hollismason posted:It's not clear to me though at what point did Luke leave, like how much time has passed? There has not been anything that specific, but "The Star Wars sequel trilogy is an upcoming film trilogy that begins approximately thirty years after the ending of Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi." So, there's the start of things progressing. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sequel_trilogy
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I can't get over how great Daisy Ridley's performance is in this movie. There were so many great acting moments or great deliveries of lines. Here's some off the top of my head: -The look of anger on her face when she yells at the alien to release BB-8 -The goofy moment of her chomping away at her dinner and popping the X wing helmet on her head -"Luke Skywalker?! I thought he was a myth!" -"That one is garbage!" -"I bypassed the motivator!" -"Afraid.......that you'll never be as powerful as DARTH VADER!" -That look of fear on her face when Ren holds his saber up to her neck. There are quite a few others but daaaaaamn does she just ooze charisma.
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Mahoning posted:I can't get over how great Daisy Ridley's performance is in this movie. There were so many great acting moments or great deliveries of lines. Here's some off the top of my head: Agree, she completely sold me on her role as soon as she put on that Rogue pilot helmet and acted a little goofy after being so tough the whole scene before. Ridley rules.
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Bottom Liner posted:Agree, she completely sold me on her role as soon as she put on that Rogue pilot helmet and acted a little goofy after being so tough the whole scene before. Ridley rules. That sequence's bread making moment delighted me way more than it should have. It was such a nice special effects grace note. Also, homemade rebel pilot doll on her shelf.
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What would be kind of a cool way to play with the old prophecy is if Luke is in fact the last Jedi, but that doesn't mean you can't have some other new group that also has cool lightsabers and a noble purpose and secular Buddhism and stuff. At the same time, "the Jedi" are a pretty fixed object in culture now, so they'd really have to have a big run-up to it. But maybe they laid some groundwork here.
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Mahoning posted:I can't get over how great Daisy Ridley's performance is in this movie. There were so many great acting moments or great deliveries of lines. Here's some off the top of my head: Her stare of helpless anger at fat junker guy who was ripping her off was pretty good too. Ridley emotes really well and says a lot without any spoken dialogue.
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First viewing, when Rey looks at the old woman cleaning some part, I though she was studying the woman's cleaning technique or trying to figure out if the part was special. On second viewing, I realize Rey's simply thinking, "poo poo, is that me in a few decades?"
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Chappers posted:On second viewing, I realize Rey's simply thinking, "poo poo, is that me in a few decades?" Yeah, that was a great little moment.
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I liked the little x-wing pilot doll in Rey's room
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There's also the direct parallels of Rey being a lowly subsistence farmer on a desert planet and longing to be a part of the resistance. There's no way she's not she-Luke.
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I don't know why, but my favorite part of Rey's day to day on Jakku was the scene where she makes bread for her weird gummy rations. Its the little things in this movie that are sticking with me.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I don't know why, but my favorite part of Rey's day to day on Jakku was the scene where she makes bread for her weird gummy rations. Its the little things in this movie that are sticking with me. I dunno man, maybe it's because I do a lot of baking in real life, but that bread was a more legit 'HOLY poo poo SCIENCE FICTION' moment for me than nearly any sci-fi film for decades. Like, that poo poo was technomagical.
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Chappers posted:First viewing, when Rey looks at the old woman cleaning some part, I though she was studying the woman's cleaning technique or trying to figure out if the part was special. On second viewing, I realize Rey's simply thinking, "poo poo, is that me in a few decades?" That's exactly how it went for me too. First viewing I was just like huh that was weird, second I was like oh wait of course a vision of the dark future awaiting her. They found a drat fine actor in Daisy, and all of the new younger cast were really good. I can't pick a fave between Daisy and Boyega, so I'll just put them both in the #1 spot and put Driver at a fairly close second place. Doctor Spaceman posted:Apparently Poe died in an earlier version of the script? Yep, the first plan was for him to die in the tie fighter crash, but they liked Isaac so they gave him more to do later. That's why he just pops up at the first big fight with no explanation, and when he's asked how he survived he just says "I got ejected somewhere else, woke up that night, made my way back to the resistance." Hell of an ejector to pop him straight out of his jacket. They made the right call, and it would've been a bit odd to do his story another way since it's a decent surprise to see him pop back from the dead and dust 10 ties and 5 stormtroopers in literally 30 seconds. Aaronicon posted:I dunno man, maybe it's because I do a lot of baking in real life, but that bread was a more legit 'HOLY poo poo SCIENCE FICTION' moment for me than nearly any sci-fi film for decades. Like, that poo poo was technomagical. I flipped out a bit over the bread quite a bit when I saw it the first time. It's just one of many nice little touches that they can do now that they have the tech to do basically anything using CGI, practical effects, or a combo of the two. It's crazy Star Wars technology, of course they have instant bread from a pouch. I also really loved the lightsaber effects, yes giving off light won't match with previous movies but here's the thing, I don't care about that at all because it's rad as hell, and then they even have snowflakes instantly melting on them and crazy sparks when they hit each other and I'm just grinning like a kid. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Dec 21, 2015 |
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Invalid Validation posted:I could definitely see them running Kylo through a redemption arc. I can't really see Kylo ending up in any position to keep his arms connected to his body, redeemed or not, in a universe where Chewie's still alive.
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Was there any sort of canon reason the Resistance wasnt using Y-Wings (which are heavy loving bombers) to bomb the Starkiller Base or are X-Wings multi purpose now?
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dmboogie posted:I can't really see Kylo ending up in any position to keep his arms connected to his body, redeemed or not, in a universe where Chewie's still alive. Kylo being the guy to finally get an arm ripped off by Chewie would be great, even better if he just comes back with a robotic arm. I hadn't really thought of it before, but Chewie's arc will be interesting in episodes 8 and 9. I expect he'll just cruise around with Rey, but you would think that he'd be out to avenge Han, even if the guy who killed him was Han's son.' I'd have to imagine he's the next most likely major character to die, though I could see R2D2 being a casualty as well. I don't think we'll make it two more movies without someone else we care about dying. It wouldn't make sense for the character, but it would have been hilarious if as soon as Han died he just dropped everything, went back to the Falcon, and flew straight back to his home since the life debt was up and he takes that poo poo literally.
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SalTheBard posted:Was there any sort of canon reason the Resistance wasnt using Y-Wings (which are heavy loving bombers) to bomb the Starkiller Base or are X-Wings multi purpose now? Y-Wings were already outdated by the end of the Clone Wars. The only reason the Rebellion used them is because they were cheap and (relatively) reliable. The X-Wings were always meant to be their replacement, being as-good a bomber but massively more competent as a general fighter role (and then were replaced in that role largely by A-Wings, and then the bombing duties shifting over to the B-Wing, so I guess the real question is why didn't we see those, although again we only see what the Resistance uses, not the Republic, so who knows.)
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SalTheBard posted:Was there any sort of canon reason the Resistance wasnt using Y-Wings (which are heavy loving bombers) to bomb the Starkiller Base or are X-Wings multi purpose now? The republic fleet was mentioned once or twice, in some of the Force Awakens books it is mentioned that the Resistance was a private militia, smaller and faster to react to events since Leia felt the Republic could take too long to respond to a crisis. I'm sure the republic wasn't 100% disarmed but the "big fleet" was thrown into disarray when starkiller base exploded their HQ. I heard rumblings of a larger fleet battle in an earlier version of the story, I wonder if it got caught because JJ felt it wasn't critical to the key story.
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